Burning the flag
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Surely banning flag burning will put thousands of flag makers out of work - who's thinking of them ;P Sorry, it just seems too silly to care about, it's just a flag. My curiosity begs the question though, is this really a contentious issue in the US? Rhys A bus station is where a bus stops. A train station is where a train stops. On my desk I have a workstation... Vampireware /n/, a project, capable of sucking the lifeblood out of anyone unfortunate enough to be assigned to it, which never actually sees the light of day, but nonetheless refuses to die.
Rhys666 wrote: My curiosity begs the question though, is this really a contentious issue in the US? I haven't heard anyone talking about it recently, though it was a minor topic some years back. My concern really is the time officials waste on this type of crap. BW
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`The Congress shall have power to prohibit the physical desecration of the flag of the United States.'. http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/D?c109:1:./temp/~c109cUZ6FB::[^] [edit]link is temporary...try searching for H. J. RES. 10 at http://thomas.loc.gov/[^] [/edit] This proposed Constitutional Amendment has been around for years, but I think this was the first time it made through the house. I think it's absurd. If someone wants to burn a flag, go ahead. This amendment, in my eyes, is the same as saying it is unconstitutional to say "America sucks". Am I missing something, should this pass? Any other countries have laws prohibiting the desecration of their flag? BW
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:laugh: BW
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`The Congress shall have power to prohibit the physical desecration of the flag of the United States.'. http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/D?c109:1:./temp/~c109cUZ6FB::[^] [edit]link is temporary...try searching for H. J. RES. 10 at http://thomas.loc.gov/[^] [/edit] This proposed Constitutional Amendment has been around for years, but I think this was the first time it made through the house. I think it's absurd. If someone wants to burn a flag, go ahead. This amendment, in my eyes, is the same as saying it is unconstitutional to say "America sucks". Am I missing something, should this pass? Any other countries have laws prohibiting the desecration of their flag? BW
All the chickens get it.
And them singing canaries get it.
Even strawberries get it.From my understanding, this bill always makes it through the House, but dies in the Senate. I certainly hope that is the case this year as well. I'd much rather some idiot protestor burn and/or pee on some cloth than have our government defacate on what it's supposed to stand for...
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From my understanding, this bill always makes it through the House, but dies in the Senate. I certainly hope that is the case this year as well. I'd much rather some idiot protestor burn and/or pee on some cloth than have our government defacate on what it's supposed to stand for...
Russell Morris wrote: this bill always makes it through the House, but dies in the Senate. Yes, you're right. I just read that. Hope the same happens again this time. BW
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The flag, when it is in such condition that it is no longer a fitting emblem for display, should be destroyed in a dignified way, preferably by burning -- US Flag Code. TITLE 4. CHAPTER 1. Sec. 8(k)
http://straylight.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode04/usc_sec_04_00000008----000-.html[^] some other good parts:
(d) The flag should never be used as wearing apparel, bedding, or drapery. (g)The flag should never have placed upon it, nor on any part of it, nor attached to it any mark, insignia, letter, word, figure, design, picture, or drawing of any nature. (i)The flag should never be used for advertising purposes in any manner whatsoever. It should not be embroidered on such articles as cushions or handkerchiefs and the like, printed or otherwise impressed on paper napkins or boxes or anything that is designed for temporary use and discard.
Chris Losinger wrote: The flag should never be used as wearing apparel You mean like in those pictures of Uncle Sam ? The tigress is here :-D
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`The Congress shall have power to prohibit the physical desecration of the flag of the United States.'. http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/D?c109:1:./temp/~c109cUZ6FB::[^] [edit]link is temporary...try searching for H. J. RES. 10 at http://thomas.loc.gov/[^] [/edit] This proposed Constitutional Amendment has been around for years, but I think this was the first time it made through the house. I think it's absurd. If someone wants to burn a flag, go ahead. This amendment, in my eyes, is the same as saying it is unconstitutional to say "America sucks". Am I missing something, should this pass? Any other countries have laws prohibiting the desecration of their flag? BW
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Chris Losinger wrote: The flag should never be used as wearing apparel You mean like in those pictures of Uncle Sam ? The tigress is here :-D
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When I was young I had some of these items (I won't say which ones). I don't remember having anything with my national flag on it :suss:
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it's limiting democracy one step at the time... (I'll probably get flamed for this ;-)) No hurries, no worries.
(no flaming here) I totally agree! What's next, making abortion illegal (now I'LL probably get flamed for this one he he). Brian Van Beek My Blog is Awesome, ok maybe not, but is still fun!!
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`The Congress shall have power to prohibit the physical desecration of the flag of the United States.'. http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/D?c109:1:./temp/~c109cUZ6FB::[^] [edit]link is temporary...try searching for H. J. RES. 10 at http://thomas.loc.gov/[^] [/edit] This proposed Constitutional Amendment has been around for years, but I think this was the first time it made through the house. I think it's absurd. If someone wants to burn a flag, go ahead. This amendment, in my eyes, is the same as saying it is unconstitutional to say "America sucks". Am I missing something, should this pass? Any other countries have laws prohibiting the desecration of their flag? BW
All the chickens get it.
And them singing canaries get it.
Even strawberries get it.Actually, it is more general in scope than just burning, and does not itself prohibit anything. Intsead it would give congress the power to do so if approved. IMO the very idea of Congress proposing Constitutional ammendments to give itself additional powers - of any kind - is offensive. It is unlikely to get by the Senate, and even less likely to be ratified by 3/4 of the state legislatures. Absolute faith corrupts as absolutely as absolute power Eric Hoffer The opposite of the religious fanatic is not the fanatical atheist but the gentle cynic who cares not whether there is a god or not. Eric Hoffer
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`The Congress shall have power to prohibit the physical desecration of the flag of the United States.'. http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/D?c109:1:./temp/~c109cUZ6FB::[^] [edit]link is temporary...try searching for H. J. RES. 10 at http://thomas.loc.gov/[^] [/edit] This proposed Constitutional Amendment has been around for years, but I think this was the first time it made through the house. I think it's absurd. If someone wants to burn a flag, go ahead. This amendment, in my eyes, is the same as saying it is unconstitutional to say "America sucks". Am I missing something, should this pass? Any other countries have laws prohibiting the desecration of their flag? BW
All the chickens get it.
And them singing canaries get it.
Even strawberries get it.brianwelsch wrote: I think it's absurd. If someone wants to burn a flag, go ahead. This amendment, in my eyes, is the same as saying it is unconstitutional to say "America sucks". Although I despise people who would do this, I believe in something more important, The First Amendment. The right to freedom of expression applies to everyone, even those whose opinions differ. -Sean ---- Shag a Lizard
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brianwelsch wrote: I think it's absurd. If someone wants to burn a flag, go ahead. This amendment, in my eyes, is the same as saying it is unconstitutional to say "America sucks". Although I despise people who would do this, I believe in something more important, The First Amendment. The right to freedom of expression applies to everyone, even those whose opinions differ. -Sean ---- Shag a Lizard
Very very true... Brian Van Beek My Blog is Awesome, ok maybe not, but is still fun!!
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`The Congress shall have power to prohibit the physical desecration of the flag of the United States.'. http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/D?c109:1:./temp/~c109cUZ6FB::[^] [edit]link is temporary...try searching for H. J. RES. 10 at http://thomas.loc.gov/[^] [/edit] This proposed Constitutional Amendment has been around for years, but I think this was the first time it made through the house. I think it's absurd. If someone wants to burn a flag, go ahead. This amendment, in my eyes, is the same as saying it is unconstitutional to say "America sucks". Am I missing something, should this pass? Any other countries have laws prohibiting the desecration of their flag? BW
All the chickens get it.
And them singing canaries get it.
Even strawberries get it.brianwelsch wrote: Any other countries have laws prohibiting the desecration of their flag? Yeah, in India desecration of the flag is a criminal offence. "One of the Georges," said Psmith, "I forget which, once said that a certain number of hours' sleep a day--I cannot recall for the moment how many--made a man something, which for the time being has slipped my memory."
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brianwelsch wrote: Any other countries have laws prohibiting the desecration of their flag? Yeah, in India desecration of the flag is a criminal offence. "One of the Georges," said Psmith, "I forget which, once said that a certain number of hours' sleep a day--I cannot recall for the moment how many--made a man something, which for the time being has slipped my memory."
In Brazil too. But as any other criminal offence in Brazil, no one cares.:) Rui A. Rebelo Caminante no hay camino. El camino se hace nel caminar. Frederico Garcia-Lorca
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`The Congress shall have power to prohibit the physical desecration of the flag of the United States.'. http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/D?c109:1:./temp/~c109cUZ6FB::[^] [edit]link is temporary...try searching for H. J. RES. 10 at http://thomas.loc.gov/[^] [/edit] This proposed Constitutional Amendment has been around for years, but I think this was the first time it made through the house. I think it's absurd. If someone wants to burn a flag, go ahead. This amendment, in my eyes, is the same as saying it is unconstitutional to say "America sucks". Am I missing something, should this pass? Any other countries have laws prohibiting the desecration of their flag? BW
All the chickens get it.
And them singing canaries get it.
Even strawberries get it.There shouldn't be an amendment to ban flag burning. But than, the supreme court should never have outlawed a state (or community's) right to ban any such form of expression they deem appropriate. "Capitalism is the source of all true freedom."
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brianwelsch wrote: I think it's absurd. If someone wants to burn a flag, go ahead. This amendment, in my eyes, is the same as saying it is unconstitutional to say "America sucks". Although I despise people who would do this, I believe in something more important, The First Amendment. The right to freedom of expression applies to everyone, even those whose opinions differ. -Sean ---- Shag a Lizard
Sean Cundiff wrote: The First Amendment. Why makes you think the First Amendment was ever intended to allow flag burning? The people who wrote it obviously didn't feel that way about it. Are you wiser than they? "Capitalism is the source of all true freedom."
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`The Congress shall have power to prohibit the physical desecration of the flag of the United States.'. http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/D?c109:1:./temp/~c109cUZ6FB::[^] [edit]link is temporary...try searching for H. J. RES. 10 at http://thomas.loc.gov/[^] [/edit] This proposed Constitutional Amendment has been around for years, but I think this was the first time it made through the house. I think it's absurd. If someone wants to burn a flag, go ahead. This amendment, in my eyes, is the same as saying it is unconstitutional to say "America sucks". Am I missing something, should this pass? Any other countries have laws prohibiting the desecration of their flag? BW
All the chickens get it.
And them singing canaries get it.
Even strawberries get it.brianwelsch wrote: Any other countries have laws prohibiting the desecration of their flag? Yes. Mine. Cheers, Vikram.
http://www.geocities.com/vpunathambekar "It's like hitting water with your fist. There's all sorts of motion and noise at impact, and no impression left whatsoever shortly thereafter." - gantww.
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Sean Cundiff wrote: The First Amendment. Why makes you think the First Amendment was ever intended to allow flag burning? The people who wrote it obviously didn't feel that way about it. Are you wiser than they? "Capitalism is the source of all true freedom."
Stan Shannon wrote: Why makes you think the First Amendment was ever intended to allow flag burning? --- Amendment I Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances. --- The First Amendment was intended to prevent government from impinging upon certain rights of citizens. Rights intended to allow true freedom to flourish. Stan Shannon wrote: The people who wrote it obviously didn't feel that way about it. It seems that they did. So much so that it was the FIRST AMENDMENT to the Constitution. I'll concede though, that it's open to interpretation as to exactly what is and isn't allowed. That's where the Supreme Court comes in. Their main duty is to interpret the body of law and decide whether or not it's in line with our rights as guaranteed in the Constitution. To provide a check and balance, so to speak, against the executive and legislative branches of government. Looks like they've already done that. http://www.law.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/conlaw/flagburning.htm[^] Opinion [Brennan][^] Concurrence [Kennedy][^] Just to be fair: Dissent [Rehnquist][^] Dissent [Stevens][
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`The Congress shall have power to prohibit the physical desecration of the flag of the United States.'. http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/D?c109:1:./temp/~c109cUZ6FB::[^] [edit]link is temporary...try searching for H. J. RES. 10 at http://thomas.loc.gov/[^] [/edit] This proposed Constitutional Amendment has been around for years, but I think this was the first time it made through the house. I think it's absurd. If someone wants to burn a flag, go ahead. This amendment, in my eyes, is the same as saying it is unconstitutional to say "America sucks". Am I missing something, should this pass? Any other countries have laws prohibiting the desecration of their flag? BW
All the chickens get it.
And them singing canaries get it.
Even strawberries get it.We can't, supposedly, put a stamp upside down on a letter. The stamp, having the image of queen lizabeth, has to be upright. But regarding the Union Flag (Jack), I've never heard of any laws regarding defacing it etc. Truth is the subjection of reality to an individuals perception. || Nunc est bibendum!