Poll: Cross Platform GUI
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Which is the best programming language, open source, not Qt, etc. 1.)Mono.net 2.)wxWindows 3.)Mozilla XUL 4.)Other http://www.priyank.in/
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Which is the best programming language, open source, not Qt, etc. 1.)Mono.net 2.)wxWindows 3.)Mozilla XUL 4.)Other http://www.priyank.in/
Uhm, how many people here think cross-platform GUI programming is actually a good idea?
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Uhm, how many people here think cross-platform GUI programming is actually a good idea?
Not me! I've always thought that the entire cross-platform argument was a crock mainly because it's impossible. There's always something that platform A can do that platform B can't. Whereupon the code base compiled for platform B grows a conditionally compiled excressence to fake something. And then the code base for platform A grows a similar excressence to compensate for the things IT can't do... And that way madness lies... Rob Manderson I'm working on a version for Visual Lisp++ My blog http://blogs.wdevs.com/ultramaroon/[^]
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Not me! I've always thought that the entire cross-platform argument was a crock mainly because it's impossible. There's always something that platform A can do that platform B can't. Whereupon the code base compiled for platform B grows a conditionally compiled excressence to fake something. And then the code base for platform A grows a similar excressence to compensate for the things IT can't do... And that way madness lies... Rob Manderson I'm working on a version for Visual Lisp++ My blog http://blogs.wdevs.com/ultramaroon/[^]
Yep, that's pretty much what I think too. You either end up writing lots and lots of custom code to simulate UI behavior in OS-A that exists by default in OS-B or you end up with a common denominator GUI (like those ugly Java apps)!
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Which is the best programming language, open source, not Qt, etc. 1.)Mono.net 2.)wxWindows 3.)Mozilla XUL 4.)Other http://www.priyank.in/
I've only used wxWindows (now called wxWidgets), and it's pretty good, though it has some gremlins. But it's pretty usable once you learn how to use it properly:cool: --- YOU KNOW WHAT YOU ARE BLONDIE!?!? YOU'RE JUST A SON OF A BA A A A AAAAAAAAAA!!!!! http://sprdsoft.cmar-net.org http://t1tan.cjb.net
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Yep, that's pretty much what I think too. You either end up writing lots and lots of custom code to simulate UI behavior in OS-A that exists by default in OS-B or you end up with a common denominator GUI (like those ugly Java apps)!
.net is not much different from JAVA in the technology field. Personally I think you should have a look at wxWidgets, it rocks, but I am concern of its future, when there are bigger fish in the market mozilla XUL, mono.net, etc. http://www.priyank.in/
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Which is the best programming language, open source, not Qt, etc. 1.)Mono.net 2.)wxWindows 3.)Mozilla XUL 4.)Other http://www.priyank.in/
sometimes is html enough
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.net is not much different from JAVA in the technology field. Personally I think you should have a look at wxWidgets, it rocks, but I am concern of its future, when there are bigger fish in the market mozilla XUL, mono.net, etc. http://www.priyank.in/
Priyank Bolia wrote: .net is not much different from JAVA in the technology field. Uhm, what has that got to do with what I said? I commented that I personally think Cross Platform GUI development is a bad idea. I didn't say .NET is better than Java or anything like that, did I? Regards Nish
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I've only used wxWindows (now called wxWidgets), and it's pretty good, though it has some gremlins. But it's pretty usable once you learn how to use it properly:cool: --- YOU KNOW WHAT YOU ARE BLONDIE!?!? YOU'RE JUST A SON OF A BA A A A AAAAAAAAAA!!!!! http://sprdsoft.cmar-net.org http://t1tan.cjb.net
I am also using it currently, and it rocks, but I am not sure of its future. It has still a long way to grow and mature enough like MFC, where you want a control and just search codeproject, finish... http://www.priyank.in/
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sometimes is html enough
agreed, but only sometimes. http://www.priyank.in/
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Which is the best programming language, open source, not Qt, etc. 1.)Mono.net 2.)wxWindows 3.)Mozilla XUL 4.)Other http://www.priyank.in/
I have to agree with Nish and Rob and say that in general cross platform GUI's are just plain bad. However, for other reasons that I will not go into here, I'll say Mono with MWF when it gets to version 1.2. Regards, Brian Dela :-) Blog^ Co-author of The Outlook Answer Book... Go on, pre-order^ it today! Regular Expression Library builder^
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Priyank Bolia wrote: .net is not much different from JAVA in the technology field. Uhm, what has that got to do with what I said? I commented that I personally think Cross Platform GUI development is a bad idea. I didn't say .NET is better than Java or anything like that, did I? Regards Nish
Nishant Sivakumar wrote: I didn't say .NET is better than Java or anything like that, did I? No, you didn't. Sorry but I was saying that mono.net is the same thing as java, they use the same technology byte codes. And I am not a great fan of intermediate languages, I like the power of MFC. http://www.priyank.in/
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Nishant Sivakumar wrote: I didn't say .NET is better than Java or anything like that, did I? No, you didn't. Sorry but I was saying that mono.net is the same thing as java, they use the same technology byte codes. And I am not a great fan of intermediate languages, I like the power of MFC. http://www.priyank.in/
Priyank Bolia wrote: Sorry but I was saying that mono.net is the same thing as java Maybe, but I wonder if anyone is planning to use Mono for cross-platform GUI development [I am not even sure Windows Forms has been ported over]. Maybe B.Delahunty - the resident Mono guy - can throw more light on this.
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I have to agree with Nish and Rob and say that in general cross platform GUI's are just plain bad. However, for other reasons that I will not go into here, I'll say Mono with MWF when it gets to version 1.2. Regards, Brian Dela :-) Blog^ Co-author of The Outlook Answer Book... Go on, pre-order^ it today! Regular Expression Library builder^
Brian Delahunty wrote: I have to agree with Nish and Rob and say that in general cross platform GUI's are just plain bad. That's another topic, but what if some one has deicided to be fool and use cross platform GUI, on what will he bet on? Mono is surely the biggest contendor, but I think I bet on Mozilla XUL and wxWdigets. Hopefully, if wxWidgets get some port to support XUL resources, It will be a great thing for atleast me. http://www.priyank.in/
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Priyank Bolia wrote: Sorry but I was saying that mono.net is the same thing as java Maybe, but I wonder if anyone is planning to use Mono for cross-platform GUI development [I am not even sure Windows Forms has been ported over]. Maybe B.Delahunty - the resident Mono guy - can throw more light on this.
Any way GTK# sharp port of mono is platform independent, and mono people say its more advanced than win forms, but I experimented with that also(http://www.codeproject.com/cpnet/calcsharp.asp), and din't satisfied. http://www.priyank.in/
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Not me! I've always thought that the entire cross-platform argument was a crock mainly because it's impossible. There's always something that platform A can do that platform B can't. Whereupon the code base compiled for platform B grows a conditionally compiled excressence to fake something. And then the code base for platform A grows a similar excressence to compensate for the things IT can't do... And that way madness lies... Rob Manderson I'm working on a version for Visual Lisp++ My blog http://blogs.wdevs.com/ultramaroon/[^]
At the risk of sounding like I am supporting a particular OS vendor, isn't that what JIT (just in time) compilers, operating on a meta-language, are all about? It will probably take some independent compiler vendor, or, preferably, open source project to implement this, as opposed to an OS vendor. Unfortunately, there is little incentive for the OS vendors to cooperate because it would mean lost revenue if multi-vendor solutions are implemented. They are good at offering volume discounts to large corporate customers to insure winning the contract and they do not want to share the wealth. This is an area that really begs to be implemented so that applications can be developed without regard for any particular target architecture. It has been the holy grail of development for quite some time. I would rather have my teeth drilled than do system testing! JimmyRopes
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Which is the best programming language, open source, not Qt, etc. 1.)Mono.net 2.)wxWindows 3.)Mozilla XUL 4.)Other http://www.priyank.in/
I've recently had to make a similar decision on this myself. I am working on v2 of an app of mine which up to now has included a dedicated admin program written in MFC. The main app itself is an NT service. As many people may need this admin app installed, I have decided to go with a "browser client" solution. I have written a mini-web server that is installed (as a service) on the NT server where the main program resides, and all administration is done via the browser. This means that the customers need no dedicated admin software, and could potentially administer the main app from a non-MS platform. My only regret is that I didn't do this years ago! I design my admin pages as HTML forms (using the excellent Nvu HTML editor - Mozilla Composer with wings) and embed these pages as resources in the admin service. The HTTP part was inredibly straightforward to write, and thanks to use of CSS, changing the "look and feel" of the pages is a breeze. OK, you don't get any flashy controls with HTML (no tree view, list view, etc.) but I am only losing a little bit of functionality by doing without them. I may even investigate the hot new "AJAX" technology that Google and others are using to make the admin experience more snappy.
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I am also using it currently, and it rocks, but I am not sure of its future. It has still a long way to grow and mature enough like MFC, where you want a control and just search codeproject, finish... http://www.priyank.in/
I've used several time wxWindows and I think it's a very good solution for multiplatform solution but, as you, I don't feel safe and sure for it's future, so I can take this risk but not my customers. ... she said you are the perfect stranger she said baby let's keep it like this... Tunnel of Love, Dire Straits.
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Which is the best programming language, open source, not Qt, etc. 1.)Mono.net 2.)wxWindows 3.)Mozilla XUL 4.)Other http://www.priyank.in/
VCF is another one that should be on your list: http://vcf-online.org/[^] Regards, Brian Dela :-) Blog^ Co-author of The Outlook Answer Book... Go on, pre-order^ it today! Regular Expression Library builder^
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I've recently had to make a similar decision on this myself. I am working on v2 of an app of mine which up to now has included a dedicated admin program written in MFC. The main app itself is an NT service. As many people may need this admin app installed, I have decided to go with a "browser client" solution. I have written a mini-web server that is installed (as a service) on the NT server where the main program resides, and all administration is done via the browser. This means that the customers need no dedicated admin software, and could potentially administer the main app from a non-MS platform. My only regret is that I didn't do this years ago! I design my admin pages as HTML forms (using the excellent Nvu HTML editor - Mozilla Composer with wings) and embed these pages as resources in the admin service. The HTTP part was inredibly straightforward to write, and thanks to use of CSS, changing the "look and feel" of the pages is a breeze. OK, you don't get any flashy controls with HTML (no tree view, list view, etc.) but I am only losing a little bit of functionality by doing without them. I may even investigate the hot new "AJAX" technology that Google and others are using to make the admin experience more snappy.
Ya, surely but that is client server scenario, html/xml based solutions is the best option for that. But the question is for standalone app that integrates or uses OS funtionality, etc. http://www.priyank.in/