Are there any advantages to staying with .net 1.1?
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roel_ wrote:
When can we expect the .net 2 runtime to show up on Windows Update?
Even if it did, quite a few people wouldn't be able to get it that way cause of the license authenticity test that's slightly buggy.
And most of the people I know wouldn't be able to get it via Windows Update because the WGA test isn't buggy enough...
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And most of the people I know wouldn't be able to get it via Windows Update because the WGA test isn't buggy enough...
Daniel Grunwald wrote:
And most of the people I know wouldn't be able to get it via Windows Update because the WGA test isn't buggy enough...
Even if a 1000 guilty ones got away, it's unfair to the couple of dozen innocents who suffer!
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Hi, Now that the development tools for .net 2 have gone gold, how long can we expect it to take until users have the .net runtime installed on their machines? I'm developing an app in C# and I would really like the type-safe containers and the layout managers for Windows Forms that I hear about (I haven't tried anything of VS 2005 yet), but I'm a little hesitant because I do want users to be able to run my programs easily (that is, I hope that some/most of them already have the .net 2 runtime); which is also the reason why it took me until now before I wrote my first .net (1.1) program. How do you all think about that? Is there anyone out there who isn't planning on switching to .net 2 because of compatibility concerns? When can we expect the .net 2 runtime to show up on Windows Update? cheers, roel
You can test you program by adding the following to the configuration section of your App.config file:
<startup>
<supportedRuntime version="v2.0.50727" safemode="true"/>
<requiredRuntime version="v2.0.50727" safemode="true"/>
</startup>This will load your .NET 1.1 compiled assembly in the .NET 2 runtime. There are quite a few subtle differences. xacc-ide 0.0.99-preview7 now with C#, C, C++, IL, XML, Nemerle, IronPython, Perl, Caml, SML, Ruby, Flex, Yacc, Java, Javascript, Lua, Prolog and Boo highlighting support! -- modified at 9:13 Saturday 29th October, 2005
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Hi, Now that the development tools for .net 2 have gone gold, how long can we expect it to take until users have the .net runtime installed on their machines? I'm developing an app in C# and I would really like the type-safe containers and the layout managers for Windows Forms that I hear about (I haven't tried anything of VS 2005 yet), but I'm a little hesitant because I do want users to be able to run my programs easily (that is, I hope that some/most of them already have the .net 2 runtime); which is also the reason why it took me until now before I wrote my first .net (1.1) program. How do you all think about that? Is there anyone out there who isn't planning on switching to .net 2 because of compatibility concerns? When can we expect the .net 2 runtime to show up on Windows Update? cheers, roel
Well, as usual it will take time for the community to migrate to whatever MS's latest thing is. .NET 2 will be no different. However, I wonder how long it will be before you see job ads. saying "must have 6 months' commercial experience of .NET 2, anyone with four years of .NET 1.1 and only home study of .NET 2 need not apply - your experience is deemed worthless." This seems to be the way the IT recruitment industry operates and then they moan about skills shortages! Kevin
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Daniel Grunwald wrote:
And most of the people I know wouldn't be able to get it via Windows Update because the WGA test isn't buggy enough...
Even if a 1000 guilty ones got away, it's unfair to the couple of dozen innocents who suffer!
You know pepople who have been blocked with a valid copy of Windows?
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Well, as usual it will take time for the community to migrate to whatever MS's latest thing is. .NET 2 will be no different. However, I wonder how long it will be before you see job ads. saying "must have 6 months' commercial experience of .NET 2, anyone with four years of .NET 1.1 and only home study of .NET 2 need not apply - your experience is deemed worthless." This seems to be the way the IT recruitment industry operates and then they moan about skills shortages! Kevin
I saw one for at least 5 years .NET. At the time, it implied people who had been working on .NET back in '99. :doh:
"Je pense, donc je mange." - Rene Descartes 1689 - Just before his mother put his tea on the table. Shameless Plug - Distributed Database Transactions in .NET using COM+
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You know pepople who have been blocked with a valid copy of Windows?
"Je pense, donc je mange." - Rene Descartes 1689 - Just before his mother put his tea on the table. Shameless Plug - Distributed Database Transactions in .NET using COM+
Giles wrote:
You know pepople who have been blocked with a valid copy of Windows?
Not personally, but I've seen online postings where people have complained.
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Hi, Now that the development tools for .net 2 have gone gold, how long can we expect it to take until users have the .net runtime installed on their machines? I'm developing an app in C# and I would really like the type-safe containers and the layout managers for Windows Forms that I hear about (I haven't tried anything of VS 2005 yet), but I'm a little hesitant because I do want users to be able to run my programs easily (that is, I hope that some/most of them already have the .net 2 runtime); which is also the reason why it took me until now before I wrote my first .net (1.1) program. How do you all think about that? Is there anyone out there who isn't planning on switching to .net 2 because of compatibility concerns? When can we expect the .net 2 runtime to show up on Windows Update? cheers, roel
We're in the same situation, we're weeks away from a beta release and there is no way in hell we're switching to .net 2 because it's unlikely that our users will have it and internet distribution is hard enough without forcing most to upgrade. That and I'm just worried that all the careful hours we spent designing and building our forms etc are going to be shot if we upgrade because of changes. Besides which it's never wise to go with an initial release of anything when it matters.
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Giles wrote:
You know pepople who have been blocked with a valid copy of Windows?
Not personally, but I've seen online postings where people have complained.
Do you know if those people really had valid copies of Windows?
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Do you know if those people really had valid copies of Windows?
Ðavid Wulff Audioscrobbler :: flickr Die Freiheit spielt auf allen Geigen (video)
The prodigal son returns. Where have you been Dave? :)
Picture a huge catholic cathedral. In it there's many people, including a gregorian monk choir. You know, those who sing beautifully. Then they start singing, in latin, as they always do: "Ad hominem..." -Jörgen Sigvardsson
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I saw one for at least 5 years .NET. At the time, it implied people who had been working on .NET back in '99. :doh:
"Je pense, donc je mange." - Rene Descartes 1689 - Just before his mother put his tea on the table. Shameless Plug - Distributed Database Transactions in .NET using COM+
Technically that is possible - although it was NGWS in 1999 - but obviously there would be very, very few people who would have that amount of experience and they probably wanted to pay the standard rate that any Win dev would get. Tom Archer (blog) Program Manager MSDN Online (Windows Vista and Visual C++) MICROSOFT
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Technically that is possible - although it was NGWS in 1999 - but obviously there would be very, very few people who would have that amount of experience and they probably wanted to pay the standard rate that any Win dev would get. Tom Archer (blog) Program Manager MSDN Online (Windows Vista and Visual C++) MICROSOFT
Yeah, I was going to say, that's really just a group of people at Microsoft and some outside people they brought in for the really early previews of ASP+ and NGWS. Jeez that seems like it was a long time ago.
Picture a huge catholic cathedral. In it there's many people, including a gregorian monk choir. You know, those who sing beautifully. Then they start singing, in latin, as they always do: "Ad hominem..." -Jörgen Sigvardsson
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Technically that is possible - although it was NGWS in 1999 - but obviously there would be very, very few people who would have that amount of experience and they probably wanted to pay the standard rate that any Win dev would get. Tom Archer (blog) Program Manager MSDN Online (Windows Vista and Visual C++) MICROSOFT
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Hi, Now that the development tools for .net 2 have gone gold, how long can we expect it to take until users have the .net runtime installed on their machines? I'm developing an app in C# and I would really like the type-safe containers and the layout managers for Windows Forms that I hear about (I haven't tried anything of VS 2005 yet), but I'm a little hesitant because I do want users to be able to run my programs easily (that is, I hope that some/most of them already have the .net 2 runtime); which is also the reason why it took me until now before I wrote my first .net (1.1) program. How do you all think about that? Is there anyone out there who isn't planning on switching to .net 2 because of compatibility concerns? When can we expect the .net 2 runtime to show up on Windows Update? cheers, roel
We still have the luxury of being two years from release, but we made the decision to go with .NET 2.0 over a year ago. Until February, we prototyped everything in .NET 1.1. As soon as VS 2005 Beta 1 came out, we switched. It required a few changes, but was otherwise painless. (We then took six months off to churn out yet another release with our nightmarish 10 year old C/C++ code base.) I say switch. .NET 2.0 not only has a richer API, I find VS 2005 a joy to work in. Anyone who thinks he has a better idea of what's good for people than people do is a swine. - P.J. O'Rourke
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Any inside info on when we'll being seeing the first version of Windows which includes the frameworks? It's great on Windows 2003 Server right now, but what about all those client PCs?
Vista will include .NET 2.0 (heck, it kinda relies on it).
Picture a huge catholic cathedral. In it there's many people, including a gregorian monk choir. You know, those who sing beautifully. Then they start singing, in latin, as they always do: "Ad hominem..." -Jörgen Sigvardsson
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The prodigal son returns. Where have you been Dave? :)
Picture a huge catholic cathedral. In it there's many people, including a gregorian monk choir. You know, those who sing beautifully. Then they start singing, in latin, as they always do: "Ad hominem..." -Jörgen Sigvardsson
I went into the server room to configure Linux on a new machine and didn't come back out again for two months. Still isn't configured right. Why can't they standardise on something like the Management _Conf_ole? :sigh:
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Vista will include .NET 2.0 (heck, it kinda relies on it).
Picture a huge catholic cathedral. In it there's many people, including a gregorian monk choir. You know, those who sing beautifully. Then they start singing, in latin, as they always do: "Ad hominem..." -Jörgen Sigvardsson
Are you sure of that? I read in a recent MSDN article that WinFX is not installed by default in Vista Beta 1 right now. Now, that doesn't mean .NET 2.0 won't be installed, but it makes me wonder. I'd love to hear something from one of the Microsoft folks on this, hint hint.
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Are you sure of that? I read in a recent MSDN article that WinFX is not installed by default in Vista Beta 1 right now. Now, that doesn't mean .NET 2.0 won't be installed, but it makes me wonder. I'd love to hear something from one of the Microsoft folks on this, hint hint.
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It'll be installed by default in every build from September CTP on.[^]
Picture a huge catholic cathedral. In it there's many people, including a gregorian monk choir. You know, those who sing beautifully. Then they start singing, in latin, as they always do: "Ad hominem..." -Jörgen Sigvardsson
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It'll be installed by default in every build from September CTP on.[^]
Picture a huge catholic cathedral. In it there's many people, including a gregorian monk choir. You know, those who sing beautifully. Then they start singing, in latin, as they always do: "Ad hominem..." -Jörgen Sigvardsson
:cool:
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We still have the luxury of being two years from release, but we made the decision to go with .NET 2.0 over a year ago. Until February, we prototyped everything in .NET 1.1. As soon as VS 2005 Beta 1 came out, we switched. It required a few changes, but was otherwise painless. (We then took six months off to churn out yet another release with our nightmarish 10 year old C/C++ code base.) I say switch. .NET 2.0 not only has a richer API, I find VS 2005 a joy to work in. Anyone who thinks he has a better idea of what's good for people than people do is a swine. - P.J. O'Rourke
Same situation with us: we started with a .NET 1.0 codebase, then 1.1, and when 2.0 beta 1 was released, we decided to go with it. Right now I'm very happy with that decision because of all the code & time saved via generics, anonymous methods, and iterators. Plus the new menu strips, table layout controls, splitters, and other controls that are really a must-have. I find VS 2005 better than 2003 as well; it seems the forms designer still has an occassional bug where it can't display a form unless you restart VS or delete the bin/obj folders. But hey, it's better than VS 2003's "The Woe" bug. :-p
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