IS LAUREN A BIGOT?

Jorgen Sigvardsson

...makes lovely poems. -- Look straight into the light!

TheGreatAndPowerfulOz

I never said she can't have an opinion different than mine. Not that she needs my permission, but she can have and hold whatever opinions she wants to. But, if she, or anyone else for that matter, chooses to espouse those opinions, then it is incumbent upon that opinion holder/espouser to be able defend such opinions with thoughful, reasoned arguments. When opinions are made such that an entire class of people are denigrated, then that is not just an opinion, it becomes a stereotype. If someone were to say "green people are lazy" that certainly is an opionion, but it also makes that person a bigot when they hold to an opinion that is so easily disproved. So it is with lauren, she holds that religion causes bad stuff and posts a link of dubious quality to support such a dubious "opinion." When it is pointed out that the article she posted linked to is of poor quality she goes on the offensive and rather than apologize she attacks the individual.

Jorgen Sigvardsson

I think you nailed it. :) -- Look straight into the light!

El Corazon

khorjak wrote: Is idiot a name? A person of profound mental retardation having a mental age below three years and generally being unable to learn connected speech or guard against common dangers. The term belongs to a medical classification system no longer in use and is now considered offensive. [Middle English, ignorant person, from Old French idiote, from Latin idita, from Greek idits, private person, layman, from idios, own, private. See s(w)e- in Indo-European Roots.] It is interesting to note that its use as a slang term, deliberately to be offensive changed a medical classification system to drop the use of the term. For all the complaints of PC movement now, it has been happening as part of our language since the invention of language. The original term means a private person, someone who is incapable of learning to deal with a larger world, or a person with autism which would be trapped in a private world, and was an appropriate descriptive term until it was used as an insult. An idiot savant was not an oxymoron until the adoption of slang it was a person with gifted computational capability, an enherant rather than learned ability, yet without the capability of learning social/interactive or any other skills already in possession past the equivalent age of 3. _________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)

TheGreatAndPowerfulOz

Christian Graus wrote: A Christian should show through action why walking with God is a positive thing Agreed. My statement was merely another way of saying the same thing. Christian Graus wrote: You seem to be thinking You obviously know nothing of what I think.

Christian Graus

ahz wrote: then it is incumbent upon that opinion holder/espouser to be able defend such opinions with thoughful, reasoned arguments. Why ? She doesn't even appear to be staning by the study as fact ? Why is she only allowed an opinion if she is able to meet your academic standard ? If she was being openly hateful, that would be different. She's not., ahz wrote: she holds that religion causes bad stuff Sadly, it often does. The Crusades, the KKK, Nazi Germany, child abuse by clery, you name it. Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++

TheGreatAndPowerfulOz

Douglas Troy wrote: pure and holy Glad to see you finally recognize it. LOL.

TheGreatAndPowerfulOz

Christian Graus wrote: Why ? Because she demands it of other people and it's a reasonable request. If you can't defend your opinion, then either keep it to yourself or say so. People cause bad stuff and often hide behind their religion to justify it. That doesn't mean religion caused it. That doesn't make that or any other religion necessarily bad.

Christian Graus

ahz wrote: You obviously know nothing of what I think. Well, that would be your fault. I can only judge your thoughts by your words. Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++

El Corazon

Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote: ...makes lovely poems. Words (June 1999) Words, Like blades fall. Stabbing at the soul. Tearing unseen flesh. Words, Edged with malice, Deliberately spoken, The weapon of the "civilized." Words, Chosen for effect, No weapon is deadlier, For it destroys from within. _________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)

Christian Graus

ahz wrote: Because she demands it of other people and it's a reasonable request. If you can't defend your opinion, then either keep it to yourself or say so. I have never got the impression that Lauren has trouble defending her position. I believe her that in this case, she thought the link was funny. Just because it isn't to you ( or me ), doesn't mean it wasn't to her. Why not just take her at her word, instead of making yourself look bad with this carry on ? ahz wrote: People cause bad stuff and often hide behind their religion to justify it. That doesn't mean religion caused it. That doesn't make that or any other religion necessarily bad Agreed - but I understand how people who are not in any way religious would be less likely to make that seperation. Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++

Nemanja Trifunovic

Christian Graus wrote: The Crusades, the KKK, Nazi Germany, child abuse by clery, Without going into this Laureen discussion, what religion caused Nazi Germany? Nazi means national socialism and they were driven by nationalism, not any religion. In fact, they were often quoting Darwin theory as a justification for their actions.

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realJSOP

no, lauren is not a bigot, but you're most definitely an idiot... ------- sig starts "I've heard some drivers saying, 'We're going too fast here...'. If you're not here to race, go the hell home - don't come here and grumble about going too fast. Why don't you tie a kerosene rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001

realJSOP

I don't consider that a "wrong" idea . :) ------- sig starts "I've heard some drivers saying, 'We're going too fast here...'. If you're not here to race, go the hell home - don't come here and grumble about going too fast. Why don't you tie a kerosene rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001

FlyingTinman

I'm only seeing one bigot in this thread and that wouldn't change if lauren chose to post a reply here. Steve T

Mike Ellison

Ummm... no? Perhaps a better question you should ask yourself is: "Why am I obsessed with Lauren?" Seriously - think about it. The nature of your post isn't just to vent a frustration - it is specifically to solicit other people to express ill-will toward an individual. It's not enough for you to feel negatively toward Lauren - you want other people to feel negatively about her too. Why? Even if you had a beef with someone, why would you want to solicit others to share in your negative experience? What good does that do for you? I'm not surprised by the response you've gotten. I think many would read your post and wonder more "What's this guy's problem?" rather than "Wow, that person he attacked is really a bigot."

realJSOP

Go find a definition of "bigot". An opinion, by it's very nature, cannot be proven or disproven in any sense of either term. An opinion is how someone feels about something, and may or may not be based on fact, experience, idea, intellect, or any other method by which they arrived at said opinion. A bigot is not simply someone that has an opinion which is wildly different from your own. I swear, the number of users that are registered here has significantly reduced the average IQ of the group as a whole. You're a bigger fuckin moron that I initially assumed and are probably a big contributer to the IQ drain... Lauren is much loved here, and anyone attacking her like this is going to call down the wrath of most of the other frequent users. Final point, dipshit - her post was in the soapbox, and you posting this crap in the lounge qualifies as stepping solidly on your dick. ------- sig starts "I've heard some drivers saying, 'We're going too fast here...'. If you're not here to race, go the hell home - don't come here and grumble about going too fast. Why don't you tie a kerosene rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001

TheGreatAndPowerfulOz

Thank you for your well said and well thought-out post. It actually wasn't my intent to solicit negative input toward lauren. Rather, I wanted someone to defend her and her point of view. I have yet to see any post that successfully does so. Only attacks. But you have a good point. It was a wrong way to go about it. I sincerely apologize to you and everyone else and especially to lauren.

Anna Jayne Metcalfe

Not necessarily. As a Transsexual Christian I know more about bigotry and intolerance in religion than many people, and what I saw was ill thought out opinionated remarks. Not bigotry by a long way. You both should also have posted in the Soapbox. This isn't the place. :rose: Anna :rose: Riverblade Ltd - Software Consultancy Services Anna's Place | Tears and Laughter "Be yourself - not what others think you should be" - Marcia Graesch "Anna's just a sexy-looking lesbian tart" - A friend, trying to wind me up. It didn't work.

TheGreatAndPowerfulOz

Thanks for the thoughtful reply.