I Think I'm Done With CodeProject
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Until these most/all of these issues are addressed: 1) The site simply cannot support the number of users it has attracted. There seems to be anywhere from 6,500 to 9,000 users online at any given time, and this is crushing the site's ability to exist. If I'm not greeted with a 500 error, the pages takes its sweet bloody time scratching itself onto the screen. It takes even longer to display the front page of the lounge. 2) The message boards are completely inadequate because of the sheer number of posts that are submitted. Posts scroll out of freakin site after only a few hours because of the way the forums work. Despite what people think, many of us have freakin jobs and need sleep every once in a while, and we simply can't monitor the site 24/7. Until a real forum system is installed, I won't be posting any more. If you're not using one because you can't find one written with ASP.NET, that's a piss-poor excuse to ignore an obvious problem on the site. 3) The fact that people can post anonymously has been a thorn in the site's side since the forums were created. There's apparently no way to IP ban people from posting, or there's no desire to do it. Whichever is the case, it's unacceptable. 4) General forum abuse is rampant. Despite obvious instructions to not post programming questions in the Lounge, people do it, and then at least 30 people point out to the offender that they screwed up. The net effect is that more desireable posts fall off the edge of the world never to be seen by people who might be interested in reading or responding to them. 5) The voting system is at least three shades past stupid, and is obviously being abused, especially where the programming articles are concerned. I know I'm not the only person here that's been a victim of this problem. Now, some of you (people that don't know me) may say "so what, this guys is a dick and he rarely contributes anything anyway", but if the problem is large enough for me to post this message, then you can bet there are plenty of other users that feel the same way but are trying to be more tolerant and simply haven't been pushed quite hard enough to say anything. I've been here 5 years (in December), have posted over 5000 messages in these "forums", and have submitted 12 articles, thinking contributing to the site would do somebody some good. I respect Chris and his team, and honestly appreciate what he's trying to do on CodeProject, but I've simply had enough. The site is crumbling under the weight of the user base, the qualit
Maybe one way to solve the forum problem would be to colapse the initial message. This way all we would see when entering the forum would be the threads, but we could expand them like we do this any message. After expand the first message, we would see the same we see here. Now a question is Codeproject running on IIS 6? ASP is slower in IIS6 than in IIS 5 , right?
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Until these most/all of these issues are addressed: 1) The site simply cannot support the number of users it has attracted. There seems to be anywhere from 6,500 to 9,000 users online at any given time, and this is crushing the site's ability to exist. If I'm not greeted with a 500 error, the pages takes its sweet bloody time scratching itself onto the screen. It takes even longer to display the front page of the lounge. 2) The message boards are completely inadequate because of the sheer number of posts that are submitted. Posts scroll out of freakin site after only a few hours because of the way the forums work. Despite what people think, many of us have freakin jobs and need sleep every once in a while, and we simply can't monitor the site 24/7. Until a real forum system is installed, I won't be posting any more. If you're not using one because you can't find one written with ASP.NET, that's a piss-poor excuse to ignore an obvious problem on the site. 3) The fact that people can post anonymously has been a thorn in the site's side since the forums were created. There's apparently no way to IP ban people from posting, or there's no desire to do it. Whichever is the case, it's unacceptable. 4) General forum abuse is rampant. Despite obvious instructions to not post programming questions in the Lounge, people do it, and then at least 30 people point out to the offender that they screwed up. The net effect is that more desireable posts fall off the edge of the world never to be seen by people who might be interested in reading or responding to them. 5) The voting system is at least three shades past stupid, and is obviously being abused, especially where the programming articles are concerned. I know I'm not the only person here that's been a victim of this problem. Now, some of you (people that don't know me) may say "so what, this guys is a dick and he rarely contributes anything anyway", but if the problem is large enough for me to post this message, then you can bet there are plenty of other users that feel the same way but are trying to be more tolerant and simply haven't been pushed quite hard enough to say anything. I've been here 5 years (in December), have posted over 5000 messages in these "forums", and have submitted 12 articles, thinking contributing to the site would do somebody some good. I respect Chris and his team, and honestly appreciate what he's trying to do on CodeProject, but I've simply had enough. The site is crumbling under the weight of the user base, the qualit
John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
- The site simply cannot support the number of users it has attracted. There seems to be anywhere from 6,500 to 9,000 users online at any given time, and this is crushing the site's ability to exist. If I'm not greeted with a 500 error, the pages takes its sweet bloody time scratching itself onto the screen. It takes even longer to display the front page of the lounge.
The 500s don't bother me. The fact that it took 1 minute to render the lounge so I could click on your message does annoy me. It is more noticeable in FireFox than it was in IE.
John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
- The message boards are completely inadequate because of the sheer number of posts that are submitted. Posts scroll out of freakin site after only a few hours because of the way the forums work. Despite what people think, many of us have freakin jobs and need sleep every once in a while, and we simply can't monitor the site 24/7. Until a real forum system is installed, I won't be posting any more. If you're not using one because you can't find one written with ASP.NET, that's a piss-poor excuse to ignore an obvious problem on the site.
I was always against the latest-updated-thread at the top of the forum idea, but having spent some time at other forums I kind of like having all the recently posted to threads at the top,
John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
- The fact that people can post anonymously has been a thorn in the site's side since the forums were created. There's apparently no way to IP ban people from posting, or there's no desire to do it. Whichever is the case, it's unacceptable.
Chris has been IP banning the trolls recently... but with all things there are always ways around this. I've reduced my amount of time spent at CP, mainly because the noise ratio had increased by so much. I know Chris is working to address the problems you've brought up but only so much can be done with limited time and resources. I hope you reconsider your decision to leave as you are one of the posters who make things interesting around here :-D Michael CP Blog [
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Until these most/all of these issues are addressed: 1) The site simply cannot support the number of users it has attracted. There seems to be anywhere from 6,500 to 9,000 users online at any given time, and this is crushing the site's ability to exist. If I'm not greeted with a 500 error, the pages takes its sweet bloody time scratching itself onto the screen. It takes even longer to display the front page of the lounge. 2) The message boards are completely inadequate because of the sheer number of posts that are submitted. Posts scroll out of freakin site after only a few hours because of the way the forums work. Despite what people think, many of us have freakin jobs and need sleep every once in a while, and we simply can't monitor the site 24/7. Until a real forum system is installed, I won't be posting any more. If you're not using one because you can't find one written with ASP.NET, that's a piss-poor excuse to ignore an obvious problem on the site. 3) The fact that people can post anonymously has been a thorn in the site's side since the forums were created. There's apparently no way to IP ban people from posting, or there's no desire to do it. Whichever is the case, it's unacceptable. 4) General forum abuse is rampant. Despite obvious instructions to not post programming questions in the Lounge, people do it, and then at least 30 people point out to the offender that they screwed up. The net effect is that more desireable posts fall off the edge of the world never to be seen by people who might be interested in reading or responding to them. 5) The voting system is at least three shades past stupid, and is obviously being abused, especially where the programming articles are concerned. I know I'm not the only person here that's been a victim of this problem. Now, some of you (people that don't know me) may say "so what, this guys is a dick and he rarely contributes anything anyway", but if the problem is large enough for me to post this message, then you can bet there are plenty of other users that feel the same way but are trying to be more tolerant and simply haven't been pushed quite hard enough to say anything. I've been here 5 years (in December), have posted over 5000 messages in these "forums", and have submitted 12 articles, thinking contributing to the site would do somebody some good. I respect Chris and his team, and honestly appreciate what he's trying to do on CodeProject, but I've simply had enough. The site is crumbling under the weight of the user base, the qualit
I really share your feelings, although i'm pained to criticise, because I, like others are very grateful for the hard work chris & the team put into this site. But it really needs a new coat of paint. You can get some understanding of why the site can be slow, and falls over, when you consider a few things:- The main c# general articles page (which I won't link to, because people will click it), currently stands at a whopping 772 Kb. And that's not including images, stylesheets or anything. 772 Kb is riduculous. The page needs splitting, urgently. And most of that 772 Kb is presumably dynamic, so some poor sql server is getting a pounding every time the page is loaded. As I write this, the first page of the lounge is at 145 Kb. The text of every message is inside the page; and displayed with some Javascript and DHTML. Again this is unneccessary data to be pulled from the DB, and sent to the client. It seems CP site code was written for when the site was a lot smaller, and hasn't scaled well at all. Chris, Is there anything we can do to help you make some improvements? And to make it worse, the little nipple type mouse pointing stick thing on my laptop keypad has fallen off.
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Maybe one way to solve the forum problem would be to colapse the initial message. This way all we would see when entering the forum would be the threads, but we could expand them like we do this any message. After expand the first message, we would see the same we see here. Now a question is Codeproject running on IIS 6? ASP is slower in IIS6 than in IIS 5 , right?
Max Santos wrote:
Maybe one way to solve the forum problem would be to colapse the initial message. This way all we would see when entering the forum would be the threads, but we could expand them like we do this any message. After expand the first message, we would see the same we see here.
You already have that option. Just select "Thread View" in your message preferences. Anna :rose: Riverblade Ltd - Software Consultancy Services Anna's Place | Tears and Laughter "Be yourself - not what others think you should be" - Marcia Graesch "Anna's just a sexy-looking lesbian tart" - A friend, trying to wind me up. It didn't work.
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What does the country of origin have to do with it? CP is international. Elaine :rose: The tigress is here :-D
Trollslayer wrote:
What does the country of origin have to do with it? CP is international.
The sad truth is, that I can pretty much pinpoint plagarized articles by the author's name (and therefore assumed nationality) and the content of the article (as in, the content does not match what I would expect from the author). Here's[^] a perfect example. Yes, I do typecasting. So sue me. It works, and it works for a reason. Marc My website Traceract Understanding Simple Data Binding Diary Of A CEO - Preface
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Trollslayer wrote:
What does the country of origin have to do with it? CP is international.
The sad truth is, that I can pretty much pinpoint plagarized articles by the author's name (and therefore assumed nationality) and the content of the article (as in, the content does not match what I would expect from the author). Here's[^] a perfect example. Yes, I do typecasting. So sue me. It works, and it works for a reason. Marc My website Traceract Understanding Simple Data Binding Diary Of A CEO - Preface
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Max Santos wrote:
Maybe one way to solve the forum problem would be to colapse the initial message. This way all we would see when entering the forum would be the threads, but we could expand them like we do this any message. After expand the first message, we would see the same we see here.
You already have that option. Just select "Thread View" in your message preferences. Anna :rose: Riverblade Ltd - Software Consultancy Services Anna's Place | Tears and Laughter "Be yourself - not what others think you should be" - Marcia Graesch "Anna's just a sexy-looking lesbian tart" - A friend, trying to wind me up. It didn't work.
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Trollslayer wrote:
What does the country of origin have to do with it? CP is international.
The sad truth is, that I can pretty much pinpoint plagarized articles by the author's name (and therefore assumed nationality) and the content of the article (as in, the content does not match what I would expect from the author). Here's[^] a perfect example. Yes, I do typecasting. So sue me. It works, and it works for a reason. Marc My website Traceract Understanding Simple Data Binding Diary Of A CEO - Preface
Marc Clifton wrote:
Here's[^] a perfect example.
Hello Marc, That specific article is from a Pakistani member (according to his profile) - so it's not really Indian. But you are right, statistically, authors from India and Pakistan have lead the plagiarizing author list. I've discussed this with Smitha and Chris a few times in the past, but somehow I haven't figured out why this is so. Nish :-(
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Trollslayer wrote:
What does the country of origin have to do with it? CP is international.
The sad truth is, that I can pretty much pinpoint plagarized articles by the author's name (and therefore assumed nationality) and the content of the article (as in, the content does not match what I would expect from the author). Here's[^] a perfect example. Yes, I do typecasting. So sue me. It works, and it works for a reason. Marc My website Traceract Understanding Simple Data Binding Diary Of A CEO - Preface
I've deleted the article. BTW Marc, it'd help if some of the CP Protectors here could tag such articles and post about it in the editors and protectors forum :rolleyes:
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norm.net wrote:
Oh and lets not forget, the quality of articles has gone downhill
I filter articles to see only the C++ ones, and they are still great :)
My programming blahblahblah blog. If you ever find anything useful here, please let me know to remove it.
Nemanja Trifunovic wrote:
I filter articles to see only the C++ ones, and they are still great
:-D
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I've deleted the article. BTW Marc, it'd help if some of the CP Protectors here could tag such articles and post about it in the editors and protectors forum :rolleyes:
Nishant Sivakumar wrote:
BTW Marc, it'd help if some of the CP Protectors here could tag such articles and post about it in the editors and protectors forum
Actually, pretty much every time I come across one of these I've posted about it. The incidence rate seems to have gone down a lot lately, or I'm getting rusty. :) Marc My website Traceract Understanding Simple Data Binding Diary Of A CEO - Preface
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Marc Clifton wrote:
Here's[^] a perfect example.
Hello Marc, That specific article is from a Pakistani member (according to his profile) - so it's not really Indian. But you are right, statistically, authors from India and Pakistan have lead the plagiarizing author list. I've discussed this with Smitha and Chris a few times in the past, but somehow I haven't figured out why this is so. Nish :-(
Nishant Sivakumar wrote:
But you are right, statistically, authors from India and Pakistan have lead the plagiarizing author list. I've discussed this with Smitha and Chris a few times in the past, but somehow I haven't figured out why this is so.
It seems there are a lot of people trying to get into programming for the lucrative rewards are using codeproject as vehicle to promote their "so called" knowledge, mainly around .net. Take at look at the past to submissions. Nish, these guys are giving professional programmers from your county a bad name. Blogless
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:omg: This has just come in to CodeProject, I'm sorry but this is the kind of noise CP now attracts, this article almosts begs believe. How to Convert a String to Byte and Vice-Versa[^] Stuff you can lookup in MSDN :wtf: Blogless
norm.net wrote:
This has just come in to CodeProject, I'm sorry but this is the kind of noise CP now attracts, this article almosts begs believe. How to Convert a String to Byte and Vice-Versa[^]
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Nishant Sivakumar wrote:
BTW Marc, it'd help if some of the CP Protectors here could tag such articles and post about it in the editors and protectors forum
Actually, pretty much every time I come across one of these I've posted about it. The incidence rate seems to have gone down a lot lately, or I'm getting rusty. :) Marc My website Traceract Understanding Simple Data Binding Diary Of A CEO - Preface
Marc Clifton wrote:
Actually, pretty much every time I come across one of these I've posted about it.
I know, I was just teasing you :-)
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Nishant Sivakumar wrote:
But you are right, statistically, authors from India and Pakistan have lead the plagiarizing author list. I've discussed this with Smitha and Chris a few times in the past, but somehow I haven't figured out why this is so.
It seems there are a lot of people trying to get into programming for the lucrative rewards are using codeproject as vehicle to promote their "so called" knowledge, mainly around .net. Take at look at the past to submissions. Nish, these guys are giving professional programmers from your county a bad name. Blogless
norm.net wrote:
It seems there are a lot of people trying to get into programming for the lucrative rewards are using codeproject as vehicle to promote their "so called" knowledge, mainly around .net. Take at look at the past to submissions.
Yes, some people try to get their resumes more impressive by posting crap or copy/pasted articles. In fact, just before every MVP nomination cycle, we suddenly have a rush of new articles - some people try to nominate themselves as MVPs on the basis of half a dozen quickly written low-quality articles.
norm.net wrote:
Nish, these guys are giving professional programmers from your county a bad name.
I guess so - when you and Marc (and several others) just state the truth about it, I feel very sad about it. I know you guys aren't racially prejudiced and that you are just stating things as they are, but it still hurts :-(
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Until these most/all of these issues are addressed: 1) The site simply cannot support the number of users it has attracted. There seems to be anywhere from 6,500 to 9,000 users online at any given time, and this is crushing the site's ability to exist. If I'm not greeted with a 500 error, the pages takes its sweet bloody time scratching itself onto the screen. It takes even longer to display the front page of the lounge. 2) The message boards are completely inadequate because of the sheer number of posts that are submitted. Posts scroll out of freakin site after only a few hours because of the way the forums work. Despite what people think, many of us have freakin jobs and need sleep every once in a while, and we simply can't monitor the site 24/7. Until a real forum system is installed, I won't be posting any more. If you're not using one because you can't find one written with ASP.NET, that's a piss-poor excuse to ignore an obvious problem on the site. 3) The fact that people can post anonymously has been a thorn in the site's side since the forums were created. There's apparently no way to IP ban people from posting, or there's no desire to do it. Whichever is the case, it's unacceptable. 4) General forum abuse is rampant. Despite obvious instructions to not post programming questions in the Lounge, people do it, and then at least 30 people point out to the offender that they screwed up. The net effect is that more desireable posts fall off the edge of the world never to be seen by people who might be interested in reading or responding to them. 5) The voting system is at least three shades past stupid, and is obviously being abused, especially where the programming articles are concerned. I know I'm not the only person here that's been a victim of this problem. Now, some of you (people that don't know me) may say "so what, this guys is a dick and he rarely contributes anything anyway", but if the problem is large enough for me to post this message, then you can bet there are plenty of other users that feel the same way but are trying to be more tolerant and simply haven't been pushed quite hard enough to say anything. I've been here 5 years (in December), have posted over 5000 messages in these "forums", and have submitted 12 articles, thinking contributing to the site would do somebody some good. I respect Chris and his team, and honestly appreciate what he's trying to do on CodeProject, but I've simply had enough. The site is crumbling under the weight of the user base, the qualit
I think you're right. Those 500's are really getting on my nerves now. It seems like CP is down a third of the time for me. When it's up, it' so slow it's barely usable. Something needs to be done here. I don't see why the site is having this much problem keeping up... of course it is visited quite a lot, but nothing compared to websites like slashdot.org or microsoft.com. Yet, they're always up. I suspect there's something wrong with the programming or the server farm. Please please fix! And block those useless articles once for all!
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norm.net wrote:
This has just come in to CodeProject, I'm sorry but this is the kind of noise CP now attracts, this article almosts begs believe. How to Convert a String to Byte and Vice-Versa[^]
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Whilst you got your finger on the "DEL" trigger, how about this one: Envisaging C# 3.0[^] Blogless
norm.net wrote:
Whilst you got your finger on the "DEL" trigger, how about this one: Envisaging C# 3.0[^]
:wtf: That was a shocker! I've deleted it - thanks :-) In future, if you see any article that you think should not be here, you can email submit@codeproject.com.
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While I might have agreed a year ago, I now think you're over-reacting. Here's why:
John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
the pages takes its sweet bloody time scratching itself onto the screen
If I really think about it, the up-time is actually significantly higher than the down-time. And my primary concern with CP's down time is not whether I can access CP, but whether other's can access my articles. I solved the second issue with my own website. And no, I'm not trying to sound arrogant, like ooh, my articles are the cat's meow. But they are a way of getting work, and that's why I need the visibility.
John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
many of us have freakin jobs and need sleep every once in a while, and we simply can't monitor the site 24/7.
Why would you want to? Is there something so bloody important in every single post that requires your constant attention? Hardly.
John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
Until a real forum system is installed
I actually like CP's forum a LOT better than any other forum I've ever seen. The classic forum format sucks, IMHO.
John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
General forum abuse is rampant.
Over-exaggeration. And again, so what?
John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
The voting system is at least three shades past stupid,
Ignore the voting system. It's not that CP's voting system is stupid, it's that any voting system exhibits stupidity. It's the nature of the animal. But the voting system does weed out the truly stupid articles.
John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
then you can bet there are plenty of other users that feel the same way but are trying to be more tolerant and simply haven't been pushed quite hard enough to say anything.
I wouldn't be so sure. Certainly my rants and raves haven't been listened to. Why should yours? I took a more 12-step approach. Accept that I have no control over what Chris does. My blood pressure is a lot better now that I really don't give a damn whether CP has ads or not, etc. However, part of that attitude is the result of my taking control of something that I am capable of controlling--again, having my own website, with
Marc Clifton wrote:
I actually like CP's forum a LOT better than any other forum I've ever seen. The classic forum format sucks, IMHO.
Ditto on that, I haven't seen any other forum on the web that uses the CP format. It is very easy following conversations and side bars. It's good to be alive
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norm.net wrote:
Whilst you got your finger on the "DEL" trigger, how about this one: Envisaging C# 3.0[^]
:wtf: That was a shocker! I've deleted it - thanks :-) In future, if you see any article that you think should not be here, you can email submit@codeproject.com.
Nishant Sivakumar wrote:
That was a shocker! I've deleted it - thanks
Yes, that one burst the bubble.
Nishant Sivakumar wrote:
In future, if you see any article that you think should not be here, you can email submit@codeproject.com.
Will do Nish, have a nice day! Blogless
