Religion of Peace vs. 8-Year Old Boy
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Rob Graham wrote:
I am in no way defending the act depicted. I am however very suspicious of "evidence" (even that that supports my views) that does not have clear indications of authenticity. It's a lesson I have learned by observing what happened to Bush (who I voted for) and Rumsfeld when they failed to adequately question every bit of "evidence" they had. When we accept any garbage that supports our beliefs, we risk later ridicule (and that makes our beliefs subject to ridicule by association). Islam and Sharia have many aspects that I abhor, but I don't want to try to make that point with possibly fraudulent "evidence", nor should you.
That is a far cry from "Only the CIA could fall for something this obviously faked."
A far cry from "slam dunk"? IMO George Tenet deserves most of the blame for the WMD debacle in Iraq, and mostly for beleiving and advancing "evidence" of the same verifiability as those photos. Absolute faith corrupts as absolutely as absolute power Eric Hoffer All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. Edmund Burke
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If thats true thats just fucking sick. Who the hell could possibly do something like that. Not Human. :mad:
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Chris Losinger wrote:
so, when Dear Leader says it, it's gold. when someone you disagree with says the same thing, it's sh*t. idiocy.
I guess you really don't get it. I do not agree with GWB on this one. And I cannot prove it, but I bet he does not believe it as well.
Chris Losinger wrote:
today, probably. but in the entire history of Islam, no.
To be honest, I only care about today. I cannot do anything about people who died 100 or even 20 years ago. I can only be concerned about people today.
kgaddy wrote:
And I cannot prove it, but I bet he does not believe it as well.
behold the magic of faith.
kgaddy wrote:
To be honest, I only care about today. I cannot do anything about people who died 100 or even 20 years ago. I can only be concerned about people today.
then you should be more careful making blanket statements about things that don't fit within your little window of interest. no doubt there's something going on in Islamic countries these days that generates terrorists, but there are hundreds and hundreds of million Muslims who aren't terrorists, won't become terrorists and don't support terrorists - and they don't deserve to be stigmatized for the actions of a handful of criminals who cloak themselves in religion, any more than all skinny white conservatives deserve to be stigmatized for the actions of McVeigh, Rudolph and Kopp. Cleek | Image Toolkits | Thumbnail maker
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This should provide an interesting challange for the moral equivalency crowd. I can't wait. X| EDIT - Must be moderate Muslims - that looks like a small family car. "Capitalism is the source of all true freedom." -- modified at 13:10 Tuesday 1st November, 2005
Stan Shannon wrote:
Must be moderate Muslims - that looks like a small family car.
Liberals, actually. Their next car will be a hybrid.
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them, not you. Of course all the muslim defenders will find some written drivel to use as rationale. I guess the reality is that they got what they asked for. You want a country run by Islamic radicals then you'll get a country run by Islamic radicals. The sad thing is, I bet this isn't radical in areas governed by sharia. Mike "We ain't stuck on stupid." badass Lt. General Russel Honore **"Remember - live bunnies are a great source of nourishment"**silly-assed cartoon
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"I'm an Iranian and I've seen these pictures in a report in a local newspaper before. It's not a 'punishment' or anything like that. If it was a punishment they wouldn't put the soft thing under the boy's arm. According to the report, the man in the picture is making a show of the boy's abilities just to make money from the people standing there. This is their everyday activity. Very Very sorrowing." Makes sense. You would think a religious punishment would be a little more traditional, unless the Quran predicts the advent of 4x4s. Of course, the first thing I thought was "Lets nuke the bastards", really must calm down. Ryan
O fools, awake! The rites you sacred hold Are but a cheat contrived by men of old, Who lusted after wealth and gained their lust And died in baseness—and their law is dust. al-Ma'arri (973-1057)
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Ed Gadziemski wrote:
you may wish to read before commenting further
I didn't see anything to change my opinion, but I had already said all I had intended to say.
Ed Gadziemski wrote:
including our "friends" Saudi Arabia.
I realize that, doesn't change my opinion. Mike "We ain't stuck on stupid." badass Lt. General Russel Honore **"Remember - live bunnies are a great source of nourishment"**silly-assed cartoon
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Stan Shannon wrote:
Must be moderate Muslims - that looks like a small family car.
Liberals, actually. Their next car will be a hybrid.
Ed Gadziemski wrote:
Their next car will be a hybrid
so you know them? Mike "We ain't stuck on stupid." badass Lt. General Russel Honore **"Remember - live bunnies are a great source of nourishment"**silly-assed cartoon
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kgaddy wrote:
And I cannot prove it, but I bet he does not believe it as well.
behold the magic of faith.
kgaddy wrote:
To be honest, I only care about today. I cannot do anything about people who died 100 or even 20 years ago. I can only be concerned about people today.
then you should be more careful making blanket statements about things that don't fit within your little window of interest. no doubt there's something going on in Islamic countries these days that generates terrorists, but there are hundreds and hundreds of million Muslims who aren't terrorists, won't become terrorists and don't support terrorists - and they don't deserve to be stigmatized for the actions of a handful of criminals who cloak themselves in religion, any more than all skinny white conservatives deserve to be stigmatized for the actions of McVeigh, Rudolph and Kopp. Cleek | Image Toolkits | Thumbnail maker
Chris Losinger wrote:
then you should be more careful making blanket statements about things that don't fit within your little window of interest. no doubt there's something going on in Islamic countries these days that generates terrorists, but there are hundreds and hundreds of million Muslims who aren't terrorists, won't become terrorists and don't support terrorists - and they don't deserve to be stigmatized for the actions of a handful of criminals who cloak themselves in religion, any more than all skinny white conservatives deserve to be stigmatized for the actions of McVeigh, Rudolph and Kopp.
One problem with you logic, the ratio of terrorist in Islam to to other cultures/religions are not the same. So, naming 3 terrorists do not make a equal comparison.
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"I'm an Iranian and I've seen these pictures in a report in a local newspaper before. It's not a 'punishment' or anything like that. If it was a punishment they wouldn't put the soft thing under the boy's arm. According to the report, the man in the picture is making a show of the boy's abilities just to make money from the people standing there. This is their everyday activity. Very Very sorrowing." Makes sense. You would think a religious punishment would be a little more traditional, unless the Quran predicts the advent of 4x4s. Of course, the first thing I thought was "Lets nuke the bastards", really must calm down. Ryan
O fools, awake! The rites you sacred hold Are but a cheat contrived by men of old, Who lusted after wealth and gained their lust And died in baseness—and their law is dust. al-Ma'arri (973-1057)
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"I'm an Iranian and I've seen these pictures in a report in a local newspaper before. It's not a 'punishment' or anything like that. If it was a punishment they wouldn't put the soft thing under the boy's arm. According to the report, the man in the picture is making a show of the boy's abilities just to make money from the people standing there. This is their everyday activity. Very Very sorrowing." Makes sense. You would think a religious punishment would be a little more traditional, unless the Quran predicts the advent of 4x4s. Of course, the first thing I thought was "Lets nuke the bastards", really must calm down. Ryan
O fools, awake! The rites you sacred hold Are but a cheat contrived by men of old, Who lusted after wealth and gained their lust And died in baseness—and their law is dust. al-Ma'arri (973-1057)
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OMG that is truly sick. :mad::mad::mad: Anna :rose: Riverblade Ltd - Software Consultancy Services Anna's Place | Tears and Laughter "Be yourself - not what others think you should be" - Marcia Graesch "Anna's just a sexy-looking lesbian tart" - A friend, trying to wind me up. It didn't work.
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Chris Losinger wrote:
then you should be more careful making blanket statements about things that don't fit within your little window of interest. no doubt there's something going on in Islamic countries these days that generates terrorists, but there are hundreds and hundreds of million Muslims who aren't terrorists, won't become terrorists and don't support terrorists - and they don't deserve to be stigmatized for the actions of a handful of criminals who cloak themselves in religion, any more than all skinny white conservatives deserve to be stigmatized for the actions of McVeigh, Rudolph and Kopp.
One problem with you logic, the ratio of terrorist in Islam to to other cultures/religions are not the same. So, naming 3 terrorists do not make a equal comparison.
If you can get BBC Northern Ireland in Kgaddyland, you can see many dozens more White Christian Terrorists than you'll ever see Arab Muslim ones. We reward them by letting them run in politics with one hand, while they sweep the bodies of hundreds of murdered civilians under the carpet with their other. Civilians who were it not for the actions of those White Christian Terrorists acting in the name of their White Christian God would still be alive today for you to be concerned about. The problem with your logic is you don't have any. Don't forget the number one rule when trying to bullshit someone - make sure the shit runs off your argument else you are left holding a very sticky mess. Poverty, education and oppression are the things that create terrorists, not a book written 2000 years ago, regardless of which translation you choose to read. You'll notice that the ratio of terrorists in the poorest regions of the world to other areas are not the same, not even close. The ratio of Muslims to other religious people is not as uniformly spread.
Ðavid Wulff Audioscrobbler :: flickr Die Freiheit spielt auf allen Geigen (video)
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them, not you. Of course all the muslim defenders will find some written drivel to use as rationale. I guess the reality is that they got what they asked for. You want a country run by Islamic radicals then you'll get a country run by Islamic radicals. The sad thing is, I bet this isn't radical in areas governed by sharia. Mike "We ain't stuck on stupid." badass Lt. General Russel Honore **"Remember - live bunnies are a great source of nourishment"**silly-assed cartoon
I'm sorry Mike, but where at all does it say authoritively that anyone in those photos is a Muslim, or even what happened? If you look at the source of the photos, http://web.peykeiran.com/new/default.aspx[^], it says the man in the picture is making a show of the boy's abilities to make money from the crowd. They are street performers. The microphone is a dead givaway. As is the behaviour of the crowd. I've seen something similar over here with a Mini driving right over a man laying in the street. One of the craziest things I've every seen (and yes it did hurt him, *a lot*). But hey, let's not let something like that get in the way of a good collective Muslim bashing! Mob mentality rules!
Ðavid Wulff Audioscrobbler :: flickr Die Freiheit spielt auf allen Geigen (video)
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If you can get BBC Northern Ireland in Kgaddyland, you can see many dozens more White Christian Terrorists than you'll ever see Arab Muslim ones. We reward them by letting them run in politics with one hand, while they sweep the bodies of hundreds of murdered civilians under the carpet with their other. Civilians who were it not for the actions of those White Christian Terrorists acting in the name of their White Christian God would still be alive today for you to be concerned about. The problem with your logic is you don't have any. Don't forget the number one rule when trying to bullshit someone - make sure the shit runs off your argument else you are left holding a very sticky mess. Poverty, education and oppression are the things that create terrorists, not a book written 2000 years ago, regardless of which translation you choose to read. You'll notice that the ratio of terrorists in the poorest regions of the world to other areas are not the same, not even close. The ratio of Muslims to other religious people is not as uniformly spread.
Ðavid Wulff Audioscrobbler :: flickr Die Freiheit spielt auf allen Geigen (video)
David Wulff wrote:
Poverty, education and oppression are the things that create terrorists
Well that certainly explains why a bunch of well-educated, middle-class Saudis living in freedom in the US flew those planes into the WTC and Pentagon. :doh: "The world is a dangerous place to live, not because of the people who are evil, but because of the people who don't do anything about it." Albert Einstein Dave
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David Wulff wrote:
Poverty, education and oppression are the things that create terrorists
Well that certainly explains why a bunch of well-educated, middle-class Saudis living in freedom in the US flew those planes into the WTC and Pentagon. :doh: "The world is a dangerous place to live, not because of the people who are evil, but because of the people who don't do anything about it." Albert Einstein Dave
If you look around you then you will notice that going to an expensive private school does make you intelligent. You learn what your teachers teach you, and if your teachers have an agenda of their own that is what you will learn. Just look at the rabid political opinions that seem to be a part of almost everything south of your own borders. If you mention you wipe your arse with your left hand round here you get Kerry, Bush and Clinton simultaneously shoved up your arse from different angles, and Stan will call you a Liberal for not shitting in the woods like a real man. Middle class, well that is the lowest common denominator for most of the people in the western world. If you work 9 till 5 and are asleep indoors at 3am then you are middle class. I, sadly, know a lot of middle class households who are living below the poverty line. Maybe not according to the government publicity figures, but if you can't afford the basic foodstuffs each week and heat your home at the same time (if you are lucky enough to have a home with heating) then you are living in poverty. Poverty is about not having the means to pull yourself higher, to raise your standard of living, whether that is with money, socially or physically - not which postcode area you live in. As for oppression, there are many Americans living in freedom in the US who believe they are being oppressed.
Ðavid Wulff Audioscrobbler :: flickr Die Freiheit spielt auf allen Geigen (video)
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Pumk1nh3ad wrote:
Just read today's school curriculum
where can i get a copy of it ? Cleek | Image Toolkits | Thumbnail maker
Chris Losinger wrote:
where can i get a copy of it ?
Why are you asking me that? Are you trying to ruin that statement's credibility by asking me an irrelevant question, or do you really want to buy some curriculum to see if I am right?
Pumk1nh3ad illustrates that Intelligent Design oft goes awry. - Ed Gadziemski
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Chris Losinger wrote:
where can i get a copy of it ?
Why are you asking me that? Are you trying to ruin that statement's credibility by asking me an irrelevant question, or do you really want to buy some curriculum to see if I am right?
Pumk1nh3ad illustrates that Intelligent Design oft goes awry. - Ed Gadziemski
Boy, you sure learn fast! Mike "We ain't stuck on stupid." badass Lt. General Russel Honore **"Remember - live bunnies are a great source of nourishment"**silly-assed cartoon
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I'm sorry Mike, but where at all does it say authoritively that anyone in those photos is a Muslim, or even what happened? If you look at the source of the photos, http://web.peykeiran.com/new/default.aspx[^], it says the man in the picture is making a show of the boy's abilities to make money from the crowd. They are street performers. The microphone is a dead givaway. As is the behaviour of the crowd. I've seen something similar over here with a Mini driving right over a man laying in the street. One of the craziest things I've every seen (and yes it did hurt him, *a lot*). But hey, let's not let something like that get in the way of a good collective Muslim bashing! Mob mentality rules!
Ðavid Wulff Audioscrobbler :: flickr Die Freiheit spielt auf allen Geigen (video)
David Wulff wrote:
but where at all does it say authoritively that anyone in those photos is a Muslim
you can make what ever assumption you choose. Mike "We ain't stuck on stupid." badass Lt. General Russel Honore **"Remember - live bunnies are a great source of nourishment"**silly-assed cartoon