Religion of Peace vs. 8-Year Old Boy
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Rob Graham wrote:
I'm not sure it's fair to confuse sharia or islam with mob vigilantism
I don't think anyone is confused. You seem awfully confident that this is street justice without any proof. The man is holding a microphone, street justice does not usally take the time to set a public punishment. This was set up by the community, and it was a public event.
kgaddy wrote:
You seem awfully confident that this is street justice without any proof.
No, I am just questioning the provenance and circumstances of photos posted with no accompanying background, and no identifiable location. I did not notice the microphone, and even on second look, would be hard put to swear it was one. And vigilantism can often be a community event, wherever it occurs. This may well be what the blogger proports it to be, but it could also be a complete fraud. You seem to be awfully confident that it is what the blogger says it is without any proof. I would contest similar photos that claimed it was American mob justice, with as little acompanying proof. I am not in any way defending sharia, but I am suggesting that this could be just a smear job. I don't trust most of what I see on the Internet, and you shouldn't either. Absolute faith corrupts as absolutely as absolute power Eric Hoffer All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. Edmund Burke
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kgaddy wrote:
You seem awfully confident that this is street justice without any proof.
No, I am just questioning the provenance and circumstances of photos posted with no accompanying background, and no identifiable location. I did not notice the microphone, and even on second look, would be hard put to swear it was one. And vigilantism can often be a community event, wherever it occurs. This may well be what the blogger proports it to be, but it could also be a complete fraud. You seem to be awfully confident that it is what the blogger says it is without any proof. I would contest similar photos that claimed it was American mob justice, with as little acompanying proof. I am not in any way defending sharia, but I am suggesting that this could be just a smear job. I don't trust most of what I see on the Internet, and you shouldn't either. Absolute faith corrupts as absolutely as absolute power Eric Hoffer All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. Edmund Burke
Rob Graham wrote:
I don't trust most of what I see on the Internet, and you shouldn't eit
I usally don't. But this, put into context seems to be the truth. 1) It's in Iran, the people look Iranian. 2) There is a man with a microphone, the people did take the time to set this up. this is constiant with shria law, and punishment. 3)The punishment for stealing is to cut off the right hand. It looks like they are being merciful since boy is only 8 years old. All indicate that this is in Iran and is real. I am willing to listen if you can find something wrong with this.
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kgaddy wrote:
Sean Penn comes to mind
you do realize that absolutely nobody but wingnuts gives a fuck what Sean Penn has to say about anything, right ?
kgaddy wrote:
So are you agreeing that Isalm is not a religion of Peace?
"The face of terror is not the true faith of Islam. That's not what Islam is all about. Islam is peace. These terrorists don't represent peace. They represent evil and war. When we think of Islam we think of a faith that brings comfort to a billion people around the world. Billions of people find comfort and solace and peace. And that's made brothers and sisters out of every race -- out of every race. "
feel free to look up who said that. i tend to agree with him, on that one. terrorists are not exclusive to Islam (ex. who pulled off the biggest terrorist attack in the US prior to 9/11 ? and how many Muslims were in the I.R.A. ? ). people have always twisted religion to suit whatever it is they get excited about. Cleek | Image Toolkits | Thumbnail maker
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Pumk1nh3ad wrote:
When will the liberals stop with all this "religion of peace" bull****?
ehh, who are these "liberals" you're talking about ? Cleek | Image Toolkits | Thumbnail maker
Just read today's school curriculum, how it portrays muslims in such a positive light. My "christian" homeschool curriculum praises islam as being a peaceful religion, and their "morals" as being "admirable" :~
Pumk1nh3ad illustrates that Intelligent Design oft goes awry. - Ed Gadziemski
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Rob Graham wrote:
I don't trust most of what I see on the Internet, and you shouldn't eit
I usally don't. But this, put into context seems to be the truth. 1) It's in Iran, the people look Iranian. 2) There is a man with a microphone, the people did take the time to set this up. this is constiant with shria law, and punishment. 3)The punishment for stealing is to cut off the right hand. It looks like they are being merciful since boy is only 8 years old. All indicate that this is in Iran and is real. I am willing to listen if you can find something wrong with this.
kgaddy wrote:
I usally don't. But this, put into context seems to be the truth.
I see no verifiable context, just assertion.
kgaddy wrote:
- It's in Iran, the people look Iranian.
I have neighbors that look just like that. Nothing in the photos seems conclusively Iranian, but perhaps i missed something.
kgaddy wrote:
- There is a man with a microphone, the people did take the time to set this up.
I could easily change the last three words to "stage this". All the photos have a red text inscripion that identifies a photographer and an Iranian newspaper. (I could do better work in Paint, BTW). I find it surprising that the photographer would risk retribution, and therfore wonder if the inscription is just window dressing. An the inscription is not in arabic script, like everything on the newspaper site it is attributed to... Looks too much like a smear job. Only the CIA could fall for something this obviously faked. Absolute faith corrupts as absolutely as absolute power Eric Hoffer All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. Edmund Burke
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kgaddy wrote:
Sean Penn comes to mind
you do realize that absolutely nobody but wingnuts gives a fuck what Sean Penn has to say about anything, right ?
kgaddy wrote:
So are you agreeing that Isalm is not a religion of Peace?
"The face of terror is not the true faith of Islam. That's not what Islam is all about. Islam is peace. These terrorists don't represent peace. They represent evil and war. When we think of Islam we think of a faith that brings comfort to a billion people around the world. Billions of people find comfort and solace and peace. And that's made brothers and sisters out of every race -- out of every race. "
feel free to look up who said that. i tend to agree with him, on that one. terrorists are not exclusive to Islam (ex. who pulled off the biggest terrorist attack in the US prior to 9/11 ? and how many Muslims were in the I.R.A. ? ). people have always twisted religion to suit whatever it is they get excited about. Cleek | Image Toolkits | Thumbnail maker
How predictable. Without looking I'm guessing GWB. And he was smart to say it. It's called politics, we need Pakistan and other Islamic countries.
Chris Losinger wrote:
terrorists are not exclusive to Islam
Who said they were? The arguement here is that Islam produces more than than any other culture of religion. Islam Makes you think something more is going on. Are you now going to avoid the topic and try and find other sources of terrorist thoughout history that were not Muslium? THey would be the predictibe rout of some wanting to avoid the topic and try to turn it around.
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Just read today's school curriculum, how it portrays muslims in such a positive light. My "christian" homeschool curriculum praises islam as being a peaceful religion, and their "morals" as being "admirable" :~
Pumk1nh3ad illustrates that Intelligent Design oft goes awry. - Ed Gadziemski
Pumk1nh3ad wrote:
Just read today's school curriculum
where can i get a copy of it ? Cleek | Image Toolkits | Thumbnail maker
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kgaddy wrote:
I usally don't. But this, put into context seems to be the truth.
I see no verifiable context, just assertion.
kgaddy wrote:
- It's in Iran, the people look Iranian.
I have neighbors that look just like that. Nothing in the photos seems conclusively Iranian, but perhaps i missed something.
kgaddy wrote:
- There is a man with a microphone, the people did take the time to set this up.
I could easily change the last three words to "stage this". All the photos have a red text inscripion that identifies a photographer and an Iranian newspaper. (I could do better work in Paint, BTW). I find it surprising that the photographer would risk retribution, and therfore wonder if the inscription is just window dressing. An the inscription is not in arabic script, like everything on the newspaper site it is attributed to... Looks too much like a smear job. Only the CIA could fall for something this obviously faked. Absolute faith corrupts as absolutely as absolute power Eric Hoffer All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. Edmund Burke
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kgaddy wrote:
I usally don't. But this, put into context seems to be the truth.
I see no verifiable context, just assertion.
kgaddy wrote:
- It's in Iran, the people look Iranian.
I have neighbors that look just like that. Nothing in the photos seems conclusively Iranian, but perhaps i missed something.
kgaddy wrote:
- There is a man with a microphone, the people did take the time to set this up.
I could easily change the last three words to "stage this". All the photos have a red text inscripion that identifies a photographer and an Iranian newspaper. (I could do better work in Paint, BTW). I find it surprising that the photographer would risk retribution, and therfore wonder if the inscription is just window dressing. An the inscription is not in arabic script, like everything on the newspaper site it is attributed to... Looks too much like a smear job. Only the CIA could fall for something this obviously faked. Absolute faith corrupts as absolutely as absolute power Eric Hoffer All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. Edmund Burke
How about this story? Is it fakse too? Iran-Human Rights: Young man murdered for not observing fast during Ramadan
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kgaddy wrote:
I usally don't. But this, put into context seems to be the truth.
I see no verifiable context, just assertion.
kgaddy wrote:
- It's in Iran, the people look Iranian.
I have neighbors that look just like that. Nothing in the photos seems conclusively Iranian, but perhaps i missed something.
kgaddy wrote:
- There is a man with a microphone, the people did take the time to set this up.
I could easily change the last three words to "stage this". All the photos have a red text inscripion that identifies a photographer and an Iranian newspaper. (I could do better work in Paint, BTW). I find it surprising that the photographer would risk retribution, and therfore wonder if the inscription is just window dressing. An the inscription is not in arabic script, like everything on the newspaper site it is attributed to... Looks too much like a smear job. Only the CIA could fall for something this obviously faked. Absolute faith corrupts as absolutely as absolute power Eric Hoffer All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. Edmund Burke
Look at the license plate. Here is another pic of a Iranian Plate http://www.olavsplates.com/foto/ir_teh-94633.jpg
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How predictable. Without looking I'm guessing GWB. And he was smart to say it. It's called politics, we need Pakistan and other Islamic countries.
Chris Losinger wrote:
terrorists are not exclusive to Islam
Who said they were? The arguement here is that Islam produces more than than any other culture of religion. Islam Makes you think something more is going on. Are you now going to avoid the topic and try and find other sources of terrorist thoughout history that were not Muslium? THey would be the predictibe rout of some wanting to avoid the topic and try to turn it around.
kgaddy wrote:
Without looking I'm guessing GWB. And he was smart to say it.
so, when Dear Leader says it, it's gold. when someone you disagree with says the same thing, it's shit. :laugh: idiocy.
kgaddy wrote:
The arguement here is that Islam produces more than than any other culture of religion.
today, probably. but in the entire history of Islam, no. other groups have been pretty good at it, at various times (again, the IRA, Basques, etc.). so, unless Islam is different today than it was, say 20 years ago when the IRA was going strong, your theory kinda falls over since obviously there is something else going on than just Islam. if Islam itself was the cause, we'd expect a constant number of Islamic terrorists over the past 600 years. Cleek | Image Toolkits | Thumbnail maker
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Rob Graham wrote:
Looks too much like a smear job. Only the CIA could fall for something this obviously faked.
Wow, now you are dismissing it outright as a fake? That's one way to defend it.
I am in no way defending the act depicted. I am however very suspicious of "evidence" (even that that supports my views) that does not have clear indications of authenticity. It's a lesson I have learned by observing what happened to Bush (who I voted for) and Rumsfeld when they failed to adequately question every bit of "evidence" they had. When we accept any garbage that supports our beliefs, we risk later ridicule (and that makes our beliefs subject to ridicule by association). Islam and Sharia have many aspects that I abhor, but I don't want to try to make that point with possibly fraudulent "evidence", nor should you. Absolute faith corrupts as absolutely as absolute power Eric Hoffer All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. Edmund Burke
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How about this story? Is it fakse too? Iran-Human Rights: Young man murdered for not observing fast during Ramadan
No, it appears to be authentic. That does not, however have any bearing whatsoever on the authenticity of your original post. Absolute faith corrupts as absolutely as absolute power Eric Hoffer All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. Edmund Burke
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I am in no way defending the act depicted. I am however very suspicious of "evidence" (even that that supports my views) that does not have clear indications of authenticity. It's a lesson I have learned by observing what happened to Bush (who I voted for) and Rumsfeld when they failed to adequately question every bit of "evidence" they had. When we accept any garbage that supports our beliefs, we risk later ridicule (and that makes our beliefs subject to ridicule by association). Islam and Sharia have many aspects that I abhor, but I don't want to try to make that point with possibly fraudulent "evidence", nor should you. Absolute faith corrupts as absolutely as absolute power Eric Hoffer All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. Edmund Burke
Rob Graham wrote:
I am in no way defending the act depicted. I am however very suspicious of "evidence" (even that that supports my views) that does not have clear indications of authenticity. It's a lesson I have learned by observing what happened to Bush (who I voted for) and Rumsfeld when they failed to adequately question every bit of "evidence" they had. When we accept any garbage that supports our beliefs, we risk later ridicule (and that makes our beliefs subject to ridicule by association). Islam and Sharia have many aspects that I abhor, but I don't want to try to make that point with possibly fraudulent "evidence", nor should you.
That is a far cry from "Only the CIA could fall for something this obviously faked."
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kgaddy wrote:
Without looking I'm guessing GWB. And he was smart to say it.
so, when Dear Leader says it, it's gold. when someone you disagree with says the same thing, it's shit. :laugh: idiocy.
kgaddy wrote:
The arguement here is that Islam produces more than than any other culture of religion.
today, probably. but in the entire history of Islam, no. other groups have been pretty good at it, at various times (again, the IRA, Basques, etc.). so, unless Islam is different today than it was, say 20 years ago when the IRA was going strong, your theory kinda falls over since obviously there is something else going on than just Islam. if Islam itself was the cause, we'd expect a constant number of Islamic terrorists over the past 600 years. Cleek | Image Toolkits | Thumbnail maker
Chris Losinger wrote:
so, when Dear Leader says it, it's gold. when someone you disagree with says the same thing, it's sh*t. idiocy.
I guess you really don't get it. I do not agree with GWB on this one. And I cannot prove it, but I bet he does not believe it as well.
Chris Losinger wrote:
today, probably. but in the entire history of Islam, no.
To be honest, I only care about today. I cannot do anything about people who died 100 or even 20 years ago. I can only be concerned about people today.
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Look at the license plate. Here is another pic of a Iranian Plate http://www.olavsplates.com/foto/ir_teh-94633.jpg
Again, has no bearing on the authenticity of your original post. The palte in the original is quite blured (although similar to this), and could just be a sloppy photoshop. You really are preaching to the choir here, but your "sermon" is junk. get better sermons, that kind ot troll bait is not useful. Absolute faith corrupts as absolutely as absolute power Eric Hoffer All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. Edmund Burke
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Rob Graham wrote:
I am in no way defending the act depicted. I am however very suspicious of "evidence" (even that that supports my views) that does not have clear indications of authenticity. It's a lesson I have learned by observing what happened to Bush (who I voted for) and Rumsfeld when they failed to adequately question every bit of "evidence" they had. When we accept any garbage that supports our beliefs, we risk later ridicule (and that makes our beliefs subject to ridicule by association). Islam and Sharia have many aspects that I abhor, but I don't want to try to make that point with possibly fraudulent "evidence", nor should you.
That is a far cry from "Only the CIA could fall for something this obviously faked."
A far cry from "slam dunk"? IMO George Tenet deserves most of the blame for the WMD debacle in Iraq, and mostly for beleiving and advancing "evidence" of the same verifiability as those photos. Absolute faith corrupts as absolutely as absolute power Eric Hoffer All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. Edmund Burke
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If thats true thats just fucking sick. Who the hell could possibly do something like that. Not Human. :mad:
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Chris Losinger wrote:
so, when Dear Leader says it, it's gold. when someone you disagree with says the same thing, it's sh*t. idiocy.
I guess you really don't get it. I do not agree with GWB on this one. And I cannot prove it, but I bet he does not believe it as well.
Chris Losinger wrote:
today, probably. but in the entire history of Islam, no.
To be honest, I only care about today. I cannot do anything about people who died 100 or even 20 years ago. I can only be concerned about people today.
kgaddy wrote:
And I cannot prove it, but I bet he does not believe it as well.
behold the magic of faith.
kgaddy wrote:
To be honest, I only care about today. I cannot do anything about people who died 100 or even 20 years ago. I can only be concerned about people today.
then you should be more careful making blanket statements about things that don't fit within your little window of interest. no doubt there's something going on in Islamic countries these days that generates terrorists, but there are hundreds and hundreds of million Muslims who aren't terrorists, won't become terrorists and don't support terrorists - and they don't deserve to be stigmatized for the actions of a handful of criminals who cloak themselves in religion, any more than all skinny white conservatives deserve to be stigmatized for the actions of McVeigh, Rudolph and Kopp. Cleek | Image Toolkits | Thumbnail maker
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This should provide an interesting challange for the moral equivalency crowd. I can't wait. X| EDIT - Must be moderate Muslims - that looks like a small family car. "Capitalism is the source of all true freedom." -- modified at 13:10 Tuesday 1st November, 2005
Stan Shannon wrote:
Must be moderate Muslims - that looks like a small family car.
Liberals, actually. Their next car will be a hybrid.
