More Microsoft Bashing....
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I actually remember all of the pre-pentium machines I had... scary :-> WangPC Wyse 8Mhz 286 Multitech 10Mhz 286 Wyse 16Mhz 386 ALR 386SX ALR Flexnode 20Mhz 286 Northgate 25Mhz 386 ALR Flyer 33Mhz 486 ALR FlexCache 66Mhz 486SX onwards and upwards...
basementman wrote: WangPC Does a Wang 720 count? :) basementman wrote: I actually remember all of the pre-pentium machines I had... scary Understood. I was more into parts upgrades, so when I migrated was not quite so clear. Board and CPU one month, memory and disk later on. etc. I do not mind getting old. It beats all the other options that I can think of.
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Michael A. Barnhart wrote: or even the 25mhz 386 I had 10 years ago (or was that still the 286?) Ten years ago we already had P-133, time really flies, doesn't it? http://www.cpu-world.com/CPUs/80586/Intel-Pentium%20133%20-%20A80502133%20or%20A80502-133.html[^]
Ten years ago (in 1995) I was using a Packard Bell Pentium 90 MHz with around 8 MB of RAM :rolleyes:. -- LuisR
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Daniel Turini wrote: Does Windows XP really feel like a work of a thousand professionals for over 3 years of coding on Windows 2000? Having used it for three years now, and perhaps more importantly having seen other people using it over the same periods, I will answer "yes". I'm not going to justify that any further as I have done numerous times in the past here on CodeProject because ultimately no one cares anyway. It's an opinion. Daniel Turini wrote: I recall reading that there’s still more Windows 2000 Professional users than Windows XP Professional users My web site logs from CodeProject users* show 68% using Windows XP, 17% using Windows 2000 (and 2% using Windows 98, but let's not go there). That is just developers who read the Lounge and SB though. Stats for other sites I manage give XP around a 75% average share, and Windows itself at around 90%, but again most are targeted and not general-use. * When a CP user loads that little graphic in my signature it is logged on my web server. Daniel Turini wrote: ...where is the MS that Netscape complained that produced so many (useful, BTW) features and so fast that no one could not even reach? I wouldn't start to worry until the competition gets close to being on the same level, only then will it become a real issue. Windows XP was a massive improvement over what we had before, in everything from speed to reliability, that it is going to be hard to top even for Microsoft themselves. (And I think they know that themselves which is why things have been silently disapearing from future releases because they just aren't needed yet.) Likewise Office XP was such an improvement over the previous offerings and got so many things right that Office 2003 (the core programs) for all its extra strengths ultimately felt like a service pack. I honestly cannot remember Micrsoft Word locking up and crashing on me in this millenium. That is one heck of an achievement over the past (and I mistreat Word a hell of a lot for a developer). Surely we should let the market decide when Microsoft should add new functionality to their products?
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David Wulff wrote: Surely we should let the market decide when Microsoft should add new functionality to their products? YES :rose: I do not mind getting old. It beats all the other options that I can think of.
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I find this kind of funny. A friend of mine who hates "M$" sent this to me. I find it funny how all these companies and people are so focused on taking down Microsoft. I like Mac's, UNIX and Windows. I also get a kick out of people who love to bash "M$". I find it amusing. :laugh: http://applematters.com/index.php/section/comments/dont_look_now_but_the_coroner_is_measuring_microsoft_for_a_black_suit/
There are 10 kinds of people in this world. Those who understand binary and those who don't. We shouldn't assume something's debugged just because everyone in the whole world has access to the source code.
Momentum. It all boils down to momentum. Google has it. Sony has it. Apple has it pouring out of its orifices, Microsoft though. . .not so much Momentum = mass x velocity. While Microsoft may not be pumping out service releases as fast as Apple, it's way, way bigger. cheers, Chris Maunder
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Daniel Turini wrote: Does Windows XP really feel like a work of a thousand professionals for over 3 years of coding on Windows 2000? Having used it for three years now, and perhaps more importantly having seen other people using it over the same periods, I will answer "yes". I'm not going to justify that any further as I have done numerous times in the past here on CodeProject because ultimately no one cares anyway. It's an opinion. Daniel Turini wrote: I recall reading that there’s still more Windows 2000 Professional users than Windows XP Professional users My web site logs from CodeProject users* show 68% using Windows XP, 17% using Windows 2000 (and 2% using Windows 98, but let's not go there). That is just developers who read the Lounge and SB though. Stats for other sites I manage give XP around a 75% average share, and Windows itself at around 90%, but again most are targeted and not general-use. * When a CP user loads that little graphic in my signature it is logged on my web server. Daniel Turini wrote: ...where is the MS that Netscape complained that produced so many (useful, BTW) features and so fast that no one could not even reach? I wouldn't start to worry until the competition gets close to being on the same level, only then will it become a real issue. Windows XP was a massive improvement over what we had before, in everything from speed to reliability, that it is going to be hard to top even for Microsoft themselves. (And I think they know that themselves which is why things have been silently disapearing from future releases because they just aren't needed yet.) Likewise Office XP was such an improvement over the previous offerings and got so many things right that Office 2003 (the core programs) for all its extra strengths ultimately felt like a service pack. I honestly cannot remember Micrsoft Word locking up and crashing on me in this millenium. That is one heck of an achievement over the past (and I mistreat Word a hell of a lot for a developer). Surely we should let the market decide when Microsoft should add new functionality to their products?
Ðavid Wulff Audioscrobbler :: flickr
David Wulff wrote: Windows XP was a massive improvement over what we had before, in everything from speed to reliability I feel pretty positive about XP. It almost never crashes, it has nice features like system restore, it is more "plug and play" than previous versions, it makes things like wireless networking dead easy and so on. I think you are on very shakey ground, however, in praising its speed. From time to time I have occasion to revisit NT4. It is greased lightning compared to XP. Of course, if you have enough computing power, XP runs fine. But if your hardware is at all marginal, then XP slows things quite noticeably. John Carson "The English language, complete with irony, satire, and sarcasm, has survived for centuries wihout smileys. Only the new crop of modern computer geeks finds it impossible to detect a joke that is not Clearly Labelled as such." Ray Shea
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basementman wrote: WangPC Does a Wang 720 count? :) basementman wrote: I actually remember all of the pre-pentium machines I had... scary Understood. I was more into parts upgrades, so when I migrated was not quite so clear. Board and CPU one month, memory and disk later on. etc. I do not mind getting old. It beats all the other options that I can think of.
Michael A. Barnhart wrote: Does a Wang 720 count? Sure, if I can count the Wang 2200 Mini that we had... 2 56K partitions, a TRIPLE 8" 1MB floppy drive, a Phoenix drive and a Hawk drive (5MB fixed, 5MB removable platters). God, I hated Basic2. onwards and upwards...
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Momentum. It all boils down to momentum. Google has it. Sony has it. Apple has it pouring out of its orifices, Microsoft though. . .not so much Momentum = mass x velocity. While Microsoft may not be pumping out service releases as fast as Apple, it's way, way bigger. cheers, Chris Maunder
Yes, but it takes a lot more energy to get a larger mass moving from a standstill..... onwards and upwards...
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Momentum. It all boils down to momentum. Google has it. Sony has it. Apple has it pouring out of its orifices, Microsoft though. . .not so much Momentum = mass x velocity. While Microsoft may not be pumping out service releases as fast as Apple, it's way, way bigger. cheers, Chris Maunder
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Yes, but it takes a lot more energy to get a larger mass moving from a standstill..... onwards and upwards...
Yeah, but it also takes a lot of energy to slow down or stop a behemoth. Even all the heat on slashdot doesn't dissipate enough energy to stop Microsoft. :) Absolute faith corrupts as absolutely as absolute power Eric Hoffer The opposite of the religious fanatic is not the fanatical atheist but the gentle cynic who cares not whether there is a god or not. Eric Hoffer
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Michael A. Barnhart wrote: or even the 25mhz 386 I had 10 years ago (or was that still the 286?) Ten years ago we already had P-133, time really flies, doesn't it? http://www.cpu-world.com/CPUs/80586/Intel-Pentium%20133%20-%20A80502133%20or%20A80502-133.html[^]
I remember my and my brother had a 486 going as our first computer for ourselves (parents had some older 286 machines, I think). It was decent, no video card, but it could play all of our DOS games, I believe. Man, when my dad brought home a P-133 from work, whew! that thing was blazing! I kept that thing running until games started requiring more than a P133. I ended up buying an AMD 800mhz, which worked well until my new machine, a P4 2.8 w/hyper threading, put all my previous machines to shame. :-) Judging by my machines' incremental improvements, I'd say my next machine will be a P7 10Ghz with Super-Dee-Duper Threadleconundrum, Octal Core Processor. ;)
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Wow, great, another "Microsoft is dead/dying/will-die article. For all Longhorn's delays, you'd think Apple could take some market share, or Linux pound them in the server arena. And wasn't this year supposed to be "the year of the Linux desktop"? Yeah, come to think of it, last year was too. And the year before. Yet this is the first year the Linux server share has actually declined in growth. And while Apple has released some great operating system service packs and charged money for them, I still see everyone running Windows. The whole "mind share" idea is right, you get people hooked on Windows and they'll never leave. There's no way I could ever pull, say, my parents for instance, from an operating system that doesn't have a start button, internet explorer, outlook, & office. Sure there are alternatives in all areas, but that requires learning something new, and when combined with multiple new software packages, the average Joe will be dying to run the familiar old XP, with IE and Office. Frankly, most of all this, I just don't like the zealotry, you know, the kind you find on Slashdot. These people[^] whose moral compass defines commercial software as evil, and Richard M. Stallman as a kind of messiah, the GPL as Scripture, and anything in dissent of the Linux-Stallman-GPL trinity gets flamed to high heaven and moderated out of the discussion, akin to medieval heresy. Take Sun, for example. They've opened Java, open-sourced Solaris and put it under an OSI-approved software license. Yet just the other day, I (a C#/.NET guy) was defending Java from an onslaught of "Not free enough! Not GPL compatible! Stallman warned us of the Java trap!" slew of nonsense. Even today, go look at Slashdot's frontpage story, where Linux frontman Eric S. Raymond gets slammed for disagreeing with the GPL part of the trinity. It is lunacy that morality be measured against a software license! How pathetic the zealotry really is; it's a total turnoff for someone who's interested in technology rather than idealogies based on software licenses.
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Judah Himango wrote: Yet this is the first year the Linux server share has actually declined. Sorry to be difficult but it was a decline in rate of growth, not of level. Elaine :rose: The tigress is here :-D
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Must have been the 386...the max MHz that 286's went up to was 20, if I recall correctly. I remember when I upgraded my 20Mhz 286 ALR FlexNode to a Northgate 25Mhz 386. Man, did it fly! onwards and upwards...
I remember the salesman trying to talk me out of buying a 486 50Mhz because he didn't think I needed anything so powerful.
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Judah Himango wrote: Yet this is the first year the Linux server share has actually declined. Sorry to be difficult but it was a decline in rate of growth, not of level. Elaine :rose: The tigress is here :-D
Hah, my mistake then, I'll modify my post.
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Momentum. It all boils down to momentum. Google has it. Sony has it. Apple has it pouring out of its orifices, Microsoft though. . .not so much Momentum = mass x velocity. While Microsoft may not be pumping out service releases as fast as Apple, it's way, way bigger. cheers, Chris Maunder
Your definition of momentum is right. However momentum is being used wrongly in the statement. Microsoft's momentum means that it is not flexible to change direction. Due to beauracracy etc any large company becomes less flexible. Imagine if at CP to create a new emoticon it had to be approved by various sub-committees and took a few months. :-) Regardz Colin J Davies The most LinkedIn CPian (that I know of anyhow) :-)
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I don't think all is well within Microsoft. I sense a lot of internal struggle going on, as Microsoft tries to restructure itself to meet the challenges of Linux, Google, Yahoo and the rest. The company has got a little stodgy as most large corporate institutions tend to do. However there are a lot of smart people still working there and I'd expect Microsoft to pull themselves out of the mire. If I was Bill Gates, I'd break the company up into seperate self-controlling entities. Windows, Office, MSN, Developer Tools, Gaming etc. That would give each team a chance to break free of the corporate structure and show us what they can really do. The divisions would then have to survive on their own merit and not be propped up by each other. Cutting a lot of corporate fat would help speed up product development and release. Michael CP Blog [^] Development Blog [^]
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I agree that, with all of those people out there, they are moving like their feet are in the mud. A bigger issue, in my mind, is that Win2003 is very good, and very stable, and very mature. What new features are people waiting on so badly? Searchable file system? Got it already (MSIndexServer, Google Desktop Search, MSN Desktop Search). Call a web service? What percentage of users need to do this? Software developers already have toolboxes bursting with code to call web services. A new UI? How many people struggled with the change from W2K/98 to XP? The PlaySchool look. Now we need to retrain again for yet another UI. So, to summarize, I think that OS that people are using TODAY (W2K,W2K3,XP) has been more than adequate for the last couple of years and there is not going to be a rush to upgrade, nor will there be compelling reasons to do so until the OS's currently in use reach their end of life. This means that the only revenue MS will get on Longhorn is from factory pre-installs. My $.02, FWIW. onwards and upwards...
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Momentum. It all boils down to momentum. Google has it. Sony has it. Apple has it pouring out of its orifices, Microsoft though. . .not so much Momentum = mass x velocity. While Microsoft may not be pumping out service releases as fast as Apple, it's way, way bigger. cheers, Chris Maunder
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:laugh: Probably by some Linux zealot who felt his views threatened by reality. Hopefully it wasn't our friendly outlaw programmer. :-)
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Momentum. It all boils down to momentum. Google has it. Sony has it. Apple has it pouring out of its orifices, Microsoft though. . .not so much Momentum = mass x velocity. While Microsoft may not be pumping out service releases as fast as Apple, it's way, way bigger. cheers, Chris Maunder
Show-off physics major. :-D
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Your definition of momentum is right. However momentum is being used wrongly in the statement. Microsoft's momentum means that it is not flexible to change direction. Due to beauracracy etc any large company becomes less flexible. Imagine if at CP to create a new emoticon it had to be approved by various sub-committees and took a few months. :-) Regardz Colin J Davies The most LinkedIn CPian (that I know of anyhow) :-)
Ooh! Ooh! Dueling physicists! ColinDavies wrote: Microsoft's momentum inertia means that it is not flexible to change direction Mr. Newton, anyone? :laugh:
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