Microsoft and Hollywood?
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I think that's were this line of thinking fails. Corporations are set up to make money. If a corporation does not make money, the corporation is no more, and the people working for it will be out of jobs, unable to provide for themselves and their families. Some people seem to think that a corporation's priorities ought to be embetterment of mankind, the world, the environment, and so on. The open source movement typifies this. While those are nice utopian thoughts, it doesn't make sense for a corporation to do so, especially when failing to bring a profit results in the corporation's eventual demise, thus making any benefits to mankind non-existant. Now, environment, education, and healthcare, I would agree, shouldn't be profit centers. But, you'll probably agree, these examples aren't typical corporations.
Judah, I think Lauren is talking about the PsychoPathic Corporation, as described in this link: Is your boss (or corporation) a Psychopath?[^]
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Judah Himango wrote: Doing immoral things in order to make money, OTOH, that would be evil. The thing is... how far removed from the immoral things do you have to be before you can stop considering yourself tainted by them? Sure, it's easy to cry "Evil!" at the guy making the decision to (say) replace a healthy ingredient with a cheaper (but less-than-healthy) one, or use cheap paint on a contract that won't be renewed, or cut quality control... but what about the shareholders pressuring that guy to increase profits, with no thought to the consequences? What about the laborers actually producing shoddy work, simply because it's easier and no-one seems to care? What about the people buying the products, or the politicians picking the lowest bidder in spite of a sketchy track record? What about the voters, who voted in the guy who said he would cut taxes instead of the guy who said he would build better schools? Corporations are all too often just a mental game. A way of blaming someone else for your own weakness, your own greed. They are the manifestation of a culture of lust and cowardice. Also, some manufacture damn good airconditioners. Guess which one of those paragraphs i'll put on my resume... :rolleyes:
The thing is... how far removed from the immoral things do you have to be before you can stop considering yourself tainted by them?
If you are not doing or causing some immoral action, then you cannot be held responsible for the actions of others. Though, I'd say a wise person would not work with people who are doing immoral activity.
What about the laborers actually producing shoddy work, simply because it's easier and no-one seems to care?
It's on his own head, that person doing an immoral activity; because no one seemingly cares has nothing to do with whether or not a job should be done right.
but what about the shareholders pressuring that guy to increase profits, with no thought to the consequences?
You can't say that shareholder pressure permits immoral activity. Shareholders have the knowledge that what they are doing is an elaborate gambling scheme. If they lose money, it's on their own heads, they knew there was risk involved. To say, "I was only doing immoral activity XYZ because the shareholds pressured my company to make money", is nothing more than a poor excuse for immoral behavior. The shareholders themselves are not immoral; they invested money into a corporation, helping it out, with the full knowledge that they risk losing all their money or doubling it. To say their dollar pressure causes immoral activity is wrong; as mentioned previously, pressure of having to make a profit does not permit immoral activity, thus, people committing the immoral activity are in the wrong.
Corporations are all too often just a mental game. A way of blaming someone else for your own weakness, your own greed. They are the manifestation of a culture of lust and cowardice.
I work for a corporation not for my own greed, but to provide for my family. Most will concur there is nothing immoral about that. Sure, we'd all like to have more money, but in the end, corporations are a way to make a living, both for employee and employer. Corporations also spawn competition, which more often than not, results in better products, possibly improving or advancing humanity as a whole.
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look i know u probably mean well and all but i really dont have time to explain why i think corporations that care for nothing other than their bottom lines are not a good thing... if u dont get it already then my explanations wont make anything any clearer and btw stop trying to make me a spokes person for anything anti-corporate ... all i did was make a comment actually supporting MS for once!!
some reading you might find illuminating: Is Your Boss (or corporation) a Psychopath?[^]
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Judah Himango wrote: Doing immoral things in order to make money, OTOH, that would be evil. The thing is... how far removed from the immoral things do you have to be before you can stop considering yourself tainted by them? Sure, it's easy to cry "Evil!" at the guy making the decision to (say) replace a healthy ingredient with a cheaper (but less-than-healthy) one, or use cheap paint on a contract that won't be renewed, or cut quality control... but what about the shareholders pressuring that guy to increase profits, with no thought to the consequences? What about the laborers actually producing shoddy work, simply because it's easier and no-one seems to care? What about the people buying the products, or the politicians picking the lowest bidder in spite of a sketchy track record? What about the voters, who voted in the guy who said he would cut taxes instead of the guy who said he would build better schools? Corporations are all too often just a mental game. A way of blaming someone else for your own weakness, your own greed. They are the manifestation of a culture of lust and cowardice. Also, some manufacture damn good airconditioners. Guess which one of those paragraphs i'll put on my resume... :rolleyes:
Shog9 wrote: Guess which one of those paragraphs i'll put on my resume none of them.
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some reading you might find illuminating: Is Your Boss (or corporation) a Psychopath?[^]
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What about non profit corporations, are they bad, too? Never forget: "Stay kul and happy" (I.A.)
David's thoughts / dnhsoftware.org / MyHTMLTidyWhat is the purpose of a corporation?
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The thing is... how far removed from the immoral things do you have to be before you can stop considering yourself tainted by them?
If you are not doing or causing some immoral action, then you cannot be held responsible for the actions of others. Though, I'd say a wise person would not work with people who are doing immoral activity.
What about the laborers actually producing shoddy work, simply because it's easier and no-one seems to care?
It's on his own head, that person doing an immoral activity; because no one seemingly cares has nothing to do with whether or not a job should be done right.
but what about the shareholders pressuring that guy to increase profits, with no thought to the consequences?
You can't say that shareholder pressure permits immoral activity. Shareholders have the knowledge that what they are doing is an elaborate gambling scheme. If they lose money, it's on their own heads, they knew there was risk involved. To say, "I was only doing immoral activity XYZ because the shareholds pressured my company to make money", is nothing more than a poor excuse for immoral behavior. The shareholders themselves are not immoral; they invested money into a corporation, helping it out, with the full knowledge that they risk losing all their money or doubling it. To say their dollar pressure causes immoral activity is wrong; as mentioned previously, pressure of having to make a profit does not permit immoral activity, thus, people committing the immoral activity are in the wrong.
Corporations are all too often just a mental game. A way of blaming someone else for your own weakness, your own greed. They are the manifestation of a culture of lust and cowardice.
I work for a corporation not for my own greed, but to provide for my family. Most will concur there is nothing immoral about that. Sure, we'd all like to have more money, but in the end, corporations are a way to make a living, both for employee and employer. Corporations also spawn competition, which more often than not, results in better products, possibly improving or advancing humanity as a whole.
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Just like people can be psychopathic, so can corporations. Why? Because corporations are made up of and led by people. If the people at the top are psychopathic the so will be the corporation. Witness the Sam Waksall's and Enron's of the world. Read Is your Boss (or corporation) a psychopath?[^]
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look i know u probably mean well and all but i really dont have time to explain why i think corporations that care for nothing other than their bottom lines are not a good thing... if u dont get it already then my explanations wont make anything any clearer and btw stop trying to make me a spokes person for anything anti-corporate ... all i did was make a comment actually supporting MS for once!!
If you can't or won't explain yourself, that's fine, I was only curious to understand the thinking behind the "all corporations are bad" idea, which is often rampant in the web's various tech peanut galleries, such as Slashdot.
btw stop trying to make me a spokes person for anything anti-corporate
I didn't, you did. You said in your first post, and I quote, "im as anti-corporation as anyone", implying that you are anti-corporate as others seemingly are.
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yes you do: yourself. And ultimately whoever pays you for your work is, in reality your "boss." In anycase, its still worth a read if only to help you recognize the psychopathic people in organizations (or corporations) you may end up taking work from. Whatever. May good opportunities come your way and may you have the wisdom and courage to see and use them.
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What is the purpose of a corporation?
Shog9 wrote: What is the purpose of a corporation? Depends on who formed it for what purpose. Some corporations are for-profit, some are *not* for-profit. But the commonality among them all is to protect the founder's and officer's assets.
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I think he'd accept such a lesson from you. --- LOL :laugh::laugh:;P;P;P
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Judah, I think Lauren is talking about the PsychoPathic Corporation, as described in this link: Is your boss (or corporation) a Psychopath?[^]
Ok, if she is then it is my mistake. She had said in her first post that she is anti-corporate without any qualifications to that effect, so I responded accordingly.
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If you can't or won't explain yourself, that's fine, I was only curious to understand the thinking behind the "all corporations are bad" idea, which is often rampant in the web's various tech peanut galleries, such as Slashdot.
btw stop trying to make me a spokes person for anything anti-corporate
I didn't, you did. You said in your first post, and I quote, "im as anti-corporation as anyone", implying that you are anti-corporate as others seemingly are.
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Ok, if she is then it is my mistake. She had said in her first post that she is anti-corporate without any qualifications to that effect, so I responded accordingly.
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I am just assuming that 1) I can speak for her and 2) that she's more reasonable than she sounded in her post. And you know assuming makes u and me: think of the three letter word for donkey beginning in 'a' and ending in 'ss'.
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What is the purpose of a corporation?
Franky, I don't know a thing about it. But it is written on the internet! :-D What I understand from google it makes things (e.g. making money) easier for stockholders. As for non profit corp., this link again[^] Never forget: "Stay kul and happy" (I.A.)
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Didn't mean any harm, was just curious to understand.
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I think he'd accept such a lesson from you. --- LOL :laugh::laugh:;P;P;P
Yeah, I am ignorant (old story), bad mannered sexist, and I am hitting on Lauren (*). Great :sigh: *nothing personal, you started with that Never forget: "Stay kul and happy" (I.A.)
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Microsoft And Hollywood[^] Just once I would like to see someone on the side of the consumer. I mean really you are going to shut off the video stream to my monitor if my hardware can not support the copy protection? I have been in several fights with friends over Microsoft because I believe in the technology and innovation they have brought to the PC but I gotta tell you no one is going to control me or my computer. Maybe the money I spend don’t mean much to a company like Microsoft and maybe they don’t care about me but if there is enough “me’s” in the world maybe they will start to care. I am done defending XP is a good OS and I will stay with it if that means no DVD’s on my computer then so be it. Anyone else? Will
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Shog9 wrote: What is the purpose of a corporation? Depends on who formed it for what purpose. Some corporations are for-profit, some are *not* for-profit. But the commonality among them all is to protect the founder's and officer's assets.
ahz wrote: protect the founder's and officer's assets. Yup, that's what internet says! Never forget: "Stay kul and happy" (I.A.)
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Yeah, I am ignorant (old story), bad mannered sexist, and I am hitting on Lauren (*). Great :sigh: *nothing personal, you started with that Never forget: "Stay kul and happy" (I.A.)
David's thoughts / dnhsoftware.org / MyHTMLTidydnh wrote: hitting on Lauren LOL! That's not what I meant. She just sounded like she wanted to kick your a**, that's all. LOL. No worries, didn't mean it personal, didn't take it personal. Just having fun. Anyone who gets offended by some anonymous webhead posting has some serious psychological issues regardless of how offensive or tasteless the post. Cheers!