Companies can't keep employees from bringing guns to work
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It's not about the destination but the journey there. Would you like to be broken down on the road in Detroit (or Miami) at 4 or 5 AM on your way to work? Concealed weapon holders are the most law abiding segment of the population. They are not the ones you need to worry about but the ones who intend to do harm do not care about rules or laws. I mean come on if someone is going to come to work and shoot up the place are they goign to stop and think.... well this rule about not bringing a gun into work made me stop my homicidal rampage through the office?
I live in the UK, so guns are an alien culture to most of us. In the UK to be broken down anywhere at 4 a.m. is unlikely to be a problem, anyone approching you would most likely only want to help you. As in all countries that is not 100% guaranteed but the chances of coming to any harm a miniscule.
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It lets the guy who just got fired cool down instead of being able to walk outside to his car, get his gun and give his notice point blank to the boss. regards, Paul Watson South Africa Colib and ilikecameras. K(arl) wrote: oh, and BTW, CHRISTIAN ISN'T A PARADOX, HE IS A TASMANIAN!
Again the type of person who would do thatt will have a gun regardless of permits or rules. With 36 states allowing this how many instaces have you heard about? How many concelaed weapon permit holders have done this at all? How many times have we heard the blood will flow in the streets? Yet it has not happened. but heck if I break in your house and you harm me my family can sue you and will win... What a backwards way of living.
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In? :omg: [edit] Ah, I see the original was changed. Good thing too. [/edit] regards, Paul Watson South Africa Colib and ilikecameras. K(arl) wrote: oh, and BTW, CHRISTIAN ISN'T A PARADOX, HE IS A TASMANIAN! -- modified at 7:26 Monday 3rd October, 2005
In, on. Semantics. ;) -- Keep talking! I'm the preacher, you're the fool!
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I live in the UK, so guns are an alien culture to most of us. In the UK to be broken down anywhere at 4 a.m. is unlikely to be a problem, anyone approching you would most likely only want to help you. As in all countries that is not 100% guaranteed but the chances of coming to any harm a miniscule.
"An education isn't how much you have committed to memory, or even how much you know. It's being able to differentiate between what you do know and what you don't." - Anatole France
But your crime rate (and gun crime) is rising. All this allows is a person the chance to protect themselves. Call 911 and wait for them to arrive. When they do arrive it is too late. It is a miniscule chance that a person with a peermit will ever have to use it but when they do it allows them to go home tot their family. If they do not have it their family will proably be without that person. given a chance to continue to provide for my family I will do so. Remember that office shooting in boston a few years ago? One of those killed was a CCW holder. he was not allowed to bring his gun to work. but that restriction did not stop thee shooter. Oh and he, the shooter, did not have a permit.
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Again the type of person who would do thatt will have a gun regardless of permits or rules. With 36 states allowing this how many instaces have you heard about? How many concelaed weapon permit holders have done this at all? How many times have we heard the blood will flow in the streets? Yet it has not happened. but heck if I break in your house and you harm me my family can sue you and will win... What a backwards way of living.
I am OK with you having a gun so long as you keep it the hell away from me and don't have easy access to it when we have a yelling match over using Visual Basic at work. How about the company tax those who bring guns to work so that an office gun safe can be bought. Anyone who wants to protect themselves on their daily comute* can then hand their gun in on the way into the office. Someone everyone trusts can then hold the keys/code to the safe and be the judge of whether the person checking their gun out is in a rational frame of mind (i.e. not drunk, not enraged.) That person should be called when a gun owner is fired too. * I understand that need. Here in South Africa having your car break down on the side of the road at night is not a good thing. Lot more dangerous than the States. regards, Paul Watson South Africa Colib and ilikecameras. K(arl) wrote: oh, and BTW, CHRISTIAN ISN'T A PARADOX, HE IS A TASMANIAN!
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In, on. Semantics. ;) -- Keep talking! I'm the preacher, you're the fool!
Is that what you tell your bondage partners? regards, Paul Watson South Africa Colib and ilikecameras. K(arl) wrote: oh, and BTW, CHRISTIAN ISN'T A PARADOX, HE IS A TASMANIAN!
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Again the type of person who would do thatt will have a gun regardless of permits or rules. With 36 states allowing this how many instaces have you heard about? How many concelaed weapon permit holders have done this at all? How many times have we heard the blood will flow in the streets? Yet it has not happened. but heck if I break in your house and you harm me my family can sue you and will win... What a backwards way of living.
L_u_r_k_e_r wrote: Again the type of person who would do thatt will have a gun regardless of permits or rules. wrong
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Is that what you tell your bondage partners? regards, Paul Watson South Africa Colib and ilikecameras. K(arl) wrote: oh, and BTW, CHRISTIAN ISN'T A PARADOX, HE IS A TASMANIAN!
I don't speak with my bondage partners. We don't use words. ;) -- Keep talking! I'm the preacher, you're the fool!
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I don't speak with my bondage partners. We don't use words. ;) -- Keep talking! I'm the preacher, you're the fool!
Sign language? Man, you are freaky. I have never heard of a "deaf bondage partner" fetish before... regards, Paul Watson South Africa Colib and ilikecameras. K(arl) wrote: oh, and BTW, CHRISTIAN ISN'T A PARADOX, HE IS A TASMANIAN!
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I don't speak with my bondage partners. We don't use words. ;) -- Keep talking! I'm the preacher, you're the fool!
You guys must have really kinky kid sisters, huh?
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Sign language? Man, you are freaky. I have never heard of a "deaf bondage partner" fetish before... regards, Paul Watson South Africa Colib and ilikecameras. K(arl) wrote: oh, and BTW, CHRISTIAN ISN'T A PARADOX, HE IS A TASMANIAN!
Sign language, yes. I have this plack latex and leather paddle, which has this sign on one side: "Slap this side on ass". :rolleyes: --
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You guys must have really kinky kid sisters, huh?
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"Florida businesses could soon face criminal charges if they try to stop employees from bringing guns to work in their cars" http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/local/florida/sfl-guns1002,0,4768146.story?coll=sfla-news-florida From a UK perspective, it is unbelievable that there could be a lobby to allow employees to bring guns into work and leave them in their locked vehicles!
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Ted Ferenc wrote: From a UK perspective, it is unbelievable that there could be a lobby to allow employees to bring guns into work and leave them in their locked vehicles! Is it? Personaly I find it unbelievable that owning a BB gun in this Nanny State paradise can carry a 6 year mandatory prison sentence. But I'm wierd. Ryan
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L_u_r_k_e_r wrote: Again the type of person who would do thatt will have a gun regardless of permits or rules. wrong
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boost your code || Fold With Us! || sighist | doxygenReally. Post instances of conncealed weapon permit holders who have done that? Here is a link to the Michigan concealed weapon annual report. Look at the "crimes" permit holders commit. http://www.michigan.gov/msp/0,1607,7-123-1591_3503_4654-77621--,00.html[^] Comapre those to the FBI stats. If you live in one of thee 35+ states that allow CCW I am sure someone around you has a gun on them. You just do not know it.
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But your crime rate (and gun crime) is rising. All this allows is a person the chance to protect themselves. Call 911 and wait for them to arrive. When they do arrive it is too late. It is a miniscule chance that a person with a peermit will ever have to use it but when they do it allows them to go home tot their family. If they do not have it their family will proably be without that person. given a chance to continue to provide for my family I will do so. Remember that office shooting in boston a few years ago? One of those killed was a CCW holder. he was not allowed to bring his gun to work. but that restriction did not stop thee shooter. Oh and he, the shooter, did not have a permit.
L_u_r_k_e_r wrote: But your crime rate (and gun crime) is rising. Yes, but gun crime in the UK is about 1/10000 th per capita (yes one ten thousandth) of that in the US. Does it look like we have a gun problem now? As an example having a quick look at the stats, in 2001 there was about 3,000 crimes nation wide that "involed a gun". i.e. someone was stopped and searched and found to have a gun - which is illegal in the UK. Owning a gun is illegal, and being caught with one counts as gun crime. This is not even murders (never mind just gun merders), which compared to the US is practically zero. Last year there were 97 gun related murders for the whole nation of 60 million people. You get that in one bad city in the US over the weekend!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! So before you start talking about gun crime, it could be just that the UK police are getting better at catching people with guns, and the majority of these are in inner cites where the majority of gun crime takes place. The past two years the police have been focusing on gun crime deaths, for which about 99% are black on black shootings between drug gangs. -- modified at 8:32 Monday 3rd October, 2005
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L_u_r_k_e_r wrote: But your crime rate (and gun crime) is rising. Yes, but gun crime in the UK is about 1/10000 th per capita (yes one ten thousandth) of that in the US. Does it look like we have a gun problem now? As an example having a quick look at the stats, in 2001 there was about 3,000 crimes nation wide that "involed a gun". i.e. someone was stopped and searched and found to have a gun - which is illegal in the UK. Owning a gun is illegal, and being caught with one counts as gun crime. This is not even murders (never mind just gun merders), which compared to the US is practically zero. Last year there were 97 gun related murders for the whole nation of 60 million people. You get that in one bad city in the US over the weekend!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! So before you start talking about gun crime, it could be just that the UK police are getting better at catching people with guns, and the majority of these are in inner cites where the majority of gun crime takes place. The past two years the police have been focusing on gun crime deaths, for which about 99% are black on black shootings between drug gangs. -- modified at 8:32 Monday 3rd October, 2005
Ahh but you have fallen into the lil trap.. Owning a gun is illeagal in the UK but you still have gun crime. And that crime is rising. So making it illeagal to own a gun only hurts those who follwed the law. Criminals don't care if they break 3 loaws or 10 at a time but you think it is ok to stop me from protecting myself from them. Giles wrote: The past two years the police have been focusing on gun crime deaths, for which about 99% are black on black shootings between drug gangs. Yes and if they are under 20 they will be counted as Kid crimes as well. Giles wrote: This is not even murders (never mind just gun merders), which compared to the US is practically zero. Last year there were 97 gun related murders for the whole nation of 60 million people. You get that in one bad city in the US over the weekend!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Now talk about blowing smoke stats. Maybe in a quarter in the worst city. But them again we have 400 mil people. And I happen to work in one of the top 3. Sso why do I have to wait for the po-po to show up? Oh and they are 5 calls behind when they get in a car for the shift, plus many many layoffs this year in their force.
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Ahh but you have fallen into the lil trap.. Owning a gun is illeagal in the UK but you still have gun crime. And that crime is rising. So making it illeagal to own a gun only hurts those who follwed the law. Criminals don't care if they break 3 loaws or 10 at a time but you think it is ok to stop me from protecting myself from them. Giles wrote: The past two years the police have been focusing on gun crime deaths, for which about 99% are black on black shootings between drug gangs. Yes and if they are under 20 they will be counted as Kid crimes as well. Giles wrote: This is not even murders (never mind just gun merders), which compared to the US is practically zero. Last year there were 97 gun related murders for the whole nation of 60 million people. You get that in one bad city in the US over the weekend!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Now talk about blowing smoke stats. Maybe in a quarter in the worst city. But them again we have 400 mil people. And I happen to work in one of the top 3. Sso why do I have to wait for the po-po to show up? Oh and they are 5 calls behind when they get in a car for the shift, plus many many layoffs this year in their force.
L_u_r_k_e_r wrote: Ahh but you have fallen into the lil trap.. Owning a gun is illeagal in the UK but you still have gun crime. And that crime is rising. So making it illeagal to own a gun only hurts those who follwed the law. Criminals don't care if they break 3 loaws or 10 at a time but you think it is ok to stop me from protecting myself from them. Guns are not banned outright. You can still own rifles and shotguns here. Handguns are banned, though you may be able to get 2.2 sports hand gund. Thing is criminals don't just go on wild shootings at the general public either. The rise has been entirely due to criminal on criminal crime between gangs. Its why people in the UK really don't care about owning a gun to protect themselves because its not a problem. In fact banning had guns has proved to be totally ineffective agaist gund crime. Its an old article but the stats have been the same year on year. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/1440764.stm[^] What you cannot deny is that gun crime in the US is the highest for any western country. People draw the simple conclusion that its related to gun ownership. I DO NOT BELIVE THIS!!! I think its much more of a culture problem in the US. People in the US love guns! Its not the case in Europe at all. They are a useful tool when used correctly. I grew up on a farm. I also did sports rifle shooting at school, and to this day, while I've used them a lot, I still feel waery of guns, and am always very careful with them. I would feel very uncomfortable wearning a hand gun, or having one concealed. You will find nearly all Europeans feel the same way. In the US guns are a macho thing. Using them is a right of passage to manhood. Its not the case here. Its from that that I belive the US has a problem with guns, and why gun crime is so high in the US - People teaching their kids that guns are cool, and they make you a man - Gun crime in the US is a man problem. Nearly every houshold in Switzerland has a gun in it, yet they don't have gun crime. Why? Its back down to the culture in the US which is also a paranoid culture. I'm not against guns, I just think people should start being less reactionary about them, and take them for what they actually are. A tool designed for killing. Not something to be advertised by an oiled up model in a bikini.
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Beg. On your knees. Now! :~ So uh, that paddle, I've got a ping pong table here we can use. regards, Paul Watson South Africa Colib and ilikecameras. K(arl) wrote: oh, and BTW, CHRISTIAN ISN'T A PARADOX, HE IS A TASMANIAN!
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"Florida businesses could soon face criminal charges if they try to stop employees from bringing guns to work in their cars" http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/local/florida/sfl-guns1002,0,4768146.story?coll=sfla-news-florida From a UK perspective, it is unbelievable that there could be a lobby to allow employees to bring guns into work and leave them in their locked vehicles!
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Ted Ferenc wrote: From a UK perspective, it is unbelievable that there could be a lobby to allow employees to bring guns into work and leave them in their locked vehicles! Out of curiosity: Are the Welsh longbows[^] now forbidden in UK?
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