Contractors?
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As one who never tried to be self-employed I'm wondering how do you guys find clients? What are possible gaps between contracts, and how you are not going into a nervous breakdown during those periods.
I once heard someone say that contractors are programmers who could not get permanent jobs. I know that sounds inflammatory but I don't mean it to be. Wouldn't you always want a permanent job though given the benefits and all?
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Christian Graus wrote: So, see you in Seattle then ? I'm there from the Monday, and hoping for some sort of CP get together on the Tuesday night. Ah, sadly no. My son gets back on Friday from spending 3 weeks with his mom, and I'm eager to spend some time with him before school starts. Besides, I've never been one to really get much out of these convention things. Maybe it's me. Christian Graus wrote: So you think there's a big future in this stuff ? Well, if I have anything to do about it, using XML for UI's is just the tip of the iceburg for declarative programming in general. The separation between imperative and declarative code is such a valuable architectural technique, that I wouldn't program without it. To declaratively program the structure/state of the application and imperatively program the behavior has saved me countless hours of refactoring when a structural/state change has been needed, or when a new behavior needs to be plugged into an existing application. (ok, I'll get off the grandstand now) Marc My website
Latest Articles: Object Comparer String HelpersMarc Clifton wrote: My son gets back on Friday from spending 3 weeks with his mom, and I'm eager to spend some time with him before school starts. Fair enough. Divorced with kids must suck.... Marc Clifton wrote: I've never been one to really get much out of these convention things. Maybe it's me. For me, the best bit is the inside info we get, meeting the product groups and so on. But I'm also using the trip to meet with the guy in Texas I work for, to be honest, that holds more value for me overall. Marc Clifton wrote: Well, if I have anything to do about it, using XML for UI's is just the tip of the iceburg for declarative programming in general. The separation between imperative and declarative code is such a valuable architectural technique, that I wouldn't program without it. To declaratively program the structure/state of the application and imperatively program the behavior has saved me countless hours of refactoring when a structural/state change has been needed, or when a new behavior needs to be plugged into an existing application. Interesting.... I'm a real beginner at this, I'm still trying to wrap my head around the use of it. I guess I should read your articles ? Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++
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Marc Clifton wrote: My son gets back on Friday from spending 3 weeks with his mom, and I'm eager to spend some time with him before school starts. Fair enough. Divorced with kids must suck.... Marc Clifton wrote: I've never been one to really get much out of these convention things. Maybe it's me. For me, the best bit is the inside info we get, meeting the product groups and so on. But I'm also using the trip to meet with the guy in Texas I work for, to be honest, that holds more value for me overall. Marc Clifton wrote: Well, if I have anything to do about it, using XML for UI's is just the tip of the iceburg for declarative programming in general. The separation between imperative and declarative code is such a valuable architectural technique, that I wouldn't program without it. To declaratively program the structure/state of the application and imperatively program the behavior has saved me countless hours of refactoring when a structural/state change has been needed, or when a new behavior needs to be plugged into an existing application. Interesting.... I'm a real beginner at this, I'm still trying to wrap my head around the use of it. I guess I should read your articles ? Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++
What you should most definitely do is read his early articles. That was back in the day when he would ask me questions about XML. I've still got this huge pride issue about teaching Marc Clifton something... :rolleyes:
[Cheshire] I can't afford those plastic things to cover the electric sockets so I just draw bunny faces on the electric outlets to scare the kids away from them... [RLtim] Newsflash! Kids aren't afraid of bunnies. [Cheshire] Oh they will be... -Bash.org
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Marc Clifton wrote: My son gets back on Friday from spending 3 weeks with his mom, and I'm eager to spend some time with him before school starts. Fair enough. Divorced with kids must suck.... Marc Clifton wrote: I've never been one to really get much out of these convention things. Maybe it's me. For me, the best bit is the inside info we get, meeting the product groups and so on. But I'm also using the trip to meet with the guy in Texas I work for, to be honest, that holds more value for me overall. Marc Clifton wrote: Well, if I have anything to do about it, using XML for UI's is just the tip of the iceburg for declarative programming in general. The separation between imperative and declarative code is such a valuable architectural technique, that I wouldn't program without it. To declaratively program the structure/state of the application and imperatively program the behavior has saved me countless hours of refactoring when a structural/state change has been needed, or when a new behavior needs to be plugged into an existing application. Interesting.... I'm a real beginner at this, I'm still trying to wrap my head around the use of it. I guess I should read your articles ? Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++
Christian Graus wrote: Divorced with kids must suck.... Yup. I sometimes wonder if it was the right decision, and this is 11 years later! But I always come back to the thought that you can only change yourself, you can can't change someone else. And I wasn't willing to change myself to the point of such compromise. Christian Graus wrote: I guess I should read your articles ? I'd be flattered. This one: Comparing Declarative And Imperative Programming[^] is probably the best one, as it encompasses techniques that go beyond just UI definition. I have a blog entry[^] on declarative programming in a n-tier environment that is a "thinking out loud" concept piece that you might find interesting as well. As you can imagine, I can discuss these things to the end of time, and am more than willing to do so! Marc My website
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What you should most definitely do is read his early articles. That was back in the day when he would ask me questions about XML. I've still got this huge pride issue about teaching Marc Clifton something... :rolleyes:
[Cheshire] I can't afford those plastic things to cover the electric sockets so I just draw bunny faces on the electric outlets to scare the kids away from them... [RLtim] Newsflash! Kids aren't afraid of bunnies. [Cheshire] Oh they will be... -Bash.org
David Stone wrote: I've still got this huge pride issue about teaching Marc Clifton something... LOL! And I have you and leppie to thank! (IIRC, leppie suggested using reflection and type converters, and the rest was history!) Marc My website
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Christian Graus wrote: Divorced with kids must suck.... Yup. I sometimes wonder if it was the right decision, and this is 11 years later! But I always come back to the thought that you can only change yourself, you can can't change someone else. And I wasn't willing to change myself to the point of such compromise. Christian Graus wrote: I guess I should read your articles ? I'd be flattered. This one: Comparing Declarative And Imperative Programming[^] is probably the best one, as it encompasses techniques that go beyond just UI definition. I have a blog entry[^] on declarative programming in a n-tier environment that is a "thinking out loud" concept piece that you might find interesting as well. As you can imagine, I can discuss these things to the end of time, and am more than willing to do so! Marc My website
Latest Articles: Object Comparer String HelpersMarc Clifton wrote: As you can imagine, I can discuss these things to the end of time, and am more than willing to do so! Thanks, I'm downloading that article for offline reading, and I'm sure you'll hear more from me soon. Like I have time to do this sort of research, but I need to make time, I think. Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++
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I once heard someone say that contractors are programmers who could not get permanent jobs. I know that sounds inflammatory but I don't mean it to be. Wouldn't you always want a permanent job though given the benefits and all?
I think many programmers here would consider themselves more "code poets"... like writers who don't want to work for a sports mag or the local newspaper. I find many devs here are very brave (at least in my eyes) to have the juevos to be their own boss. Personally, I like the stability and the benefits, and I really like working for a big company (surprisingly enough). I know the dinero's there for those who wanna take the risk, but that's life... ~Nitron.
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I think many programmers here would consider themselves more "code poets"... like writers who don't want to work for a sports mag or the local newspaper. I find many devs here are very brave (at least in my eyes) to have the juevos to be their own boss. Personally, I like the stability and the benefits, and I really like working for a big company (surprisingly enough). I know the dinero's there for those who wanna take the risk, but that's life... ~Nitron.
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startI think your right in that for those people who can make it as a contractor and do well then good for them. I would imagine that there are more that don't. I doubt I could, which is why I am glad I have a full time position.
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What you should most definitely do is read his early articles. That was back in the day when he would ask me questions about XML. I've still got this huge pride issue about teaching Marc Clifton something... :rolleyes:
[Cheshire] I can't afford those plastic things to cover the electric sockets so I just draw bunny faces on the electric outlets to scare the kids away from them... [RLtim] Newsflash! Kids aren't afraid of bunnies. [Cheshire] Oh they will be... -Bash.org
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I once heard someone say that contractors are programmers who could not get permanent jobs. I know that sounds inflammatory but I don't mean it to be. Wouldn't you always want a permanent job though given the benefits and all?
I think you'll find that most contractors do it as a lifestyle choice, and shudder at the thought of being a permanent employee. I've found contractors generally fall into 2 camps: - - Those who do it for a quick buck, for a few years. - Those for whom contracting (working for ones self) is a career choice. Al Einstien wrote: contractors are programmers who could not get permanent jobs Yeah, these people fall into the 1st category and their primary skill is the art of the "blag" :) Phil Harding.
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I once heard someone say that contractors are programmers who could not get permanent jobs. I know that sounds inflammatory but I don't mean it to be. Wouldn't you always want a permanent job though given the benefits and all?
Actually, I think it is due to a desire to be independent. Many years ago (back before the industrial age) it seemed like everyone had their own business of some form be it a farm, ranch, store, etc. In more modern times, we are brainwashed at young ages that you need to find an employer, work hard to build their business and hopefully retire then finally enjoy life. The old idea of owning your own business and being your own boss was lost for most people. Computers luckily allow many to be their own boss and own their own lucrative business (providing you have the skill and business since -- I am still working on the latter ;) ) with little or no startup capital. It is not for everyone, but for those that still enjoy the idea of independence, it is worth the risks. In addition, I believe that contractors actually need more skills than demanded by many positions, as they are the first line of cuts in a budget and usually carry more responsibility than staffers. They also are the first blamed if things go wrong and the last credited when things go good. Of course, this is dependant on the type of contracts. Rocky <>< My Blog[^]
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Make that unpaid vacation. regards, Paul Watson South Africa Colib and WebTwoZero. K(arl) wrote: oh, and BTW, CHRISTIAN ISN'T A PARADOX, HE IS A TASMANIAN!
The trick is to charge enough to cover your vacations.
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