Asp, Jsp, php and other Ps
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I use(d) PHP for a couple of websites and now I hate it. So complex, so *old-C-styled*, so ... squalid. ASP.NET is the best in the world. I don't know JSP, but since I know Java, I can imagine that it is not simple, powerful and consistent (you can understand that I also hate Java :mad:). If you learn ASP.NET, you automatically learn ASP too (that is only the old version of the ASP platform).
[ITA] Tozzi ha ragione: Gaia si sta liberando di noi. [ENG] Tozzi is right: Gaia is obliterating us.
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Slightly OT: Have you used PHP 5.x yet? I have not had a chance to play around with it. About Shog's post, though, I don't think he was putting PHP down -- I think he was just making the point that affordable PHP hosting is more ubiquitous, and so may be a better choice for someone only looking to start up a personal site. Jon Sagara As you may presently yourself be fully made aware of, my grammar sucks. Sagara.org | Blog | My Articles
I can safely say that ALL the webservers in the world support PHP. ASP.NET runs only on Windows servers. Or Linux servers with Mono.
[ITA] Tozzi ha ragione: Gaia si sta liberando di noi. [ENG] Tozzi is right: Gaia is obliterating us.
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I love PHP. My point was that, for a personal website, PHP is far and away the best choice. In other situations, other platforms may be also appropriate.
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Slightly OT: Have you used PHP 5.x yet? I have not had a chance to play around with it. About Shog's post, though, I don't think he was putting PHP down -- I think he was just making the point that affordable PHP hosting is more ubiquitous, and so may be a better choice for someone only looking to start up a personal site. Jon Sagara As you may presently yourself be fully made aware of, my grammar sucks. Sagara.org | Blog | My Articles
yah i use php5 all the time... very nice and very powerful... but then i use oss in all web work so i guess i would be a little biased ... truth is i havnt used any ms specific web technologies for a good 3 years now and i see no good reason to start ... higher tool and server prices ... higher hosting charges ... less flexibility about deployment platforms ... and it all comes down to serving a bunch of html anyways so its not like any of it is any different at the business end of things
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I love PHP. My point was that, for a personal website, PHP is far and away the best choice. In other situations, other platforms may be also appropriate.
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Haven't used ASP.NET (but I have used ASP and PHP) but what, in your opinion, makes it any better than PHP? ¡El diablo está en mis pantalones! ¡Mire, mire! Real Mentats use only 100% pure, unfooled around with Sapho Juice(tm)! SELECT * FROM User WHERE Clue > 0 0 rows returned Save an Orange - Use the VCF!
I really like the fact that C# is strongly-typed, and that you have to declare a variable before you can use it. (I don't remember whether PHP has a "strict" option. I suspect it does, but I remember being bitten in the rear by this "feature" more than once.) But mostly, for me, it's the tools. Server/Html controls. The .NET framework classes. Ability to easily build my own reusable custom controls. Integrated debugging. Now, keep in mind that I haven't done any real PHP development for a couple of years, so there may be much better tools out there now, but moving from Dreamweaver/UltraEdit for PHP to VS.NET for ASP.NET was a huge productivity boost for me. Especially with 2.0 coming out -- the Membership API is a huge time saver, as is the Wizard control. I guess I'm just lazy. ;) Jon Sagara As you may presently yourself be fully made aware of, my grammar sucks. Sagara.org | Blog | My Articles
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I use(d) PHP for a couple of websites and now I hate it. So complex, so *old-C-styled*, so ... squalid. ASP.NET is the best in the world. I don't know JSP, but since I know Java, I can imagine that it is not simple, powerful and consistent (you can understand that I also hate Java :mad:). If you learn ASP.NET, you automatically learn ASP too (that is only the old version of the ASP platform).
[ITA] Tozzi ha ragione: Gaia si sta liberando di noi. [ENG] Tozzi is right: Gaia is obliterating us.
Learning ASP.NET does not mean that you automatically learn ASP.OLD too. I went from coding on mainframes, to ASP.NET. Then picked up some regular old ASP work and it is plenty different. Knowing ASP.NET gives you a good base for being able to figure out ASP. But that doesn't mean that you "know" it.
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I really like the fact that C# is strongly-typed, and that you have to declare a variable before you can use it. (I don't remember whether PHP has a "strict" option. I suspect it does, but I remember being bitten in the rear by this "feature" more than once.) But mostly, for me, it's the tools. Server/Html controls. The .NET framework classes. Ability to easily build my own reusable custom controls. Integrated debugging. Now, keep in mind that I haven't done any real PHP development for a couple of years, so there may be much better tools out there now, but moving from Dreamweaver/UltraEdit for PHP to VS.NET for ASP.NET was a huge productivity boost for me. Especially with 2.0 coming out -- the Membership API is a huge time saver, as is the Wizard control. I guess I'm just lazy. ;) Jon Sagara As you may presently yourself be fully made aware of, my grammar sucks. Sagara.org | Blog | My Articles
OK, so it's more about the actual tools than any language features. Personally I kind of liked PHP, especially compared to ASP. Being able to use C# would be nice however. ¡El diablo está en mis pantalones! ¡Mire, mire! Real Mentats use only 100% pure, unfooled around with Sapho Juice(tm)! SELECT * FROM User WHERE Clue > 0 0 rows returned Save an Orange - Use the VCF!
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yah i use php5 all the time... very nice and very powerful... but then i use oss in all web work so i guess i would be a little biased ... truth is i havnt used any ms specific web technologies for a good 3 years now and i see no good reason to start ... higher tool and server prices ... higher hosting charges ... less flexibility about deployment platforms ... and it all comes down to serving a bunch of html anyways so its not like any of it is any different at the business end of things
how does it (php5) compare to regular php(4.x?)? are there any tools that have the breadth of VS for php5 (or anything planned)? ¡El diablo está en mis pantalones! ¡Mire, mire! Real Mentats use only 100% pure, unfooled around with Sapho Juice(tm)! SELECT * FROM User WHERE Clue > 0 0 rows returned Save an Orange - Use the VCF!
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how does it (php5) compare to regular php(4.x?)? are there any tools that have the breadth of VS for php5 (or anything planned)? ¡El diablo está en mis pantalones! ¡Mire, mire! Real Mentats use only 100% pure, unfooled around with Sapho Juice(tm)! SELECT * FROM User WHERE Clue > 0 0 rows returned Save an Orange - Use the VCF!
ummmmm php is still just a scripting language ... its not a platform in the same sense as .net ... php5 is way cleaner and more object oriented than php4 ... its also faster in terms of a dev ide like vs ... i think dw can do a fairly good job as can several other commercial and a few free ide's ... personally i use a good old text editor (kate - part of kde - on debian) so i dont look around too much ... guess that makes me a dinosaur :->
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OK, so it's more about the actual tools than any language features. Personally I kind of liked PHP, especially compared to ASP. Being able to use C# would be nice however. ¡El diablo está en mis pantalones! ¡Mire, mire! Real Mentats use only 100% pure, unfooled around with Sapho Juice(tm)! SELECT * FROM User WHERE Clue > 0 0 rows returned Save an Orange - Use the VCF!
Jim Crafton wrote: Personally I kind of liked PHP, especially compared to ASP. Absolutely. That's why I learned PHP. :) Jon Sagara As you may presently yourself be fully made aware of, my grammar sucks. Sagara.org | Blog | My Articles
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I really like the fact that C# is strongly-typed, and that you have to declare a variable before you can use it. (I don't remember whether PHP has a "strict" option. I suspect it does, but I remember being bitten in the rear by this "feature" more than once.) But mostly, for me, it's the tools. Server/Html controls. The .NET framework classes. Ability to easily build my own reusable custom controls. Integrated debugging. Now, keep in mind that I haven't done any real PHP development for a couple of years, so there may be much better tools out there now, but moving from Dreamweaver/UltraEdit for PHP to VS.NET for ASP.NET was a huge productivity boost for me. Especially with 2.0 coming out -- the Membership API is a huge time saver, as is the Wizard control. I guess I'm just lazy. ;) Jon Sagara As you may presently yourself be fully made aware of, my grammar sucks. Sagara.org | Blog | My Articles
the reason i like php is (apart from all the cost and platform issues) that it has a c/c++ type syntax which i fond cleaner than the typical vb type script ... of course if i used c# i might be tempted to prefer that but i understand that it has a c/c++ type syntax too i keep meaning to look into c# / .net but frankly none of my clients ask for it (in fact they often ask for non ms solutions due to costs) and i just dont really have the time to learn it for the sake of learning it ... if i ever needed to im sure it wouldnt be a huge strain to get up to speed
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shog9 wrote: "If you want to do a personal website, PHP hosting seems to be a good deal cheaper and more common." l a u r e n wrote: it implies it isnt good for "non-personal" ie business websites :confused: I don't want lessons about manner or sexism, but some english lessons would be handy. How does what Shoq9 said implies what you said?? Never forget: "Stay kul and happy" (I.A.)
David's thoughts / dnhsoftware.org / MyHTMLTidy -- modified at 14:39 Thursday 1st September, 2005 [edit]Hope it isn't offensive, at least I didn't mean it to be offensive. I just don't get it, really. I am not looking for fight this time :rose:[/edit] -
shog9 wrote: "If you want to do a personal website, PHP hosting seems to be a good deal cheaper and more common." l a u r e n wrote: it implies it isnt good for "non-personal" ie business websites :confused: I don't want lessons about manner or sexism, but some english lessons would be handy. How does what Shoq9 said implies what you said?? Never forget: "Stay kul and happy" (I.A.)
David's thoughts / dnhsoftware.org / MyHTMLTidy -- modified at 14:39 Thursday 1st September, 2005 [edit]Hope it isn't offensive, at least I didn't mean it to be offensive. I just don't get it, really. I am not looking for fight this time :rose:[/edit]well if he said "php is a good choice for websites depending on the requirements of the client (ie, are they a microsoft shop)" then i would have taken it to mean the only factor in determining the language was 1. personal prefernce and 2. hosting environment what he actually said (and whether he meant it this way or not is why i asked the question in the first place) implied to me that if u were making a personal website php is fine but for anything more it isnt suitable ... and of course i disagree with that statement ... BUT since i dont know thats what he actually meant i didnt jump in and start disagreeing ... simply trying to clarify a rather unimportant point ;)
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Which of the web dev languages is most popular nowadays? I'm wondering which one to study.
PHP, although pretty nice has a few downsides: (1) poor unicode support and (2) it's not a very productive language due to the lack of standard components. Also, it doesn't encourage a separation of code and HTML, but with a bit of discipline that's no problem. ASP.NET is very nice, productive and easy to get started with. And you get to use Visual Studio. If you want to be as productive as possible you should check out RoR. It's still in beta, and it's not very well documented but it's nonetheless very impressive. http://www.rubyonrails.org/[^] Watch the movie in which somebody creates a functional blog in approximately 30 minutes. Regards, Diederik
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PHP, although pretty nice has a few downsides: (1) poor unicode support and (2) it's not a very productive language due to the lack of standard components. Also, it doesn't encourage a separation of code and HTML, but with a bit of discipline that's no problem. ASP.NET is very nice, productive and easy to get started with. And you get to use Visual Studio. If you want to be as productive as possible you should check out RoR. It's still in beta, and it's not very well documented but it's nonetheless very impressive. http://www.rubyonrails.org/[^] Watch the movie in which somebody creates a functional blog in approximately 30 minutes. Regards, Diederik
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ummmmm php is still just a scripting language ... its not a platform in the same sense as .net ... php5 is way cleaner and more object oriented than php4 ... its also faster in terms of a dev ide like vs ... i think dw can do a fairly good job as can several other commercial and a few free ide's ... personally i use a good old text editor (kate - part of kde - on debian) so i dont look around too much ... guess that makes me a dinosaur :->
l a u r e n wrote: ummmmm php is still just a scripting language ... Check this out: http://www.php-compiler.net/[^] Never forget: "Stay kul and happy" (I.A.)
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l a u r e n wrote: ummmmm php is still just a scripting language ... Check this out: http://www.php-compiler.net/[^] Never forget: "Stay kul and happy" (I.A.)
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Learning ASP.NET does not mean that you automatically learn ASP.OLD too. I went from coding on mainframes, to ASP.NET. Then picked up some regular old ASP work and it is plenty different. Knowing ASP.NET gives you a good base for being able to figure out ASP. But that doesn't mean that you "know" it.
Yes, you're right. Maybe I was too rustic in my affirmations... I mean that ASP syntax is equal to the ASP.NET syntax using VB server side scripts (the scripts embedded inside the HTML code with the <% ... %> tags).
[ITA] Tozzi ha ragione: Gaia si sta liberando di noi. [ENG] Tozzi is right: Gaia is obliterating us.
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Yes, you're right. Maybe I was too rustic in my affirmations... I mean that ASP syntax is equal to the ASP.NET syntax using VB server side scripts (the scripts embedded inside the HTML code with the <% ... %> tags).
[ITA] Tozzi ha ragione: Gaia si sta liberando di noi. [ENG] Tozzi is right: Gaia is obliterating us.
Yes. Actually, if you put a lot of your code in the html then ASP.NET and ASP have a lot in common. I tend to keep most all of my code in the code behind. I did some ASP work (having not done any pure asp in the past) and was surprised at what I didn't know because I just hadn't used ASP.NET that way.