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Jim Crafton wrote:
yeah that actually looks kind of cool. Hey maybe we could put a CP team together!
Go for it, you can hike it or run it, both are commendable efforts. _________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
Run it? Good god, I got the impression it was strictly hiking - I can't fathom running 26 miles over terrain like that, unless they're talking about paces like the ultra-marathoners use of around 9-10 minute miles or slower. ¡El diablo está en mis pantalones! ¡Mire, mire! Real Mentats use only 100% pure, unfooled around with Sapho Juice(tm)! SELECT * FROM User WHERE Clue > 0 0 rows returned Save an Orange - Use the VCF!
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Yeah I have been fascinated by reading about what various people reccomend for S.E.A.L trainging, and what the Navy seems to emphasize. Running, endurance, practical aerobic strength seems to be emphasized much more than anything you'd get out of a weight room. Which is cool, that's stuff I can actually do and stick with mentally - working out in a weight room (or gym) just utterly bores me to tears. ¡El diablo está en mis pantalones! ¡Mire, mire! Real Mentats use only 100% pure, unfooled around with Sapho Juice(tm)! SELECT * FROM User WHERE Clue > 0 0 rows returned Save an Orange - Use the VCF!
Yeah, beleive it or not they still do weights. That stuff you read about carrying around a wet log or an IBS on your head... That's all aimed at strength. Sometimes the instructor hops on just make it easier. All the aerobic stuff is because they want you to be outdoors and miserable. Combat environments don't have stairmasters, they are sand dunes, jungles you know that miserable crap to be in... Don't get me wrong it's aerobic but when you deploy you are usually humping between 40 and 80 pounds and that might be over several hundred miles. So in all that aerobic conditioning is a lot of *strength* and conditioning. Have you ever loaded up a good frame pack with books, rocks or weights. You can actually stick about 40 pounds in there go for a 10 mile walk and really screw yourself up good. You can do this year around and in any weather conditions at all if you have the right gear. It's a lot of fun to do honestly. You feel good when you are done. About a month ago we walked all over seattle. I had my 40 pound son on my shoulders and my 30 pound daughter cradled on my hip most of the time. We were doing brisk walking and let me tell you... My calves were burning and my quads were just not responding at all... - Rex
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Run it? Good god, I got the impression it was strictly hiking - I can't fathom running 26 miles over terrain like that, unless they're talking about paces like the ultra-marathoners use of around 9-10 minute miles or slower. ¡El diablo está en mis pantalones! ¡Mire, mire! Real Mentats use only 100% pure, unfooled around with Sapho Juice(tm)! SELECT * FROM User WHERE Clue > 0 0 rows returned Save an Orange - Use the VCF!
No one runs the sand pits, or hell-hill (death hill, or other various names for it), but you will find the marathoners take the dirt roads/trails faster. three hours for rough desert terrain is nothing to sneeze at.
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MARCH 20, 2005
INDIVIDUAL OVERALL RESULTSPlace Gun_tm Split Chip_tm Pace Name City,state Div/Tot Div
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1 2:52:43 1:58:33 2:49:21 6:28 MICHAEL SCHAEDLE ALAMOGORDO NM 1/303 MO40L 2 2:58:59 2:01:06 2:55:37 6:43 MILES BARON LOS ALAMOS NM 2/303 MO40L 3 3:03:12 2:01:06 2:59:50 6:52 BRIAN CRONE SANTA FE NM 1/361 ML 4 3:05:25 2:04:41 3:02:03 6:57 MANUEL PORTES FT BLISS TX 2/361 ML 5 3:18:59 2:12:54 3:15:37 7:28 ERIC CLIFTON ALBUQUERQUE NM 3/303 MO40L 6 3:25:14 2:08:20 3:21:19 7:41 EMIL ARDELEAN ALBUQUERQUE NM 3/361 ML_________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
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Jim Crafton wrote:
But I can feel the "addiction" part start to happen, when I miss a day, I get antsy, and really berate myself for wimping out.
That right there is what keeps you going. If you get into a slump your body is telling you to change your routine a bit. If you are really limited to a small space to work out and cannot get to a health club then you'll have to get creative. You can pretty much kill yourself with 25 pound free weights. I'd pick up a pair should be around 75 cents a pound. Then plan your work-outs. You gotta have a routine and you have to have goals. Software engineering isn't the only thing that needs planning, checkpoints, code-reviews and deliverables. Most things in life that wear you down do require these things. Make sure you are doing what you need to do. The most important thing is to be realistic. My work outs nearly kill me and I know that. When I'm at a restaurant and something looks good I order it. Not all the time but just enough to not feel trapped. I try to eat right 80% of the time and then the 20% I don't is enjoyed not guilt-ridden. You gotta have balance or you do burn out. When the weather and the seasons change you can do some different things to stay fit. If you live in a large city find a safe building with lots of stairs and kill yourself. There's a lot you can do this time of year you just have to plan it and then make it happen. :) I wish I wasn't such a butt-head. Most of the time it really is a strength but people don't notice when it's a strength they only notice when it's a weakness. I did get a huge compliment at the hospital last week for it though. Of course the staff doesn't realize that it was my butt-headedness driving my success they just thought I was being an awesome dad. They were right but it's my desire to never quit, never give up and never surrender that keeps my daughter alive and keeps me in a good mood while I'm doing it. I say this just to point out that my stubborness is usually a good thing. But I can screw that up pretty quickly too.:sigh: Oh well. What can you do? You just have some days better than others I guess...:->
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code-frog wrote:
cannot get to a health club
Oh I can get to one. The problem is the surroundings. I went once to the two of the closest ones near us to see if they had swimming (neither did). What they did have is a large selection of drop dead young women in skin tight lycra. Now I don't know about you, but I have been cursed (or blessed, I suppose) with both a high libido, and an overactive imagination. I simply don't need that kind of distraction in my life at this point :) So I'll stick to working out at home, thanks :)
code-frog wrote:
Then plan your work-outs. You gotta have a routine and you have to have goals.
Yeah I think I need to work out another set of goals - I had some real basic ones when summer started (drop weight, reach a certain number of miles/time running, etc), but recently I have been without any, so that needs to be worked on I suppose. The BUDS worksheet was the closest thing I had, but I simply can't progress as fast as they move, not after a 12 year hiatus :)
code-frog wrote:
I wish I wasn't such a butt-head.
Eh don't worry about it, there are worse things, besides, it means you always have somplace to sit! :) ¡El diablo está en mis pantalones! ¡Mire, mire! Real Mentats use only 100% pure, unfooled around with Sapho Juice(tm)! SELECT * FROM User WHERE Clue > 0 0 rows returned Save an Orange - Use the VCF!
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Yeah, beleive it or not they still do weights. That stuff you read about carrying around a wet log or an IBS on your head... That's all aimed at strength. Sometimes the instructor hops on just make it easier. All the aerobic stuff is because they want you to be outdoors and miserable. Combat environments don't have stairmasters, they are sand dunes, jungles you know that miserable crap to be in... Don't get me wrong it's aerobic but when you deploy you are usually humping between 40 and 80 pounds and that might be over several hundred miles. So in all that aerobic conditioning is a lot of *strength* and conditioning. Have you ever loaded up a good frame pack with books, rocks or weights. You can actually stick about 40 pounds in there go for a 10 mile walk and really screw yourself up good. You can do this year around and in any weather conditions at all if you have the right gear. It's a lot of fun to do honestly. You feel good when you are done. About a month ago we walked all over seattle. I had my 40 pound son on my shoulders and my 30 pound daughter cradled on my hip most of the time. We were doing brisk walking and let me tell you... My calves were burning and my quads were just not responding at all... - Rex
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code-frog wrote:
ave you ever loaded up a good frame pack with books, rocks or weights.
You know I've been considering this, we live next to the park (it's about 1.5 miles, a complete loops about 3.5-4m) or walking across to Manhattan. I take it a regular backpack isn't going to cut it? Have to look up what a frame pack is. ¡El diablo está en mis pantalones! ¡Mire, mire! Real Mentats use only 100% pure, unfooled around with Sapho Juice(tm)! SELECT * FROM User WHERE Clue > 0 0 rows returned Save an Orange - Use the VCF!
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No one runs the sand pits, or hell-hill (death hill, or other various names for it), but you will find the marathoners take the dirt roads/trails faster. three hours for rough desert terrain is nothing to sneeze at.
BATAAN MEMORIAL DEATH MARCH
MARCH 20, 2005
INDIVIDUAL OVERALL RESULTSPlace Gun_tm Split Chip_tm Pace Name City,state Div/Tot Div
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1 2:52:43 1:58:33 2:49:21 6:28 MICHAEL SCHAEDLE ALAMOGORDO NM 1/303 MO40L 2 2:58:59 2:01:06 2:55:37 6:43 MILES BARON LOS ALAMOS NM 2/303 MO40L 3 3:03:12 2:01:06 2:59:50 6:52 BRIAN CRONE SANTA FE NM 1/361 ML 4 3:05:25 2:04:41 3:02:03 6:57 MANUEL PORTES FT BLISS TX 2/361 ML 5 3:18:59 2:12:54 3:15:37 7:28 ERIC CLIFTON ALBUQUERQUE NM 3/303 MO40L 6 3:25:14 2:08:20 3:21:19 7:41 EMIL ARDELEAN ALBUQUERQUE NM 3/361 ML_________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
Holy Crap! Under 3 hours! Damn that's friggin impressive! ¡El diablo está en mis pantalones! ¡Mire, mire! Real Mentats use only 100% pure, unfooled around with Sapho Juice(tm)! SELECT * FROM User WHERE Clue > 0 0 rows returned Save an Orange - Use the VCF!
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Jim Crafton wrote:
If you can do it, run with him! It is such a total PITA doing this alone.
It's even worse loosing weight alone. I have got a hell of a looong way to go before I can attempt a marathon. I can do 7 or 8 miles at my size now which is darn near amazing. But not 26 miles through desert terrain, 8 miles of which is through soft sand, which has been known to lay-low the strongest street marathoner. I'll give it a shot, I keep my promises, but I am 2 years out or more from such an attempt. I did 10 deep knee bends with no weight at the health club. The guy next to me was smiling until he heard some college students laughing from the dumb-bell area (fitting). He was listening to me when I was talking the fitness coach, warning her that no weight for me was equivalent of tossing 175lbs on anyone else in the gym and to keep that in mind with the exersizes. The fact that I am mobile is enough of a challenge, I just got to keep it up. oh, and the guy next to me, was quite fit... he went and explained the same to the kids... challenged them to do just that, toss enough weight on the bar to bring the total combined weight to equal to mine and try to do the same excersizes as I was. They weren't laughing. :) I'm working, just don't expect miracles. _________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
Kids are such assholes sometimes :) ¡El diablo está en mis pantalones! ¡Mire, mire! Real Mentats use only 100% pure, unfooled around with Sapho Juice(tm)! SELECT * FROM User WHERE Clue > 0 0 rows returned Save an Orange - Use the VCF!
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code-frog wrote:
ave you ever loaded up a good frame pack with books, rocks or weights.
You know I've been considering this, we live next to the park (it's about 1.5 miles, a complete loops about 3.5-4m) or walking across to Manhattan. I take it a regular backpack isn't going to cut it? Have to look up what a frame pack is. ¡El diablo está en mis pantalones! ¡Mire, mire! Real Mentats use only 100% pure, unfooled around with Sapho Juice(tm)! SELECT * FROM User WHERE Clue > 0 0 rows returned Save an Orange - Use the VCF!
Frame packs keep the weight off your back (it doesn't rest across your back, well it does) instead they use a metal, alloy or plastic frame to distribute the load to uniform places typically shoulders and hips. A regular shoulder pack can handle about 20 pounds comfortably. Frame packs can take up to 100+ pounds. It's a great way to add a lot of burn to what you are doing. If you can get uneven terrain then you'll be miserable in no time. It's great to get out that way too. Nice to see the sky, smell the earth and generally bust yourself. - Rex
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Buy the best tactical boots you can, ask your local swat team. Only purchase boots you can try out. I used to run in combat boots alla time, the new army combat boots are very cool. Expensive though. ............................. There's nothing like the sound of incoming rifle and mortar rounds to cure the blues. No matter how down you are, you take an active and immediate interest in life. Fiat justitia, et ruat cælum
Well I was surprised when I looked at them after googling a bit. They were nothing like I expected! I guess I had images of MASH Army boots in my mind :) But these things are like a weird mixture of running shoes and construction boots all mixed together - they actually looked pretty damn comfortable. ¡El diablo está en mis pantalones! ¡Mire, mire! Real Mentats use only 100% pure, unfooled around with Sapho Juice(tm)! SELECT * FROM User WHERE Clue > 0 0 rows returned Save an Orange - Use the VCF!
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Frame packs keep the weight off your back (it doesn't rest across your back, well it does) instead they use a metal, alloy or plastic frame to distribute the load to uniform places typically shoulders and hips. A regular shoulder pack can handle about 20 pounds comfortably. Frame packs can take up to 100+ pounds. It's a great way to add a lot of burn to what you are doing. If you can get uneven terrain then you'll be miserable in no time. It's great to get out that way too. Nice to see the sky, smell the earth and generally bust yourself. - Rex
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Yeah this might be a good idea to hike through Central Park with. The park near us, and our whole area, is almost completely flat. But Central Park has a number of rises and trails that would do the trick, or at least better than nothing. ¡El diablo está en mis pantalones! ¡Mire, mire! Real Mentats use only 100% pure, unfooled around with Sapho Juice(tm)! SELECT * FROM User WHERE Clue > 0 0 rows returned Save an Orange - Use the VCF!
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Frame packs keep the weight off your back (it doesn't rest across your back, well it does) instead they use a metal, alloy or plastic frame to distribute the load to uniform places typically shoulders and hips. A regular shoulder pack can handle about 20 pounds comfortably. Frame packs can take up to 100+ pounds. It's a great way to add a lot of burn to what you are doing. If you can get uneven terrain then you'll be miserable in no time. It's great to get out that way too. Nice to see the sky, smell the earth and generally bust yourself. - Rex
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Is this something that could be purchased on ebay (i.e. is it likely to fall apart quickly)? $2-300 is a tad more than I can justify for something that just gonna be used to work out. ¡El diablo está en mis pantalones! ¡Mire, mire! Real Mentats use only 100% pure, unfooled around with Sapho Juice(tm)! SELECT * FROM User WHERE Clue > 0 0 rows returned Save an Orange - Use the VCF!
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Frame packs keep the weight off your back (it doesn't rest across your back, well it does) instead they use a metal, alloy or plastic frame to distribute the load to uniform places typically shoulders and hips. A regular shoulder pack can handle about 20 pounds comfortably. Frame packs can take up to 100+ pounds. It's a great way to add a lot of burn to what you are doing. If you can get uneven terrain then you'll be miserable in no time. It's great to get out that way too. Nice to see the sky, smell the earth and generally bust yourself. - Rex
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One other thing (stupid question) does it matter whether it's external or internal frame? ¡El diablo está en mis pantalones! ¡Mire, mire! Real Mentats use only 100% pure, unfooled around with Sapho Juice(tm)! SELECT * FROM User WHERE Clue > 0 0 rows returned Save an Orange - Use the VCF!
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Is this something that could be purchased on ebay (i.e. is it likely to fall apart quickly)? $2-300 is a tad more than I can justify for something that just gonna be used to work out. ¡El diablo está en mis pantalones! ¡Mire, mire! Real Mentats use only 100% pure, unfooled around with Sapho Juice(tm)! SELECT * FROM User WHERE Clue > 0 0 rows returned Save an Orange - Use the VCF!
Gosh, I'm thinking $50 or so. If you have an Army/Navy surplus check there to. You can get "internal" frame packs from a sporting goods store pretty cheap. I've got a Kelty that I picked up years ago for $70 and I know they've come down since then.
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One other thing (stupid question) does it matter whether it's external or internal frame? ¡El diablo está en mis pantalones! ¡Mire, mire! Real Mentats use only 100% pure, unfooled around with Sapho Juice(tm)! SELECT * FROM User WHERE Clue > 0 0 rows returned Save an Orange - Use the VCF!
Price matters most. Internal frame should be able to hang with 50 pounds or so. Check the weight rating on the pack. I think internal frame is a *wad* cheaper so that's the way I'd go.
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Gosh, I'm thinking $50 or so. If you have an Army/Navy surplus check there to. You can get "internal" frame packs from a sporting goods store pretty cheap. I've got a Kelty that I picked up years ago for $70 and I know they've come down since then.
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Just out of curiousity, what on earth is an ALICE pack for? ¡El diablo está en mis pantalones! ¡Mire, mire! Real Mentats use only 100% pure, unfooled around with Sapho Juice(tm)! SELECT * FROM User WHERE Clue > 0 0 rows returned Save an Orange - Use the VCF!
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Price matters most. Internal frame should be able to hang with 50 pounds or so. Check the weight rating on the pack. I think internal frame is a *wad* cheaper so that's the way I'd go.
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Yeah I see a whole slew of entries on ebay for both. And a hell of a lot cheaper than REI :) I can't believe I'm even considering this - I can just imagine the look on my wife's face when I go tromping out the door, back-pack slung on my back, on the way to the subway :) ¡El diablo está en mis pantalones! ¡Mire, mire! Real Mentats use only 100% pure, unfooled around with Sapho Juice(tm)! SELECT * FROM User WHERE Clue > 0 0 rows returned Save an Orange - Use the VCF!
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Just out of curiousity, what on earth is an ALICE pack for? ¡El diablo está en mis pantalones! ¡Mire, mire! Real Mentats use only 100% pure, unfooled around with Sapho Juice(tm)! SELECT * FROM User WHERE Clue > 0 0 rows returned Save an Orange - Use the VCF!
It's obviously an acronym. The pack itself is used in 1000 different configurations and that's the idea... This should cover your questions...[^]
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It's obviously an acronym. The pack itself is used in 1000 different configurations and that's the idea... This should cover your questions...[^]
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Gotta love military acronyms. MOLLE and ALICE :) Do they have a department specifically tasked to come up with this? ¡El diablo está en mis pantalones! ¡Mire, mire! Real Mentats use only 100% pure, unfooled around with Sapho Juice(tm)! SELECT * FROM User WHERE Clue > 0 0 rows returned Save an Orange - Use the VCF!
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Price matters most. Internal frame should be able to hang with 50 pounds or so. Check the weight rating on the pack. I think internal frame is a *wad* cheaper so that's the way I'd go.
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OK found the pack I want to get: back-pack on ebay[^] I *swear* I'm just interested in the pack! Honestly! :rolleyes: ¡El diablo está en mis pantalones! ¡Mire, mire! Real Mentats use only 100% pure, unfooled around with Sapho Juice(tm)! SELECT * FROM User WHERE Clue > 0 0 rows returned Save an Orange - Use the VCF!
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OK found the pack I want to get: back-pack on ebay[^] I *swear* I'm just interested in the pack! Honestly! :rolleyes: ¡El diablo está en mis pantalones! ¡Mire, mire! Real Mentats use only 100% pure, unfooled around with Sapho Juice(tm)! SELECT * FROM User WHERE Clue > 0 0 rows returned Save an Orange - Use the VCF!
I couldn't find a carry weight rating for it. Google for K-CLIFFS and see what it's capacity/weight is. It's a 3500CI for volume but don't know it's load bearing...
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