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It does seem that America and the World are so divided. I am not going to say that it is all bush's fault, though. Bush has done much to anger the world at us. With his arrogant spirit, like is shown in his comments like "Bring it on..." (a message to the Iraqi insurgency", and his desire to "spread democracy" to any oil-rich nation. Part of it is the Oil For Food scandal. I think that France was so opposed to us going into Iraq, because we would uncover their involvement in it, and embarass them, which we did. The muslim nations hating us has nothing to do with Bush. They hate us because of the effect our western liberal culture is having on their theocracies. People are begining to think more independently now, and they hate that. And, I think that many other nations envy our freedom and wealth, too.
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Pumk1nh3ad wrote:
I think that France was so opposed to us going into Iraq, because we would uncover their involvement in it, and embarass them, which we did.
Technically 'you' didn't. A french judges began an inquiry in 2002. This conclusion seems as far-fetched as claiming that the US invaded to cover its involvment in the scam. Both french and americans people are/were prosecuted, but I don't think in either case the scam was the reason behind both foreign policies. Oil probably is, in both cases, but not the scam itself, which is peanuts regarding what is at stake. Anyway, even if France did not oppose, China and Russia would have vetoed any resolution asking for the invasion.
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Where did you see I condemned such a behaviour or say it was unnatural, your paranoid deliriums excepted?
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quote:"my opinion there is also no doubt that US governments always put the US interests first and didn't care about making the world a happier place for non-americans." You say this with a air of condemnation. -- modified at 12:07 Thursday 3rd November, 2005
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fat_boy wrote:
No, they hate you because America is a Zionist nation
WTF? You been hanging out on stormfront? Ryan
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quote:"my opinion there is also no doubt that US governments always put the US interests first and didn't care about making the world a happier place for non-americans." You say this with a air of condemnation. -- modified at 12:07 Thursday 3rd November, 2005
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:laugh: nearly all most major polls that have come out in the last month have Bush below 40%. http://www.pollkatz.homestead.com/files/pollkatzmainGRAPHICS_8911_image001.gif[^] got any evidence that they're all part of a giant left-wing conspiracy to mislead the country into believing Bush isn't popular ? Cleek | Image Toolkits | Thumbnail maker -- modified at 11:07 Thursday 3rd November, 2005
Chris Losinger wrote:
got any evidence that they're all part of a giant left-wing conspiracy to mislead the country into believing Bush isn't popular ?
no but you're dodging the question. what was the composition of the polled universe, actually on this or any other poll. it isnt' really important, his approval rating can go to 5% but he is still the president unless the left comes up with an impeachable offense. Mike "We ain't stuck on stupid." badass Lt. General Russel Honore **"Remember - live bunnies are a great source of nourishment"**silly-assed cartoon
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Chris Losinger wrote:
got any evidence that they're all part of a giant left-wing conspiracy to mislead the country into believing Bush isn't popular ?
no but you're dodging the question. what was the composition of the polled universe, actually on this or any other poll. it isnt' really important, his approval rating can go to 5% but he is still the president unless the left comes up with an impeachable offense. Mike "We ain't stuck on stupid." badass Lt. General Russel Honore **"Remember - live bunnies are a great source of nourishment"**silly-assed cartoon
Mike Gaskey wrote:
no but you're dodging the question
when all the major polls come in within 6 or 8 points of each other, you have to assume the real number is in that range. all those polling companies compete with each other to give the most accurate results, and they get big bucks for doing it.
Mike Gaskey wrote:
it isnt' really important, his approval rating can go to 5% but he is still the president
i bet it matters a lot to all the congressional Republicans who would probably rather ride the coattails of a popular president than have to deal with the fact that they spent the last 5 years supporting an unpopular one. Cleek | Image Toolkits | Thumbnail maker
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Mike Gaskey wrote:
no but you're dodging the question
when all the major polls come in within 6 or 8 points of each other, you have to assume the real number is in that range. all those polling companies compete with each other to give the most accurate results, and they get big bucks for doing it.
Mike Gaskey wrote:
it isnt' really important, his approval rating can go to 5% but he is still the president
i bet it matters a lot to all the congressional Republicans who would probably rather ride the coattails of a popular president than have to deal with the fact that they spent the last 5 years supporting an unpopular one. Cleek | Image Toolkits | Thumbnail maker
Chris Losinger wrote:
i bet it matters a lot to all the congressional Republicans who would probably rather.............
I agree. if elections were held today, Bush appearances would be filtered based on locale. Loong time to go yet though. Mike "We ain't stuck on stupid." badass Lt. General Russel Honore **"Remember - live bunnies are a great source of nourishment"**silly-assed cartoon
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It does seem that America and the World are so divided. I am not going to say that it is all bush's fault, though. Bush has done much to anger the world at us. With his arrogant spirit, like is shown in his comments like "Bring it on..." (a message to the Iraqi insurgency", and his desire to "spread democracy" to any oil-rich nation. Part of it is the Oil For Food scandal. I think that France was so opposed to us going into Iraq, because we would uncover their involvement in it, and embarass them, which we did. The muslim nations hating us has nothing to do with Bush. They hate us because of the effect our western liberal culture is having on their theocracies. People are begining to think more independently now, and they hate that. And, I think that many other nations envy our freedom and wealth, too.
Pumk1nh3ad illustrates that Intelligent Design oft goes awry. - Ed Gadziemski
Pumk1nh3ad wrote:
I think that many other nations envy our freedom and wealth
European countries have freedom and wealth. Many people in Europe dislike America not just because of Bush but because of the arrogant attitude of some Americans. Some people from the USA who strike up a conversation with the locals seem to assume that everyone else wants to hear about how wonderful America is and how much better it is than the country they are visiting. If you are looking for an analogy you do not go to visit a friend and tell them how much better your house is because they will shortly not be a friend any more.
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Bush at 35%[^] why does America hate America? Cleek | Image Toolkits | Thumbnail maker
Chris Losinger wrote:
Bush at 35%
When the sample only contains about 25% Republican I'd say he was doing OK with the opposition! ed ~"Watch your thoughts; they become your words. Watch your words they become your actions. Watch your actions; they become your habits. Watch your habits; they become your character. Watch your character; it becomes your destiny." -Frank Outlaw. -- modified at 14:25 Sunday 6th November, 2005 I didn't catch the other remarks however yes...the percentage for Republicans was 25%. I don't have the link anymore that showed the breakdown but I'd call it manufactured news.
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Chris Losinger wrote:
Bush at 35%
When the sample only contains about 25% Republican I'd say he was doing OK with the opposition! ed ~"Watch your thoughts; they become your words. Watch your words they become your actions. Watch your actions; they become your habits. Watch your habits; they become your character. Watch your character; it becomes your destiny." -Frank Outlaw. -- modified at 14:25 Sunday 6th November, 2005 I didn't catch the other remarks however yes...the percentage for Republicans was 25%. I don't have the link anymore that showed the breakdown but I'd call it manufactured news.
Ed K wrote:
25% Republican
got a cite for that ? i don't see that number anywhere in the article. Cleek | Image Toolkits | Thumbnail maker
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Ed K wrote:
25% Republican
got a cite for that ? i don't see that number anywhere in the article. Cleek | Image Toolkits | Thumbnail maker
Chris Losinger wrote:
i don't see that number anywhere in the article
This didn't post the first time... Democrat Republican Independent Other No op. 11/2/05 31 27 38 3 1 Here^] and Here[^] And my mistake...27% ed ~"Watch your thoughts; they become your words. Watch your words they become your actions. Watch your actions; they become your habits. Watch your habits; they become your character. Watch your character; it becomes your destiny." -Frank Outlaw.
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Chris Losinger wrote:
i don't see that number anywhere in the article
This didn't post the first time... Democrat Republican Independent Other No op. 11/2/05 31 27 38 3 1 Here^] and Here[^] And my mistake...27% ed ~"Watch your thoughts; they become your words. Watch your words they become your actions. Watch your actions; they become your habits. Watch your habits; they become your character. Watch your character; it becomes your destiny." -Frank Outlaw.
errr... 4 points isn't exactly a huge deal. but, feel free to discount this particular poll. now go out and find a reason to discount all the others: http://www.pollkatz.homestead.com/files/pollkatzmainGRAPHICS_8911_image001.gif[^] -c Cleek | Image Toolkits | Thumbnail maker
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errr... 4 points isn't exactly a huge deal. but, feel free to discount this particular poll. now go out and find a reason to discount all the others: http://www.pollkatz.homestead.com/files/pollkatzmainGRAPHICS_8911_image001.gif[^] -c Cleek | Image Toolkits | Thumbnail maker
Chris Losinger wrote:
discount all the others
When they are all coming in with the same numbers however they also proclaim that Republican approval is >= 80% then do the math! Geez! This isn't rocket science! ed ~"Watch your thoughts; they become your words. Watch your words they become your actions. Watch your actions; they become your habits. Watch your habits; they become your character. Watch your character; it becomes your destiny." -Frank Outlaw.
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Chris Losinger wrote:
discount all the others
When they are all coming in with the same numbers however they also proclaim that Republican approval is >= 80% then do the math! Geez! This isn't rocket science! ed ~"Watch your thoughts; they become your words. Watch your words they become your actions. Watch your actions; they become your habits. Watch your habits; they become your character. Watch your character; it becomes your destiny." -Frank Outlaw.
so, there's a giant conspiracy by all the big polling companies to undersample republicans ? Cleek | Image Toolkits | Thumbnail maker
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so, there's a giant conspiracy by all the big polling companies to undersample republicans ? Cleek | Image Toolkits | Thumbnail maker
Chris Losinger wrote:
giant conspiracy
Draw your own conclusion. My point is that when all the numbers are all the same however they also state that 80% or more of Republicans strongly support Bush then it's obvious they are all doing a creative job (similar to creative accounting) making their own news cycle. My conclusion is that when they are making the calls...who is working? ed ~"Watch your thoughts; they become your words. Watch your words they become your actions. Watch your actions; they become your habits. Watch your habits; they become your character. Watch your character; it becomes your destiny." -Frank Outlaw.
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Chris Losinger wrote:
giant conspiracy
Draw your own conclusion. My point is that when all the numbers are all the same however they also state that 80% or more of Republicans strongly support Bush then it's obvious they are all doing a creative job (similar to creative accounting) making their own news cycle. My conclusion is that when they are making the calls...who is working? ed ~"Watch your thoughts; they become your words. Watch your words they become your actions. Watch your actions; they become your habits. Watch your habits; they become your character. Watch your character; it becomes your destiny." -Frank Outlaw.
Ed K wrote:
Draw your own conclusion
done. Cleek | Image Toolkits | Thumbnail maker
