I Think I'm Done With CodeProject
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And I definitely appreciate that! It's not cool when two months of effort gets harpooned by a troll. Any possibility of making voters and their votes a public part of the article (as well as a public part of the voters profile). The ability to contest and cancel troll votes (voters who are not willing to defend their 1.0 vote) would also be welcome.
I think this is a real solution. You can not vote unless you also cast a comment along with the vote. That comment should be publicly viewable.
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Trollslayer wrote:
What does the country of origin have to do with it? CP is international.
The sad truth is, that I can pretty much pinpoint plagarized articles by the author's name (and therefore assumed nationality) and the content of the article (as in, the content does not match what I would expect from the author). Here's[^] a perfect example. Yes, I do typecasting. So sue me. It works, and it works for a reason. Marc My website Traceract Understanding Simple Data Binding Diary Of A CEO - Preface
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Marc Clifton wrote:
Here's[^] a perfect example.
I'm trying to look at that example, but I keep getting error 500 :doh:
p daddy wrote:
I'm trying to look at that example, but I keep getting error 500
Nish already deleted it. Marc My website Traceract Understanding Simple Data Binding Diary Of A CEO - Preface
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The voting system abuse is why I quit posting code articles here.
Allen Anderson wrote:
The voting system abuse is why I quit posting code articles here.
Both your articles are rated 4+, that's a lot better than what some other similarly good articles got over here - so you didn't really get such a bad deal after all :-)
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Until these most/all of these issues are addressed: 1) The site simply cannot support the number of users it has attracted. There seems to be anywhere from 6,500 to 9,000 users online at any given time, and this is crushing the site's ability to exist. If I'm not greeted with a 500 error, the pages takes its sweet bloody time scratching itself onto the screen. It takes even longer to display the front page of the lounge. 2) The message boards are completely inadequate because of the sheer number of posts that are submitted. Posts scroll out of freakin site after only a few hours because of the way the forums work. Despite what people think, many of us have freakin jobs and need sleep every once in a while, and we simply can't monitor the site 24/7. Until a real forum system is installed, I won't be posting any more. If you're not using one because you can't find one written with ASP.NET, that's a piss-poor excuse to ignore an obvious problem on the site. 3) The fact that people can post anonymously has been a thorn in the site's side since the forums were created. There's apparently no way to IP ban people from posting, or there's no desire to do it. Whichever is the case, it's unacceptable. 4) General forum abuse is rampant. Despite obvious instructions to not post programming questions in the Lounge, people do it, and then at least 30 people point out to the offender that they screwed up. The net effect is that more desireable posts fall off the edge of the world never to be seen by people who might be interested in reading or responding to them. 5) The voting system is at least three shades past stupid, and is obviously being abused, especially where the programming articles are concerned. I know I'm not the only person here that's been a victim of this problem. Now, some of you (people that don't know me) may say "so what, this guys is a dick and he rarely contributes anything anyway", but if the problem is large enough for me to post this message, then you can bet there are plenty of other users that feel the same way but are trying to be more tolerant and simply haven't been pushed quite hard enough to say anything. I've been here 5 years (in December), have posted over 5000 messages in these "forums", and have submitted 12 articles, thinking contributing to the site would do somebody some good. I respect Chris and his team, and honestly appreciate what he's trying to do on CodeProject, but I've simply had enough. The site is crumbling under the weight of the user base, the qualit
That's too bad. If you apply Sturgeon's Law[^] to the web, 99.997% on the web is crap. Code Project bucks that trend by a wide margin.
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Trollslayer wrote:
What does the country of origin have to do with it? CP is international.
The sad truth is, that I can pretty much pinpoint plagarized articles by the author's name (and therefore assumed nationality) and the content of the article (as in, the content does not match what I would expect from the author). Here's[^] a perfect example. Yes, I do typecasting. So sue me. It works, and it works for a reason. Marc My website Traceract Understanding Simple Data Binding Diary Of A CEO - Preface
Marc Clifton wrote:
Yes, I do typecasting.
Is this something like stereo-typing?
"Take only what you need and leave the land as you found it." - Native American Proverb
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The "Latest Articles" page has such a filter expressly for this. I can increase this filter threashold for the newsletter, but aren't willing to increase it for the homepage because a) articles are only on their for a day b) if someone votes an article down then it's lost forever. cheers, Chris Maunder
CodeProject.com : C++ MVP
Chris, I'm self employed I work a lot. Having said that CP is one of my main outlets when I'm tied to a desk. I love to come hear and hang out with the people your site has attracted. Lately, I've been tone strong to PUMPKINHEAD but I'm way willing to back off and take a more PC approach if you need extra volunteers to watch things and alert you of stuff. I'm here so much just scanning. I've got a slew of articles I'm working on to release in January or February. I just love strolling around here though. If you want some assistance in tracking anything or working on anything let me know. I'm way beyond happy to volunteer here. Like I said, it's recreational for me and I'm here often enough... If you would like me to do anything just let me know but I'm happy to offer any skills even just read/report to you guys. I offer this because I agree with what John Simmons has stated whole heartedly. If I'm willing to sign my name to his problem definition then I have to be willing to assist in providing a solution. Especially to a place that I think is pretty cool and worthy of some quality time and effort. I can provide you a list of references and other stuff if you want or need it. I'm happy to help though.:rose: - Rex
Some assembly required. Code-frog System Architects, Inc.
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I agree with some of John's points, but IMHO, the site would be improved dramatically just by removing "The Soapbox". How many users post there exclusively and don't contribute anything code related? Not only would there be fewer trolls attracted by the religious/cultural/political flamewars, there'd be less of a bandwidth strain and more storage. If you're into that kind of debate, there are lots of other sites on the Internet that cater to it. Share and enjoy. Sean
If you do that, then I guarantee you that there will be a bazillion posts in the lounge about such non-programming things.
"Live long and prosper." - Spock
Jason Henderson
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The voting system abuse is why I quit posting code articles here.
Perhaps a larger rating number like 10 would be better. Sometimes I don't want to give a 5, but I don't want to give a 4 either.
"Live long and prosper." - Spock
Jason Henderson
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Until these most/all of these issues are addressed: 1) The site simply cannot support the number of users it has attracted. There seems to be anywhere from 6,500 to 9,000 users online at any given time, and this is crushing the site's ability to exist. If I'm not greeted with a 500 error, the pages takes its sweet bloody time scratching itself onto the screen. It takes even longer to display the front page of the lounge. 2) The message boards are completely inadequate because of the sheer number of posts that are submitted. Posts scroll out of freakin site after only a few hours because of the way the forums work. Despite what people think, many of us have freakin jobs and need sleep every once in a while, and we simply can't monitor the site 24/7. Until a real forum system is installed, I won't be posting any more. If you're not using one because you can't find one written with ASP.NET, that's a piss-poor excuse to ignore an obvious problem on the site. 3) The fact that people can post anonymously has been a thorn in the site's side since the forums were created. There's apparently no way to IP ban people from posting, or there's no desire to do it. Whichever is the case, it's unacceptable. 4) General forum abuse is rampant. Despite obvious instructions to not post programming questions in the Lounge, people do it, and then at least 30 people point out to the offender that they screwed up. The net effect is that more desireable posts fall off the edge of the world never to be seen by people who might be interested in reading or responding to them. 5) The voting system is at least three shades past stupid, and is obviously being abused, especially where the programming articles are concerned. I know I'm not the only person here that's been a victim of this problem. Now, some of you (people that don't know me) may say "so what, this guys is a dick and he rarely contributes anything anyway", but if the problem is large enough for me to post this message, then you can bet there are plenty of other users that feel the same way but are trying to be more tolerant and simply haven't been pushed quite hard enough to say anything. I've been here 5 years (in December), have posted over 5000 messages in these "forums", and have submitted 12 articles, thinking contributing to the site would do somebody some good. I respect Chris and his team, and honestly appreciate what he's trying to do on CodeProject, but I've simply had enough. The site is crumbling under the weight of the user base, the qualit
Why not just leave for a while? I haven't hung around much lately, but I think things are much better than they were a few months ago. I would like to see a slashdot like forum as far as rating posts goes. If something falls under my set threshold in the lounge, don't show it. Plus I'd like to see all of today's posts rather than 25 at a time. For the article ratings I think we need mandatory comments, plus only allow silver or higher members' ratings to matter. All other ratings should be under the threshold.
"Live long and prosper." - Spock
Jason Henderson
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norm.net wrote:
Oh and lets not forget, the quality of articles has gone downhill
I filter articles to see only the C++ ones, and they are still great :)
My programming blahblahblah blog. If you ever find anything useful here, please let me know to remove it.
yes ... i guess its cos to write c++ articles u have to at least know how to write code decently
"there is no spoon"
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Until these most/all of these issues are addressed: 1) The site simply cannot support the number of users it has attracted. There seems to be anywhere from 6,500 to 9,000 users online at any given time, and this is crushing the site's ability to exist. If I'm not greeted with a 500 error, the pages takes its sweet bloody time scratching itself onto the screen. It takes even longer to display the front page of the lounge. 2) The message boards are completely inadequate because of the sheer number of posts that are submitted. Posts scroll out of freakin site after only a few hours because of the way the forums work. Despite what people think, many of us have freakin jobs and need sleep every once in a while, and we simply can't monitor the site 24/7. Until a real forum system is installed, I won't be posting any more. If you're not using one because you can't find one written with ASP.NET, that's a piss-poor excuse to ignore an obvious problem on the site. 3) The fact that people can post anonymously has been a thorn in the site's side since the forums were created. There's apparently no way to IP ban people from posting, or there's no desire to do it. Whichever is the case, it's unacceptable. 4) General forum abuse is rampant. Despite obvious instructions to not post programming questions in the Lounge, people do it, and then at least 30 people point out to the offender that they screwed up. The net effect is that more desireable posts fall off the edge of the world never to be seen by people who might be interested in reading or responding to them. 5) The voting system is at least three shades past stupid, and is obviously being abused, especially where the programming articles are concerned. I know I'm not the only person here that's been a victim of this problem. Now, some of you (people that don't know me) may say "so what, this guys is a dick and he rarely contributes anything anyway", but if the problem is large enough for me to post this message, then you can bet there are plenty of other users that feel the same way but are trying to be more tolerant and simply haven't been pushed quite hard enough to say anything. I've been here 5 years (in December), have posted over 5000 messages in these "forums", and have submitted 12 articles, thinking contributing to the site would do somebody some good. I respect Chris and his team, and honestly appreciate what he's trying to do on CodeProject, but I've simply had enough. The site is crumbling under the weight of the user base, the qualit
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Chris, I'm self employed I work a lot. Having said that CP is one of my main outlets when I'm tied to a desk. I love to come hear and hang out with the people your site has attracted. Lately, I've been tone strong to PUMPKINHEAD but I'm way willing to back off and take a more PC approach if you need extra volunteers to watch things and alert you of stuff. I'm here so much just scanning. I've got a slew of articles I'm working on to release in January or February. I just love strolling around here though. If you want some assistance in tracking anything or working on anything let me know. I'm way beyond happy to volunteer here. Like I said, it's recreational for me and I'm here often enough... If you would like me to do anything just let me know but I'm happy to offer any skills even just read/report to you guys. I offer this because I agree with what John Simmons has stated whole heartedly. If I'm willing to sign my name to his problem definition then I have to be willing to assist in providing a solution. Especially to a place that I think is pretty cool and worthy of some quality time and effort. I can provide you a list of references and other stuff if you want or need it. I'm happy to help though.:rose: - Rex
Some assembly required. Code-frog System Architects, Inc.
Thanks for the comments and offer. Each article in the unedited sections now has a prominent "Report this article" link. The best things everyone can do to improve the overall quality of articles at CodeProject are: 1. Report an article if it has a problem 2. Vote intelligently for articles Voting, over time, generally works, and the higher the status of a voter the more that voter's vote counts against the article's total. cheers, Chris Maunder
CodeProject.com : C++ MVP
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yes ... i guess its cos to write c++ articles u have to at least know how to write code decently
"there is no spoon"
{biz stuff} {about me}amen
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Why not just leave for a while? I haven't hung around much lately, but I think things are much better than they were a few months ago. I would like to see a slashdot like forum as far as rating posts goes. If something falls under my set threshold in the lounge, don't show it. Plus I'd like to see all of today's posts rather than 25 at a time. For the article ratings I think we need mandatory comments, plus only allow silver or higher members' ratings to matter. All other ratings should be under the threshold.
"Live long and prosper." - Spock
Jason Henderson
blogwhy not an "ignore this poster/user?"
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Allen Anderson wrote:
The voting system abuse is why I quit posting code articles here.
Both your articles are rated 4+, that's a lot better than what some other similarly good articles got over here - so you didn't really get such a bad deal after all :-)
yea, but back when I was writing more articles (quality always was most important to me), I would see days where I would get 5 1 votes in a matter of about 10 minutes. And magically a certain other article near one of mine would go up by about the same number of positive votes. That's the type of vote fraud that put me into article writing retirement.
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Until these most/all of these issues are addressed: 1) The site simply cannot support the number of users it has attracted. There seems to be anywhere from 6,500 to 9,000 users online at any given time, and this is crushing the site's ability to exist. If I'm not greeted with a 500 error, the pages takes its sweet bloody time scratching itself onto the screen. It takes even longer to display the front page of the lounge. 2) The message boards are completely inadequate because of the sheer number of posts that are submitted. Posts scroll out of freakin site after only a few hours because of the way the forums work. Despite what people think, many of us have freakin jobs and need sleep every once in a while, and we simply can't monitor the site 24/7. Until a real forum system is installed, I won't be posting any more. If you're not using one because you can't find one written with ASP.NET, that's a piss-poor excuse to ignore an obvious problem on the site. 3) The fact that people can post anonymously has been a thorn in the site's side since the forums were created. There's apparently no way to IP ban people from posting, or there's no desire to do it. Whichever is the case, it's unacceptable. 4) General forum abuse is rampant. Despite obvious instructions to not post programming questions in the Lounge, people do it, and then at least 30 people point out to the offender that they screwed up. The net effect is that more desireable posts fall off the edge of the world never to be seen by people who might be interested in reading or responding to them. 5) The voting system is at least three shades past stupid, and is obviously being abused, especially where the programming articles are concerned. I know I'm not the only person here that's been a victim of this problem. Now, some of you (people that don't know me) may say "so what, this guys is a dick and he rarely contributes anything anyway", but if the problem is large enough for me to post this message, then you can bet there are plenty of other users that feel the same way but are trying to be more tolerant and simply haven't been pushed quite hard enough to say anything. I've been here 5 years (in December), have posted over 5000 messages in these "forums", and have submitted 12 articles, thinking contributing to the site would do somebody some good. I respect Chris and his team, and honestly appreciate what he's trying to do on CodeProject, but I've simply had enough. The site is crumbling under the weight of the user base, the qualit
Well.... hmmm.... There probably isn't a single thing that I can say that would change your mind. You do have valid points. But here is my $0.0000002 worth anyway. greeted with a 500 error That is very true. I have numerous 500 errors here, if I get one at all.... but you know what? It doesn't bother me all that much. It's not my site and I can always come back later. If it were my site, I would be concerned. I prefer to get p*ssed off about things that I can do something about. 2, 3, 4 I dunno.... my message count is very low because I am very selective about what I will and will not respond to. I simply ignore the posts that fall under my radar. I may read a number of postings but I will not get sucked into an "is a programming question" debate or recommend a product I do not know anything about. If I see a question in the programming forums that I can answer, I will. I will vote on articles that are really articles and not some lame attempt to get 15 seconds of fame and ignore the rest. Well not ignore but I will skim and article to see if it could really remotely qualify before I waste my time trying to figure it out. If the article is 2 paragraphs, I won't bother. On the other hand, if an article is 45 pages long, I will probably skip it too. While I appreciate the effort, I don't read online books. :-) Despite the problems, real or imagined, that the site has, IMHO CP is much too valuable a resource for me to abandon. I have gotten so much out of the site and the other CPians that I could not possible repay the debt. So the occasional 500 error or slow loading page or whatever is a small price for me to pay. Perhaps Chris would up the volunteer count so that some of these problems would go away? If a wizard fails to cast an enchantment correctly, is that a mis-spelling? Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level where they are an expert.
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I think this is a real solution. You can not vote unless you also cast a comment along with the vote. That comment should be publicly viewable.
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Correct- I would have to sadly agree, but then at least the vote can be 'uncounted' because the comment was BS. Currently, we have a voting scheme with no traceability or context. I can vote an article a 1 or a 5 without ever explaining why. If I give it a 5, someone else might want to know why. If I gave it a 1, same thing. Now, perhaps an admin could discount votes that have silly comments, assuming they were inclined to do so. Now, in the case of 'what article wins an award' this might make sense - to review the votes. In the case of someone voting a response to a post, who would really care? I think I have posted very astute and accurate responses to problems in the VC++ forum, but I have never bothered to vote for or care what votes against me are. On the other hand, like some of John's and other people's comments, I would not want to spend a couple months writing a great article, and be outvoted by some nitwit article, without the tracking in place. In other words, I would not EVER be writing an article for the contest here, only with the express intent of sharing the knowledge. On the other hand, is 'number of posts' an accurate metric for an award either? I mean, sometimes me or DavidCrow have answered a question that he and I probably KNOW that most people have no clue whatsoever. I choose to usually spend my time anwering problems that are not readily answered with a RTFM or 'refer to this article' or just a few months or years of C++ experience would resolve, but rather ones I can recognize require a deep understanding of Windows, its API, or its history, or some obscure Microsoft recommendation or bug workaround. If this were my 'real job' there would be hundreds or at least several thousand answers from me to the questions on the VC++ forum. I just have to divide my time appropriately. What with a 4 week old infant now, time is ever more constrained - as if getting married weren't enough of a hit :rolleyes: Anwyay, I still like it here at CP more than CodeGuru or any other place I have briefly sampled :)
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You can change the forum display settings not to include the message text, but only include message headers (and optionally, a short message preview). This will cut down forum page size (use the "View" dropdown at the top of forums). I'm also working on the rewrite which will allow a further option to reduce bandwidth while still ensuring it's responsive. The C# page is a mess - I know. I've been putting off reorganising this because there's a major reorg coming up and I don't want to double up work. But the emouse pointing stick. Oh man. I'm so, so sorry. cheers, Chris Maunder
CodeProject.com : C++ MVP
