C# vs C++ arguments don't hold for C# vs VB.NET
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This is a continuation of a chat I had with Paul Watson today earlier on Sonork. I was wondering aloud why people who use VB now would want to switch to C#. I am aware that MC++ allows you to mix managed and unmanaged code and allows you the privilege of code optimizations before IL-ing which are not available in the other .NET compilers. Thus there is always a good reason for using MC++ instead of C#. But the same argument won’t hold for C# over VB.NET. Any C# program can be converted line by line [and line for line] into VB.NET or even Fortran.NET. Cause they both totally use the .NET framework classes. So can someone give me 3 good reasons [playing safe here ;-)] why any VB 6 programmer should try C# instead of VB.NET? A Console.WriteLine in any .NET language would smell as sweet and probably taste as good. In fact I find something else very puzzling. C++ programmers are making a big fuss over C#. Also Java programmers. Neither of these people are affected at all. Java programmers can use J# and C++ coders can use MC++. But think of the poor VB 6 programmers. VB.NET is so totally different for them from VB 6 and yet they suffer in silence. We don;t hear any complaints or any fuss made. I find it amazing that I havent found VB 6 coders compaining abt the HUGE jump they need to make to adjust to VB.NET even as C++ coders are making a big deal over nothing. Regards Nish Nish was here, now Nish has gone; He left his soul, to turn you on; Those who knew Nish, knew him well; Those who didn't, can go to hell. I like to :jig: on the Code Project Sonork ID 100.9786 voidmain www.busterboy.org
Nish [BusterBoy] wrote: and yet they suffer in silence. you're listening in the wrong place. VB programmers are very upset about the changes (or, they were a year ago when the changes were announced). Nish [BusterBoy] wrote: So can someone give me 3 good reasons [playing safe here ] why any VB 6 programmer should try C# instead of VB.NET? 1. since MS has submitted C# to a standards body, there's less of a chance they'll do to C# the kinds of things they can to VB: change fundamental aspects of the language at will. though i suppose, given MS's record on such things, they'll probably extend the C# language whenever it suits their marketing needs. 2. it has "C" in the name. if they learn C#, they can pretend they're playing with the big boys, C and C++. 3. there is no Fight Club -c
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This is a continuation of a chat I had with Paul Watson today earlier on Sonork. I was wondering aloud why people who use VB now would want to switch to C#. I am aware that MC++ allows you to mix managed and unmanaged code and allows you the privilege of code optimizations before IL-ing which are not available in the other .NET compilers. Thus there is always a good reason for using MC++ instead of C#. But the same argument won’t hold for C# over VB.NET. Any C# program can be converted line by line [and line for line] into VB.NET or even Fortran.NET. Cause they both totally use the .NET framework classes. So can someone give me 3 good reasons [playing safe here ;-)] why any VB 6 programmer should try C# instead of VB.NET? A Console.WriteLine in any .NET language would smell as sweet and probably taste as good. In fact I find something else very puzzling. C++ programmers are making a big fuss over C#. Also Java programmers. Neither of these people are affected at all. Java programmers can use J# and C++ coders can use MC++. But think of the poor VB 6 programmers. VB.NET is so totally different for them from VB 6 and yet they suffer in silence. We don;t hear any complaints or any fuss made. I find it amazing that I havent found VB 6 coders compaining abt the HUGE jump they need to make to adjust to VB.NET even as C++ coders are making a big deal over nothing. Regards Nish Nish was here, now Nish has gone; He left his soul, to turn you on; Those who knew Nish, knew him well; Those who didn't, can go to hell. I like to :jig: on the Code Project Sonork ID 100.9786 voidmain www.busterboy.org
Nish [BusterBoy] wrote: But think of the poor VB 6 programmers. VB.NET is so totally different for them from VB 6 and yet they suffer in silence. We don;t hear any complaints or any fuss made. The infamous VB6 rants // Fazlul
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This is a continuation of a chat I had with Paul Watson today earlier on Sonork. I was wondering aloud why people who use VB now would want to switch to C#. I am aware that MC++ allows you to mix managed and unmanaged code and allows you the privilege of code optimizations before IL-ing which are not available in the other .NET compilers. Thus there is always a good reason for using MC++ instead of C#. But the same argument won’t hold for C# over VB.NET. Any C# program can be converted line by line [and line for line] into VB.NET or even Fortran.NET. Cause they both totally use the .NET framework classes. So can someone give me 3 good reasons [playing safe here ;-)] why any VB 6 programmer should try C# instead of VB.NET? A Console.WriteLine in any .NET language would smell as sweet and probably taste as good. In fact I find something else very puzzling. C++ programmers are making a big fuss over C#. Also Java programmers. Neither of these people are affected at all. Java programmers can use J# and C++ coders can use MC++. But think of the poor VB 6 programmers. VB.NET is so totally different for them from VB 6 and yet they suffer in silence. We don;t hear any complaints or any fuss made. I find it amazing that I havent found VB 6 coders compaining abt the HUGE jump they need to make to adjust to VB.NET even as C++ coders are making a big deal over nothing. Regards Nish Nish was here, now Nish has gone; He left his soul, to turn you on; Those who knew Nish, knew him well; Those who didn't, can go to hell. I like to :jig: on the Code Project Sonork ID 100.9786 voidmain www.busterboy.org
Becuase I, as a VB6 programmer, would much rather write:
if(something)
{
// do something
}than write:
IF something THEN
'do something
END IFThe ability to use block comments alone is enough of a reason for me to switch. Jason Gerard
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Nish [BusterBoy] wrote: and yet they suffer in silence. you're listening in the wrong place. VB programmers are very upset about the changes (or, they were a year ago when the changes were announced). Nish [BusterBoy] wrote: So can someone give me 3 good reasons [playing safe here ] why any VB 6 programmer should try C# instead of VB.NET? 1. since MS has submitted C# to a standards body, there's less of a chance they'll do to C# the kinds of things they can to VB: change fundamental aspects of the language at will. though i suppose, given MS's record on such things, they'll probably extend the C# language whenever it suits their marketing needs. 2. it has "C" in the name. if they learn C#, they can pretend they're playing with the big boys, C and C++. 3. there is no Fight Club -c
Smaller Animals Software, Inc. You're the icing - on the cake - on the table - at my wake. Modest Mouse
Chris Losinger wrote: you're listening in the wrong place. VB programmers are very upset about the changes That is perhaps true. I don't visit VB forums at all. The only VB people I know are Paul, Tweety and Roger W. Roger and Tweety seem totally unaware that C# exists and Paul sounds quite enthusiastic about it. Chris Losinger wrote: there is no Fight Club You mean VB.NET will fight with VB 6 and C++ will fight MC++. But since C# is a first-timer, there won't be fights? If so I disagree. Everyone from VB to C++ coders [even those abominable Java guys] have a problem with C# or seem to have a problem at any case. Nish Nish was here, now Nish has gone; He left his soul, to turn you on; Those who knew Nish, knew him well; Those who didn't, can go to hell. I like to :jig: on the Code Project Sonork ID 100.9786 voidmain www.busterboy.org
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Nish [BusterBoy] wrote: and yet they suffer in silence. you're listening in the wrong place. VB programmers are very upset about the changes (or, they were a year ago when the changes were announced). Nish [BusterBoy] wrote: So can someone give me 3 good reasons [playing safe here ] why any VB 6 programmer should try C# instead of VB.NET? 1. since MS has submitted C# to a standards body, there's less of a chance they'll do to C# the kinds of things they can to VB: change fundamental aspects of the language at will. though i suppose, given MS's record on such things, they'll probably extend the C# language whenever it suits their marketing needs. 2. it has "C" in the name. if they learn C#, they can pretend they're playing with the big boys, C and C++. 3. there is no Fight Club -c
Smaller Animals Software, Inc. You're the icing - on the cake - on the table - at my wake. Modest Mouse
Chris Losinger wrote: 3. there is no Fight Club :-D Excellent movie. Jon Sagara What about :bob:? Sonork ID: 100.9999 jonsagara
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Jon Sagara wrote: Excellent movie. :confused: :confused: :confused: That is indeed a very peculiar response, I say. Nish Nish was here, now Nish has gone; He left his soul, to turn you on; Those who knew Nish, knew him well; Those who didn't, can go to hell. I like to :jig: on the Code Project Sonork ID 100.9786 voidmain www.busterboy.org
Haven't you ever seen the movie Fight Club? The number one rule of Fight Club is There Is No Fight Club. (If I remember correctly) Jon Sagara What about :bob:? Sonork ID: 100.9999 jonsagara
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Nish [BusterBoy] wrote: But think of the poor VB 6 programmers. VB.NET is so totally different for them from VB 6 and yet they suffer in silence. We don;t hear any complaints or any fuss made. The infamous VB6 rants // Fazlul
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Fazlul Kabir wrote: The infamous VB6 rants Thanks :-) Nish Nish was here, now Nish has gone; He left his soul, to turn you on; Those who knew Nish, knew him well; Those who didn't, can go to hell. I like to :jig: on the Code Project Sonork ID 100.9786 voidmain www.busterboy.org
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Chris Losinger wrote: 3. there is no Fight Club :-D Excellent movie. Jon Sagara What about :bob:? Sonork ID: 100.9999 jonsagara
Jon Sagara wrote: Excellent movie. :confused: :confused: :confused: That is indeed a very peculiar response, I say. Nish Nish was here, now Nish has gone; He left his soul, to turn you on; Those who knew Nish, knew him well; Those who didn't, can go to hell. I like to :jig: on the Code Project Sonork ID 100.9786 voidmain www.busterboy.org
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Chris Losinger wrote: you're listening in the wrong place. VB programmers are very upset about the changes That is perhaps true. I don't visit VB forums at all. The only VB people I know are Paul, Tweety and Roger W. Roger and Tweety seem totally unaware that C# exists and Paul sounds quite enthusiastic about it. Chris Losinger wrote: there is no Fight Club You mean VB.NET will fight with VB 6 and C++ will fight MC++. But since C# is a first-timer, there won't be fights? If so I disagree. Everyone from VB to C++ coders [even those abominable Java guys] have a problem with C# or seem to have a problem at any case. Nish Nish was here, now Nish has gone; He left his soul, to turn you on; Those who knew Nish, knew him well; Those who didn't, can go to hell. I like to :jig: on the Code Project Sonork ID 100.9786 voidmain www.busterboy.org
Nish [BusterBoy] wrote: there is no Fight Club You've never seen the movie Fight Club? cheers, Chris Maunder
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Becuase I, as a VB6 programmer, would much rather write:
if(something)
{
// do something
}than write:
IF something THEN
'do something
END IFThe ability to use block comments alone is enough of a reason for me to switch. Jason Gerard
Jason Gerard wrote: Becuase I, as a VB6 programmer, would much rather write: if(something){ // do something} than write:IF something THEN 'do somethingEND IF Huh? Then why didnt you jump to C++? C++ existed for so long and you wait till now? Jason Gerard wrote: The ability to use block comments alone is enough of a reason for me to switch Yeah, that sucks big-time. I find that a problem when I do ASP. Nish Nish was here, now Nish has gone; He left his soul, to turn you on; Those who knew Nish, knew him well; Those who didn't, can go to hell. I like to :jig: on the Code Project Sonork ID 100.9786 voidmain www.busterboy.org
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Jon Sagara wrote: Haven't you ever seen the movie Fight Club? No, I haven't. I am not exactly a movie buff. Nish Nish was here, now Nish has gone; He left his soul, to turn you on; Those who knew Nish, knew him well; Those who didn't, can go to hell. I like to :jig: on the Code Project Sonork ID 100.9786 voidmain www.busterboy.org
OIC. Well, if you like movies directed at the 18-34 year old male demographic, then you'll probably like this flick. Jon Sagara What about :bob:? Sonork ID: 100.9999 jonsagara
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Haven't you ever seen the movie Fight Club? The number one rule of Fight Club is There Is No Fight Club. (If I remember correctly) Jon Sagara What about :bob:? Sonork ID: 100.9999 jonsagara
Jon Sagara wrote: Haven't you ever seen the movie Fight Club? No, I haven't. I am not exactly a movie buff. Nish Nish was here, now Nish has gone; He left his soul, to turn you on; Those who knew Nish, knew him well; Those who didn't, can go to hell. I like to :jig: on the Code Project Sonork ID 100.9786 voidmain www.busterboy.org
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Haven't you ever seen the movie Fight Club? The number one rule of Fight Club is There Is No Fight Club. (If I remember correctly) Jon Sagara What about :bob:? Sonork ID: 100.9999 jonsagara
Actually the first rule of Fight Club is that you DO NOT TALK ABOUT FIGHT CLUB. We just both broke the rule :omg: Cheers, Tom Archer Author, Inside C#
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Actually the first rule of Fight Club is that you DO NOT TALK ABOUT FIGHT CLUB. We just both broke the rule :omg: Cheers, Tom Archer Author, Inside C#
:-D Looks like it's time for me to rent Fight Club again. Jon Sagara What about :bob:? Sonork ID: 100.9999 jonsagara
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Chris Maunder wrote: You've never seen the movie Fight Club? Hmmm. I fail to see why this should be a surprise to you. Jon Sagara seemed quite shocked by this as well. Yes I am guilty regarding that. I have not watched that movie yet :-) I even went to that link Jon posted but it gave me a page not found error when I clicked on a link that said quarter page quick time. I didnt dare to click the full page quick time link. Now can someone kindly tell me what this movie is all about an dwhy it puzzles people that I havent seen it? Is it about a C++ programmer who is tormented by his step-mother who forces him to use VB? If so, I better skip it. I am a sensitive guy ;-) Nish Nish was here, now Nish has gone; He left his soul, to turn you on; Those who knew Nish, knew him well; Those who didn't, can go to hell. I like to :jig: on the Code Project Sonork ID 100.9786 voidmain www.busterboy.org
Here's a description along with about 900 reviews :) Amazon Reviews Cheers, Tom Archer Author, Inside C#
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Nish [BusterBoy] wrote: there is no Fight Club You've never seen the movie Fight Club? cheers, Chris Maunder
Chris Maunder wrote: You've never seen the movie Fight Club? Hmmm. I fail to see why this should be a surprise to you. Jon Sagara seemed quite shocked by this as well. Yes I am guilty regarding that. I have not watched that movie yet :-) I even went to that link Jon posted but it gave me a page not found error when I clicked on a link that said quarter page quick time. I didnt dare to click the full page quick time link. Now can someone kindly tell me what this movie is all about an dwhy it puzzles people that I havent seen it? Is it about a C++ programmer who is tormented by his step-mother who forces him to use VB? If so, I better skip it. I am a sensitive guy ;-) Nish Nish was here, now Nish has gone; He left his soul, to turn you on; Those who knew Nish, knew him well; Those who didn't, can go to hell. I like to :jig: on the Code Project Sonork ID 100.9786 voidmain www.busterboy.org
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OIC. Well, if you like movies directed at the 18-34 year old male demographic, then you'll probably like this flick. Jon Sagara What about :bob:? Sonork ID: 100.9999 jonsagara
Jon Sagara wrote: Well, if you like movies directed at the 18-34 year old male demographic, then you'll probably like this flick. Hmmm. Dunno what kind of movies fall into that category. I kinda like these types of movies :- Terminator - 2 LA Story Big Daddy True Lies Commando Tango and Cash Rambo series Police Story - 3 Lethal Weapon - 4 Omen - 2 Jewel of the nile etc.... Nish Nish was here, now Nish has gone; He left his soul, to turn you on; Those who knew Nish, knew him well; Those who didn't, can go to hell. I like to :jig: on the Code Project Sonork ID 100.9786 voidmain www.busterboy.org
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Here's a description along with about 900 reviews :) Amazon Reviews Cheers, Tom Archer Author, Inside C#
Tom Archer wrote: Here's a description along with about 900 reviews Amazon Reviews Thanks :-) Nish Nish was here, now Nish has gone; He left his soul, to turn you on; Those who knew Nish, knew him well; Those who didn't, can go to hell. I like to :jig: on the Code Project Sonork ID 100.9786 voidmain www.busterboy.org
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Jon Sagara wrote: Well, if you like movies directed at the 18-34 year old male demographic, then you'll probably like this flick. Hmmm. Dunno what kind of movies fall into that category. I kinda like these types of movies :- Terminator - 2 LA Story Big Daddy True Lies Commando Tango and Cash Rambo series Police Story - 3 Lethal Weapon - 4 Omen - 2 Jewel of the nile etc.... Nish Nish was here, now Nish has gone; He left his soul, to turn you on; Those who knew Nish, knew him well; Those who didn't, can go to hell. I like to :jig: on the Code Project Sonork ID 100.9786 voidmain www.busterboy.org
Of course I can't speak for you, but by looking at your list of likes, I'd say that you'll probably like Fight Club. Jon Sagara What about :bob:? Sonork ID: 100.9999 jonsagara
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This is a continuation of a chat I had with Paul Watson today earlier on Sonork. I was wondering aloud why people who use VB now would want to switch to C#. I am aware that MC++ allows you to mix managed and unmanaged code and allows you the privilege of code optimizations before IL-ing which are not available in the other .NET compilers. Thus there is always a good reason for using MC++ instead of C#. But the same argument won’t hold for C# over VB.NET. Any C# program can be converted line by line [and line for line] into VB.NET or even Fortran.NET. Cause they both totally use the .NET framework classes. So can someone give me 3 good reasons [playing safe here ;-)] why any VB 6 programmer should try C# instead of VB.NET? A Console.WriteLine in any .NET language would smell as sweet and probably taste as good. In fact I find something else very puzzling. C++ programmers are making a big fuss over C#. Also Java programmers. Neither of these people are affected at all. Java programmers can use J# and C++ coders can use MC++. But think of the poor VB 6 programmers. VB.NET is so totally different for them from VB 6 and yet they suffer in silence. We don;t hear any complaints or any fuss made. I find it amazing that I havent found VB 6 coders compaining abt the HUGE jump they need to make to adjust to VB.NET even as C++ coders are making a big deal over nothing. Regards Nish Nish was here, now Nish has gone; He left his soul, to turn you on; Those who knew Nish, knew him well; Those who didn't, can go to hell. I like to :jig: on the Code Project Sonork ID 100.9786 voidmain www.busterboy.org
Nish [BusterBoy] wrote: Paul Watson Is he in hiding? Haven't heard from him in a while. Jon Sagara What about :bob:? Sonork ID: 100.9999 jonsagara