Religion of Peace vs. 8-Year Old Boy
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kgaddy wrote:
I usally don't. But this, put into context seems to be the truth.
I see no verifiable context, just assertion.
kgaddy wrote:
- It's in Iran, the people look Iranian.
I have neighbors that look just like that. Nothing in the photos seems conclusively Iranian, but perhaps i missed something.
kgaddy wrote:
- There is a man with a microphone, the people did take the time to set this up.
I could easily change the last three words to "stage this". All the photos have a red text inscripion that identifies a photographer and an Iranian newspaper. (I could do better work in Paint, BTW). I find it surprising that the photographer would risk retribution, and therfore wonder if the inscription is just window dressing. An the inscription is not in arabic script, like everything on the newspaper site it is attributed to... Looks too much like a smear job. Only the CIA could fall for something this obviously faked. Absolute faith corrupts as absolutely as absolute power Eric Hoffer All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. Edmund Burke
How about this story? Is it fakse too? Iran-Human Rights: Young man murdered for not observing fast during Ramadan
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kgaddy wrote:
I usally don't. But this, put into context seems to be the truth.
I see no verifiable context, just assertion.
kgaddy wrote:
- It's in Iran, the people look Iranian.
I have neighbors that look just like that. Nothing in the photos seems conclusively Iranian, but perhaps i missed something.
kgaddy wrote:
- There is a man with a microphone, the people did take the time to set this up.
I could easily change the last three words to "stage this". All the photos have a red text inscripion that identifies a photographer and an Iranian newspaper. (I could do better work in Paint, BTW). I find it surprising that the photographer would risk retribution, and therfore wonder if the inscription is just window dressing. An the inscription is not in arabic script, like everything on the newspaper site it is attributed to... Looks too much like a smear job. Only the CIA could fall for something this obviously faked. Absolute faith corrupts as absolutely as absolute power Eric Hoffer All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. Edmund Burke
Look at the license plate. Here is another pic of a Iranian Plate http://www.olavsplates.com/foto/ir_teh-94633.jpg
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How predictable. Without looking I'm guessing GWB. And he was smart to say it. It's called politics, we need Pakistan and other Islamic countries.
Chris Losinger wrote:
terrorists are not exclusive to Islam
Who said they were? The arguement here is that Islam produces more than than any other culture of religion. Islam Makes you think something more is going on. Are you now going to avoid the topic and try and find other sources of terrorist thoughout history that were not Muslium? THey would be the predictibe rout of some wanting to avoid the topic and try to turn it around.
kgaddy wrote:
Without looking I'm guessing GWB. And he was smart to say it.
so, when Dear Leader says it, it's gold. when someone you disagree with says the same thing, it's shit. :laugh: idiocy.
kgaddy wrote:
The arguement here is that Islam produces more than than any other culture of religion.
today, probably. but in the entire history of Islam, no. other groups have been pretty good at it, at various times (again, the IRA, Basques, etc.). so, unless Islam is different today than it was, say 20 years ago when the IRA was going strong, your theory kinda falls over since obviously there is something else going on than just Islam. if Islam itself was the cause, we'd expect a constant number of Islamic terrorists over the past 600 years. Cleek | Image Toolkits | Thumbnail maker
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Rob Graham wrote:
Looks too much like a smear job. Only the CIA could fall for something this obviously faked.
Wow, now you are dismissing it outright as a fake? That's one way to defend it.
I am in no way defending the act depicted. I am however very suspicious of "evidence" (even that that supports my views) that does not have clear indications of authenticity. It's a lesson I have learned by observing what happened to Bush (who I voted for) and Rumsfeld when they failed to adequately question every bit of "evidence" they had. When we accept any garbage that supports our beliefs, we risk later ridicule (and that makes our beliefs subject to ridicule by association). Islam and Sharia have many aspects that I abhor, but I don't want to try to make that point with possibly fraudulent "evidence", nor should you. Absolute faith corrupts as absolutely as absolute power Eric Hoffer All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. Edmund Burke
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How about this story? Is it fakse too? Iran-Human Rights: Young man murdered for not observing fast during Ramadan
No, it appears to be authentic. That does not, however have any bearing whatsoever on the authenticity of your original post. Absolute faith corrupts as absolutely as absolute power Eric Hoffer All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. Edmund Burke
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I am in no way defending the act depicted. I am however very suspicious of "evidence" (even that that supports my views) that does not have clear indications of authenticity. It's a lesson I have learned by observing what happened to Bush (who I voted for) and Rumsfeld when they failed to adequately question every bit of "evidence" they had. When we accept any garbage that supports our beliefs, we risk later ridicule (and that makes our beliefs subject to ridicule by association). Islam and Sharia have many aspects that I abhor, but I don't want to try to make that point with possibly fraudulent "evidence", nor should you. Absolute faith corrupts as absolutely as absolute power Eric Hoffer All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. Edmund Burke
Rob Graham wrote:
I am in no way defending the act depicted. I am however very suspicious of "evidence" (even that that supports my views) that does not have clear indications of authenticity. It's a lesson I have learned by observing what happened to Bush (who I voted for) and Rumsfeld when they failed to adequately question every bit of "evidence" they had. When we accept any garbage that supports our beliefs, we risk later ridicule (and that makes our beliefs subject to ridicule by association). Islam and Sharia have many aspects that I abhor, but I don't want to try to make that point with possibly fraudulent "evidence", nor should you.
That is a far cry from "Only the CIA could fall for something this obviously faked."
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kgaddy wrote:
Without looking I'm guessing GWB. And he was smart to say it.
so, when Dear Leader says it, it's gold. when someone you disagree with says the same thing, it's shit. :laugh: idiocy.
kgaddy wrote:
The arguement here is that Islam produces more than than any other culture of religion.
today, probably. but in the entire history of Islam, no. other groups have been pretty good at it, at various times (again, the IRA, Basques, etc.). so, unless Islam is different today than it was, say 20 years ago when the IRA was going strong, your theory kinda falls over since obviously there is something else going on than just Islam. if Islam itself was the cause, we'd expect a constant number of Islamic terrorists over the past 600 years. Cleek | Image Toolkits | Thumbnail maker
Chris Losinger wrote:
so, when Dear Leader says it, it's gold. when someone you disagree with says the same thing, it's sh*t. idiocy.
I guess you really don't get it. I do not agree with GWB on this one. And I cannot prove it, but I bet he does not believe it as well.
Chris Losinger wrote:
today, probably. but in the entire history of Islam, no.
To be honest, I only care about today. I cannot do anything about people who died 100 or even 20 years ago. I can only be concerned about people today.
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Look at the license plate. Here is another pic of a Iranian Plate http://www.olavsplates.com/foto/ir_teh-94633.jpg
Again, has no bearing on the authenticity of your original post. The palte in the original is quite blured (although similar to this), and could just be a sloppy photoshop. You really are preaching to the choir here, but your "sermon" is junk. get better sermons, that kind ot troll bait is not useful. Absolute faith corrupts as absolutely as absolute power Eric Hoffer All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. Edmund Burke
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Rob Graham wrote:
I am in no way defending the act depicted. I am however very suspicious of "evidence" (even that that supports my views) that does not have clear indications of authenticity. It's a lesson I have learned by observing what happened to Bush (who I voted for) and Rumsfeld when they failed to adequately question every bit of "evidence" they had. When we accept any garbage that supports our beliefs, we risk later ridicule (and that makes our beliefs subject to ridicule by association). Islam and Sharia have many aspects that I abhor, but I don't want to try to make that point with possibly fraudulent "evidence", nor should you.
That is a far cry from "Only the CIA could fall for something this obviously faked."
A far cry from "slam dunk"? IMO George Tenet deserves most of the blame for the WMD debacle in Iraq, and mostly for beleiving and advancing "evidence" of the same verifiability as those photos. Absolute faith corrupts as absolutely as absolute power Eric Hoffer All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. Edmund Burke
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If thats true thats just fucking sick. Who the hell could possibly do something like that. Not Human. :mad:
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Chris Losinger wrote:
so, when Dear Leader says it, it's gold. when someone you disagree with says the same thing, it's sh*t. idiocy.
I guess you really don't get it. I do not agree with GWB on this one. And I cannot prove it, but I bet he does not believe it as well.
Chris Losinger wrote:
today, probably. but in the entire history of Islam, no.
To be honest, I only care about today. I cannot do anything about people who died 100 or even 20 years ago. I can only be concerned about people today.
kgaddy wrote:
And I cannot prove it, but I bet he does not believe it as well.
behold the magic of faith.
kgaddy wrote:
To be honest, I only care about today. I cannot do anything about people who died 100 or even 20 years ago. I can only be concerned about people today.
then you should be more careful making blanket statements about things that don't fit within your little window of interest. no doubt there's something going on in Islamic countries these days that generates terrorists, but there are hundreds and hundreds of million Muslims who aren't terrorists, won't become terrorists and don't support terrorists - and they don't deserve to be stigmatized for the actions of a handful of criminals who cloak themselves in religion, any more than all skinny white conservatives deserve to be stigmatized for the actions of McVeigh, Rudolph and Kopp. Cleek | Image Toolkits | Thumbnail maker
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This should provide an interesting challange for the moral equivalency crowd. I can't wait. X| EDIT - Must be moderate Muslims - that looks like a small family car. "Capitalism is the source of all true freedom." -- modified at 13:10 Tuesday 1st November, 2005
Stan Shannon wrote:
Must be moderate Muslims - that looks like a small family car.
Liberals, actually. Their next car will be a hybrid.
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them, not you. Of course all the muslim defenders will find some written drivel to use as rationale. I guess the reality is that they got what they asked for. You want a country run by Islamic radicals then you'll get a country run by Islamic radicals. The sad thing is, I bet this isn't radical in areas governed by sharia. Mike "We ain't stuck on stupid." badass Lt. General Russel Honore **"Remember - live bunnies are a great source of nourishment"**silly-assed cartoon
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"I'm an Iranian and I've seen these pictures in a report in a local newspaper before. It's not a 'punishment' or anything like that. If it was a punishment they wouldn't put the soft thing under the boy's arm. According to the report, the man in the picture is making a show of the boy's abilities just to make money from the people standing there. This is their everyday activity. Very Very sorrowing." Makes sense. You would think a religious punishment would be a little more traditional, unless the Quran predicts the advent of 4x4s. Of course, the first thing I thought was "Lets nuke the bastards", really must calm down. Ryan
O fools, awake! The rites you sacred hold Are but a cheat contrived by men of old, Who lusted after wealth and gained their lust And died in baseness—and their law is dust. al-Ma'arri (973-1057)
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Ed Gadziemski wrote:
you may wish to read before commenting further
I didn't see anything to change my opinion, but I had already said all I had intended to say.
Ed Gadziemski wrote:
including our "friends" Saudi Arabia.
I realize that, doesn't change my opinion. Mike "We ain't stuck on stupid." badass Lt. General Russel Honore **"Remember - live bunnies are a great source of nourishment"**silly-assed cartoon
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Stan Shannon wrote:
Must be moderate Muslims - that looks like a small family car.
Liberals, actually. Their next car will be a hybrid.
Ed Gadziemski wrote:
Their next car will be a hybrid
so you know them? Mike "We ain't stuck on stupid." badass Lt. General Russel Honore **"Remember - live bunnies are a great source of nourishment"**silly-assed cartoon
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kgaddy wrote:
And I cannot prove it, but I bet he does not believe it as well.
behold the magic of faith.
kgaddy wrote:
To be honest, I only care about today. I cannot do anything about people who died 100 or even 20 years ago. I can only be concerned about people today.
then you should be more careful making blanket statements about things that don't fit within your little window of interest. no doubt there's something going on in Islamic countries these days that generates terrorists, but there are hundreds and hundreds of million Muslims who aren't terrorists, won't become terrorists and don't support terrorists - and they don't deserve to be stigmatized for the actions of a handful of criminals who cloak themselves in religion, any more than all skinny white conservatives deserve to be stigmatized for the actions of McVeigh, Rudolph and Kopp. Cleek | Image Toolkits | Thumbnail maker
Chris Losinger wrote:
then you should be more careful making blanket statements about things that don't fit within your little window of interest. no doubt there's something going on in Islamic countries these days that generates terrorists, but there are hundreds and hundreds of million Muslims who aren't terrorists, won't become terrorists and don't support terrorists - and they don't deserve to be stigmatized for the actions of a handful of criminals who cloak themselves in religion, any more than all skinny white conservatives deserve to be stigmatized for the actions of McVeigh, Rudolph and Kopp.
One problem with you logic, the ratio of terrorist in Islam to to other cultures/religions are not the same. So, naming 3 terrorists do not make a equal comparison.
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"I'm an Iranian and I've seen these pictures in a report in a local newspaper before. It's not a 'punishment' or anything like that. If it was a punishment they wouldn't put the soft thing under the boy's arm. According to the report, the man in the picture is making a show of the boy's abilities just to make money from the people standing there. This is their everyday activity. Very Very sorrowing." Makes sense. You would think a religious punishment would be a little more traditional, unless the Quran predicts the advent of 4x4s. Of course, the first thing I thought was "Lets nuke the bastards", really must calm down. Ryan
O fools, awake! The rites you sacred hold Are but a cheat contrived by men of old, Who lusted after wealth and gained their lust And died in baseness—and their law is dust. al-Ma'arri (973-1057)
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"I'm an Iranian and I've seen these pictures in a report in a local newspaper before. It's not a 'punishment' or anything like that. If it was a punishment they wouldn't put the soft thing under the boy's arm. According to the report, the man in the picture is making a show of the boy's abilities just to make money from the people standing there. This is their everyday activity. Very Very sorrowing." Makes sense. You would think a religious punishment would be a little more traditional, unless the Quran predicts the advent of 4x4s. Of course, the first thing I thought was "Lets nuke the bastards", really must calm down. Ryan
O fools, awake! The rites you sacred hold Are but a cheat contrived by men of old, Who lusted after wealth and gained their lust And died in baseness—and their law is dust. al-Ma'arri (973-1057)
