Free speech is an important right, but, ...
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Colin Angus Mackay wrote:
The changes in the Terrorism Act were made before the 7th of July.
That is odd, I wonder why? I bet conspiracy theorists love to speculate about that.
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Pumk1nh3ad wrote:
That is odd, I wonder why?
It was a hard fought debate in Parliament in February/March. The previous terrorism act was about to expire prematurely because a judge had deemed the previous act illegal and as a result the government would have to release certain people from prison. The bill went from the House of Commons to the House of Lords and back several times over 3 days. The Lords rejecting it each time until eventually a compromise was reached. The bill became an Act just hours before the prisoners had to be released. Some of the prisoners still had to be released, but were fitted with an electronic tagging device rather than being completely free to go. Did the changes to the Terrorism Act prevent July 7th being worse? No, because the people that were involved weren't even on the government's radar. They wouldn't have been in prison anyway. Currently, the police can hold a person for 28 days without trial, or even any evidence. People already have had their lives destroyed by this act. There is a business man who was part of a group who were protesting about father's rights in divorce cases, he was arrested and held under the terrorism act. Information was relayed to the United States about the fact that this was the case and now he cannot enter the United States so he had to shut down his business operations there hurting not only himself but those people in the US that he employed.
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But I think that we already live in a society where free speech is banned all the time - in the name of political correctness. People lose their jobs, for example, for making comments with poorly chosen words that can be interpreted as being racist. Is that a bad thing? Well, we seem to live in a less racist society. Maybe all that political correctness accounts for that. I trust the people to determine what represents socially acceptable speech and what doesn't. In the US, at least, the first amendment was never considered by those who wrote it to provide for absolute freedoms. It was assumed that local communities would continue, as they had always done, to be the final arbiters of what sort of speech was appropriate. "Patriotism is the first refuge of a patriot."
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Not at all. I don't know if you're an American or not, but freedom of speech is our most cherished right. Votaire once said, "I may disagree with what you have to say, but I shall defend, to the death, your right to say it." That sums up the American attitude towards freedom of speech better than anything I've ever read. Free speech zones suck. Those who would restrict free speech are anti- American.
Jim A. Johnson wrote:
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Couldn't they get email hosting along with the website? I mean pindick@earthlink.net just isn't as impressive as pindick@americannaziparty.com. Michael Martin Australia "I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So i had to leave the place as soon as possible." - Mr.Prakash 24/04/2004
Michael Martin wrote:
Couldn't they get email hosting along with the website?
They were probably too stupid to know how.
Pumk1nh3ad illustrates that Intelligent Design oft goes awry. - Ed Gadziemski You did'nt get it. I over estimated you. - Josh Gray
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But I think that we already live in a society where free speech is banned all the time - in the name of political correctness. People lose their jobs, for example, for making comments with poorly chosen words that can be interpreted as being racist. Is that a bad thing? Well, we seem to live in a less racist society. Maybe all that political correctness accounts for that. I trust the people to determine what represents socially acceptable speech and what doesn't. In the US, at least, the first amendment was never considered by those who wrote it to provide for absolute freedoms. It was assumed that local communities would continue, as they had always done, to be the final arbiters of what sort of speech was appropriate. "Patriotism is the first refuge of a patriot."
Stan Shannon wrote:
I trust the people to determine what represents socially acceptable speech and what doesn't. In the US, at least, the first amendment was never considered by those who wrote it to provide for absolute freedoms. It was assumed that local communities would continue, as they had always done, to be the final arbiters of what sort of speech was appropriate.
You have a good point. The first ammendment says:
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.
The 10th ammendment says:
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people
So, since it is not up to Congress what constitutes as acceptable speech, it must be up to the states and the people.
Pumk1nh3ad illustrates that Intelligent Design oft goes awry. - Ed Gadziemski You did'nt get it. I over estimated you. - Josh Gray
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Pumk1nh3ad wrote:
That is odd, I wonder why?
It was a hard fought debate in Parliament in February/March. The previous terrorism act was about to expire prematurely because a judge had deemed the previous act illegal and as a result the government would have to release certain people from prison. The bill went from the House of Commons to the House of Lords and back several times over 3 days. The Lords rejecting it each time until eventually a compromise was reached. The bill became an Act just hours before the prisoners had to be released. Some of the prisoners still had to be released, but were fitted with an electronic tagging device rather than being completely free to go. Did the changes to the Terrorism Act prevent July 7th being worse? No, because the people that were involved weren't even on the government's radar. They wouldn't have been in prison anyway. Currently, the police can hold a person for 28 days without trial, or even any evidence. People already have had their lives destroyed by this act. There is a business man who was part of a group who were protesting about father's rights in divorce cases, he was arrested and held under the terrorism act. Information was relayed to the United States about the fact that this was the case and now he cannot enter the United States so he had to shut down his business operations there hurting not only himself but those people in the US that he employed.
My: Blog | Photos "Man who stand on hill with mouth open will wait long time for roast duck to drop in." -- Confucious
After 9/11 we passed the "Patriot Act". That basically gives the FBI the ability to snoop through anyone's personal information. It also gives them the ability to spy on anyone they want. And, they can hold you as long as they see fit if they decide to arrest you under "Terrorism Charges".
Pumk1nh3ad illustrates that Intelligent Design oft goes awry. - Ed Gadziemski You did'nt get it. I over estimated you. - Josh Gray -- modified at 15:39 Sunday 20th November, 2005
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After 9/11 we passed the "Patriot Act". That basically gives the FBI the ability to snoop through anyone's personal information. It also gives them the ability to spy on anyone they want. And, they can hold you as long as they see fit if they decide to arrest you under "Terrorism Charges".
Pumk1nh3ad illustrates that Intelligent Design oft goes awry. - Ed Gadziemski You did'nt get it. I over estimated you. - Josh Gray -- modified at 15:39 Sunday 20th November, 2005
Pumk1nh3ad wrote:
It also gives them the ability to spy on anyone they want.
That sounds like it is violation of your fourth ammendment.
Pumk1nh3ad wrote:
And, they can hold you as long as they see fit if they decide to arrest you under "Terrorism Charges".
Pumk1nh3ad wrote:
And, they can hold you as long as they see fit if they decide to arrest you under "Terrorism Charges".
Doesn't that violate your fifth ammendment?
My: Blog | Photos "Man who stand on hill with mouth open will wait long time for roast duck to drop in." -- Confucious
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Michael Martin wrote:
Couldn't they get email hosting along with the website?
They were probably too stupid to know how.
Pumk1nh3ad illustrates that Intelligent Design oft goes awry. - Ed Gadziemski You did'nt get it. I over estimated you. - Josh Gray
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Pumk1nh3ad wrote:
It also gives them the ability to spy on anyone they want.
That sounds like it is violation of your fourth ammendment.
Pumk1nh3ad wrote:
And, they can hold you as long as they see fit if they decide to arrest you under "Terrorism Charges".
Pumk1nh3ad wrote:
And, they can hold you as long as they see fit if they decide to arrest you under "Terrorism Charges".
Doesn't that violate your fifth ammendment?
My: Blog | Photos "Man who stand on hill with mouth open will wait long time for roast duck to drop in." -- Confucious
It violates both the fourth and fifth ammendment. Our government can get by with anything they want if they can convince the pepole that they are safer for it.
Pumk1nh3ad illustrates that Intelligent Design oft goes awry. - Ed Gadziemski You did'nt get it. I over estimated you. - Josh Gray
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It violates both the fourth and fifth ammendment. Our government can get by with anything they want if they can convince the pepole that they are safer for it.
Pumk1nh3ad illustrates that Intelligent Design oft goes awry. - Ed Gadziemski You did'nt get it. I over estimated you. - Josh Gray
That sounds familiar. Tony Blair is like that. He thinks he can push through any laws he likes if he convinces people that they will be safer for it. However, because of the First-past-the-post voting system in use here, he was elected on only 35% of the vote and people are not happy. He is having a tougher and tougher time.
My: Blog | Photos "Man who stand on hill with mouth open will wait long time for roast duck to drop in." -- Confucious
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Pumk1nh3ad wrote:
It also gives them the ability to spy on anyone they want.
That sounds like it is violation of your fourth ammendment.
Pumk1nh3ad wrote:
And, they can hold you as long as they see fit if they decide to arrest you under "Terrorism Charges".
Pumk1nh3ad wrote:
And, they can hold you as long as they see fit if they decide to arrest you under "Terrorism Charges".
Doesn't that violate your fifth ammendment?
My: Blog | Photos "Man who stand on hill with mouth open will wait long time for roast duck to drop in." -- Confucious
Colin Angus Mackay wrote:
That sounds like it is violation of your fourth ammendment. Doesn't that violate your fifth ammendment?
Actually, all the ammendments are essentially irrelevant with the patriot act. Although, theoretically, you cannot abridge a constitutional ammendment without another constitutional ammendment... the theory is they have only established clear preference between the three branches of government. The executive branch having senior privledge over all other branches, thus exempt from any limitations when "security of the country" is required. No trial may ever be required, no limit to imprisonment, no rights within prison to religion, or to speak of your capture, or face a jury of your peers, or any jury anywhere. Basically all the ammendments are laid waste by the patriot act. _________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
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Good point, but I am not classifying people according to their race, the people on my list are there because of what they do, and their beliefs. Also, I am not taking on the beliefs of someone who started a world war trying dominate all of Europe, and kill off an entire race of people.
Pumk1nh3ad illustrates that Intelligent Design oft goes awry. - Ed Gadziemski You did'nt get it. I over estimated you. - Josh Gray
Pumk1nh3ad wrote:
but I am not classifying people according to their race
Only religion, right ? Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++
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Pumk1nh3ad wrote:
but I am not classifying people according to their race
Only religion, right ? Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++
Christian Graus wrote:
Only religion, right ?
You must not have read my list. What do socialists, or gun control advocates have to do with religion?
Pumk1nh3ad illustrates that Intelligent Design oft goes awry. - Ed Gadziemski You did'nt get it. I over estimated you. - Josh Gray
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Christian Graus wrote:
Only religion, right ?
You must not have read my list. What do socialists, or gun control advocates have to do with religion?
Pumk1nh3ad illustrates that Intelligent Design oft goes awry. - Ed Gadziemski You did'nt get it. I over estimated you. - Josh Gray
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That sounds familiar. Tony Blair is like that. He thinks he can push through any laws he likes if he convinces people that they will be safer for it. However, because of the First-past-the-post voting system in use here, he was elected on only 35% of the vote and people are not happy. He is having a tougher and tougher time.
My: Blog | Photos "Man who stand on hill with mouth open will wait long time for roast duck to drop in." -- Confucious
It sounds like Tony Blair and Bush have alot in common. Only, I think Tony Blair is more intelligent. Once, Bush was asked what him and Blair had in common, and he replied "We both use colgate toothpaste." For a list of some other stupid things bush has said, go here: http://politicalhumor.about.com/library/blbushisms.htm
Pumk1nh3ad illustrates that Intelligent Design oft goes awry. - Ed Gadziemski You did'nt get it. I over estimated you. - Josh Gray
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Christian Graus wrote:
Only religion, right ?
You must not have read my list. What do socialists, or gun control advocates have to do with religion?
Pumk1nh3ad illustrates that Intelligent Design oft goes awry. - Ed Gadziemski You did'nt get it. I over estimated you. - Josh Gray
Pumk1nh3ad wrote:
What do socialists, or gun control advocates have to do with religion?
Nothing, but do you know what a Muslim is ? Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++
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Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote:
Everything, if you ask Stan
That is true. Everything we humans do ultimately turns out to be about religion. :-D "Patriotism is the first refuge of a patriot."
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Pumk1nh3ad wrote:
What do socialists, or gun control advocates have to do with religion?
Nothing, but do you know what a Muslim is ? Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++
Christian Graus wrote:
Only religion, right ?
You seemed to suggest that I only classified people according to religion. And, yes, I know what a Muslim is. Everyone does.
Pumk1nh3ad illustrates that Intelligent Design oft goes awry. - Ed Gadziemski You did'nt get it. I over estimated you. - Josh Gray
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Christian Graus wrote:
Only religion, right ?
You seemed to suggest that I only classified people according to religion. And, yes, I know what a Muslim is. Everyone does.
Pumk1nh3ad illustrates that Intelligent Design oft goes awry. - Ed Gadziemski You did'nt get it. I over estimated you. - Josh Gray
Pumk1nh3ad wrote:
You seemed to suggest that I only classified people according to religion.
You did classify people by religion. Obviously you made other generalisations as well, I just thought I'd point that one out. Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++