Avant Browser - pros and cons
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I know FireFox users hate IE (not the IE users i presume :) ) I tried avant browser after a message by Marc here[^]and i am finding it with loads of extended features which IE users always wanted to have at a single place. I would say its Definitely not for FF users because its too sophisticated and a bit complicated interface,due to enhanced feature list, but for IE users this adds an immense features all IE users always wanted. 1st the "The Con's " 1. Seems to be too cluttered (Firefox or IE Interface is much simpler) 2. Somebody said it crashes (but not till now i have used it for three days) 3. It is 100% based on Internet Explorer, it actually extends the IE using inbuilt BHO. 4. There are two tabs which are really horrible a> Yahoo search tab (may be somebody find it useful but you can hide it) b> Similar website (This one actually is a bit cluttery one you might see you can hide this one too ) might show a set of squares as if loading something 5. I am not sure about this one but i am unable to use the Answers.com toolbar in Avant. ( may be i have to reinstall it) 6..Add your cons here...... The Pro's 1. Tabbed browsing 2. Based on IE - Works on all the websites where IE works 3. In built Google search tab 4. you don't have to import/export anything everything in IE is automatically there 5. One cick- you can hide/ close all the browsers to the system tray 6. One click all features of tabbed browsing, 7. And yes it is faster than IE 8. capable to Block "In the page " Flash or even image Ads in the page 9. Zoom in zoom out any image in the page 10. mouseover text in the page and a floating option of search etc. 11. Feeds Menu like favorite menu 12. And Ofcourse the Cool Skins.... 13..Add your pros here....... For all the IE users its bliss. Friends, Romans and all the fellow FF users please don't shoot me for using extended IE like browser, we can live side by side :) "Not everything that counts can be counted..." -Albert Einstein -- modified at 18:01 Monday 5th December, 2005
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I know FireFox users hate IE (not the IE users i presume :) ) I tried avant browser after a message by Marc here[^]and i am finding it with loads of extended features which IE users always wanted to have at a single place. I would say its Definitely not for FF users because its too sophisticated and a bit complicated interface,due to enhanced feature list, but for IE users this adds an immense features all IE users always wanted. 1st the "The Con's " 1. Seems to be too cluttered (Firefox or IE Interface is much simpler) 2. Somebody said it crashes (but not till now i have used it for three days) 3. It is 100% based on Internet Explorer, it actually extends the IE using inbuilt BHO. 4. There are two tabs which are really horrible a> Yahoo search tab (may be somebody find it useful but you can hide it) b> Similar website (This one actually is a bit cluttery one you might see you can hide this one too ) might show a set of squares as if loading something 5. I am not sure about this one but i am unable to use the Answers.com toolbar in Avant. ( may be i have to reinstall it) 6..Add your cons here...... The Pro's 1. Tabbed browsing 2. Based on IE - Works on all the websites where IE works 3. In built Google search tab 4. you don't have to import/export anything everything in IE is automatically there 5. One cick- you can hide/ close all the browsers to the system tray 6. One click all features of tabbed browsing, 7. And yes it is faster than IE 8. capable to Block "In the page " Flash or even image Ads in the page 9. Zoom in zoom out any image in the page 10. mouseover text in the page and a floating option of search etc. 11. Feeds Menu like favorite menu 12. And Ofcourse the Cool Skins.... 13..Add your pros here....... For all the IE users its bliss. Friends, Romans and all the fellow FF users please don't shoot me for using extended IE like browser, we can live side by side :) "Not everything that counts can be counted..." -Albert Einstein -- modified at 18:01 Monday 5th December, 2005
Quartz... wrote:
its Definitely not for FF users because its too sophisticated and a bit complicated also due to enhanced feature list
:laugh::laugh: That is rich. That's possibly the most hilarious thing I've heard in quite a while...
Quartz... wrote:
The Pro's
That list sounds exactly like everything Firefox does... :~
Do you have a specific reason for not using Firefox? Do you just dislike the Gecko engine? Are you not a big fan of standards? Maybe you just dislike Open Source Software?
And that's not all. I just discovered this cool concept called "object oriented design". I can't wait to convert my subroutines to class methods! :-D -Ravi Bhavnani on finally installing XP SP2...in December 2005
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Quartz... wrote:
its Definitely not for FF users because its too sophisticated and a bit complicated also due to enhanced feature list
:laugh::laugh: That is rich. That's possibly the most hilarious thing I've heard in quite a while...
Quartz... wrote:
The Pro's
That list sounds exactly like everything Firefox does... :~
Do you have a specific reason for not using Firefox? Do you just dislike the Gecko engine? Are you not a big fan of standards? Maybe you just dislike Open Source Software?
And that's not all. I just discovered this cool concept called "object oriented design". I can't wait to convert my subroutines to class methods! :-D -Ravi Bhavnani on finally installing XP SP2...in December 2005
David Stone wrote:
Do you have a specific reason for not using Firefox?
Only one that , its not consistent with all the websites. or may be all the websites are not consistent with FF. Sometimes a tab disapears, sometimes you can't download things, sometimes the color of the background in a page changes. sometimes... When i surf the web i don't want to be bothered about why the particular link is not showing up or a particular background color became dark. because FF is strict to some standards so some page does not look good in FF, (i heard a lot of time you need plugins to see CP in FF or some new version of FF for grease monkey extension ???? why ) and IE may be more forgiving but is that not what an application should be more forgiving. I am not into the Open source war or may be i am blindly passionate about Microsoft technologies. May be i asked for that there though, but its because simplicity which not there in Avant thats what i meant. which is there in FF as well as IE. And not that i haven't tried FF. i did for a few weeks but, i couldn't get that ease of use , that experience, that i get with IE. so i quit.
David Stone wrote:
Do you just dislike the Gecko engine?
Geico engine i have never heard about that
David Stone wrote:
Are you not a big fan of standards?
i am unable to relate this question with the pros and cons of Avant ? you mean Avant is not standard or IE is not standard ?
David Stone wrote:
Maybe you just dislike Open Source Software?
well i don't dislike open source, why are you against me. I don't think There is a single reason for anybody in the world to dislike opensource "Not everything that counts can be counted..." -Albert Einstein -- modified at 18:15 Monday 5th December, 2005
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Quartz... wrote:
its Definitely not for FF users because its too sophisticated and a bit complicated also due to enhanced feature list
:laugh::laugh: That is rich. That's possibly the most hilarious thing I've heard in quite a while...
Quartz... wrote:
The Pro's
That list sounds exactly like everything Firefox does... :~
Do you have a specific reason for not using Firefox? Do you just dislike the Gecko engine? Are you not a big fan of standards? Maybe you just dislike Open Source Software?
And that's not all. I just discovered this cool concept called "object oriented design". I can't wait to convert my subroutines to class methods! :-D -Ravi Bhavnani on finally installing XP SP2...in December 2005
That list sounds exactly like everything Firefox does...
I like Firefox too, and am using it to type this post, but you're wrong there; that list is not EXACTLY like everything Firefox does. Firefox does not render some sites properly, does not behave properly (MSDN comes to mind, where the code snippets won't expand, or the scrolling doesn't work all the time or at all), or has race conditions that cause pages to sometimes render incorrectly (slashdot.org comes to mind, although they tell me it's been fixed, at least for slashdot, in 1.5). That's one major bane to using Firefox: a lot of sites don't render right or don't function right. Still, the positives outweigh the negatives for me, and I really love FF. I've tried out the IE7 beta (with tabs) and to be honest, it was really poor. If the UI is the same (where they have a main menu on each tab X|), I'll be sticking with FF even after IE7.
Tech, life, family, faith: Give me a visit. I'm currently blogging about: Bought a House! Judah Himango
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I know FireFox users hate IE (not the IE users i presume :) ) I tried avant browser after a message by Marc here[^]and i am finding it with loads of extended features which IE users always wanted to have at a single place. I would say its Definitely not for FF users because its too sophisticated and a bit complicated interface,due to enhanced feature list, but for IE users this adds an immense features all IE users always wanted. 1st the "The Con's " 1. Seems to be too cluttered (Firefox or IE Interface is much simpler) 2. Somebody said it crashes (but not till now i have used it for three days) 3. It is 100% based on Internet Explorer, it actually extends the IE using inbuilt BHO. 4. There are two tabs which are really horrible a> Yahoo search tab (may be somebody find it useful but you can hide it) b> Similar website (This one actually is a bit cluttery one you might see you can hide this one too ) might show a set of squares as if loading something 5. I am not sure about this one but i am unable to use the Answers.com toolbar in Avant. ( may be i have to reinstall it) 6..Add your cons here...... The Pro's 1. Tabbed browsing 2. Based on IE - Works on all the websites where IE works 3. In built Google search tab 4. you don't have to import/export anything everything in IE is automatically there 5. One cick- you can hide/ close all the browsers to the system tray 6. One click all features of tabbed browsing, 7. And yes it is faster than IE 8. capable to Block "In the page " Flash or even image Ads in the page 9. Zoom in zoom out any image in the page 10. mouseover text in the page and a floating option of search etc. 11. Feeds Menu like favorite menu 12. And Ofcourse the Cool Skins.... 13..Add your pros here....... For all the IE users its bliss. Friends, Romans and all the fellow FF users please don't shoot me for using extended IE like browser, we can live side by side :) "Not everything that counts can be counted..." -Albert Einstein -- modified at 18:01 Monday 5th December, 2005
Quartz... wrote:
Friends, Romans and all the fellow FF users please don't shoot me for using extended IE like browser, we can live side by side
:) And they are just web browsers, btw. I have no opinion whatsoever about web browsers - just use ones that come with my OS - IE on Windows, FF on Linux. They both do the job reasonably well and I don't want to spend a single second on researching alternatives in that field.
My programming blahblahblah blog. If you ever find anything useful here, please let me know to remove it.
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Quartz... wrote:
its Definitely not for FF users because its too sophisticated and a bit complicated also due to enhanced feature list
:laugh::laugh: That is rich. That's possibly the most hilarious thing I've heard in quite a while...
Quartz... wrote:
The Pro's
That list sounds exactly like everything Firefox does... :~
Do you have a specific reason for not using Firefox? Do you just dislike the Gecko engine? Are you not a big fan of standards? Maybe you just dislike Open Source Software?
And that's not all. I just discovered this cool concept called "object oriented design". I can't wait to convert my subroutines to class methods! :-D -Ravi Bhavnani on finally installing XP SP2...in December 2005
It just doesn't feel right to me. What annoys:
- There's a number of UI inconsistencies (a particular bugbear of mine)
- It doesn't import cookies properly (it broke some "saved logon" sites)
- It doesn't hande CP's menus or quote selected text feature
What really annoys: This is a quote from the "Report a broken web site" feature
This tool allows you to tell the Evangelism Team about web sites that do not work properly in Firefox
The clear implication here is that if Firefox does not render a site properly, it's the fault of the web site. Seems arrogant to me. What I find funny: (from the install log)
Components corrupted (startup): noney‚|
Destination Path:
Main: C:\Program Files\Mozilla Firefox
SubPath:I got a real giggle from the fact that there's clearly some corruption in the file :doh:
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David Stone wrote:
Do you have a specific reason for not using Firefox?
Only one that , its not consistent with all the websites. or may be all the websites are not consistent with FF. Sometimes a tab disapears, sometimes you can't download things, sometimes the color of the background in a page changes. sometimes... When i surf the web i don't want to be bothered about why the particular link is not showing up or a particular background color became dark. because FF is strict to some standards so some page does not look good in FF, (i heard a lot of time you need plugins to see CP in FF or some new version of FF for grease monkey extension ???? why ) and IE may be more forgiving but is that not what an application should be more forgiving. I am not into the Open source war or may be i am blindly passionate about Microsoft technologies. May be i asked for that there though, but its because simplicity which not there in Avant thats what i meant. which is there in FF as well as IE. And not that i haven't tried FF. i did for a few weeks but, i couldn't get that ease of use , that experience, that i get with IE. so i quit.
David Stone wrote:
Do you just dislike the Gecko engine?
Geico engine i have never heard about that
David Stone wrote:
Are you not a big fan of standards?
i am unable to relate this question with the pros and cons of Avant ? you mean Avant is not standard or IE is not standard ?
David Stone wrote:
Maybe you just dislike Open Source Software?
well i don't dislike open source, why are you against me. I don't think There is a single reason for anybody in the world to dislike opensource "Not everything that counts can be counted..." -Albert Einstein -- modified at 18:15 Monday 5th December, 2005
Oh, I'm not against you. :)
I was just wondering what your problem was with Firefox. Maybe I came across a bit harsh, not my intention. Sorry about that. :)
Quartz... wrote:
Geico engine i have never heard about that
The Gecko rendering engine is the rendering engine that Firefox uses. It's what parses out the HTML and decides how to display it. It's more standards compliant with things like CSS2, SVG, MathML, etc. And it doesn't have near the problems with form elements over divs that IE does (something that has plagued web devs for years with IE).
Quartz... wrote:
i heard a lot of time you need plugins to see CP in FF or some new version of FF for grease monkey extension ???? why
Eh...that's not really true. I'm viewing CP from Firefox. I don't need to have any plugins, it displays just fine. There's this thing called GreaseMonkey[^] which is an extension that lets you inject JavaScript into the local version of a webpage. It's pretty cool. It lets you do all sorts of fun stuff that the website might not offer. For instance, here on CodeProject, Shog9's CPhog script gives you the ability to reply to a post without having to load up the reply page. I'm using it right now. You just click a Quick Reply link and down pops this little reply form under the post that you're replying to. That way, you never have to leave the forum page. :)
You should try it out. First get Firefox[^]. Then install GreaseMonkey[^]. Then visit Shog's CPhog[^] page and install the user script. When you come back here to CodeProject, you'll see this little Bob in a cap and jacket down in the right hand side of the page. Open up a forum post and right next to the reply link there'll be a quick reply link. Click that. Enter a reply and hit post. It's very :cool:.
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That list sounds exactly like everything Firefox does...
I like Firefox too, and am using it to type this post, but you're wrong there; that list is not EXACTLY like everything Firefox does. Firefox does not render some sites properly, does not behave properly (MSDN comes to mind, where the code snippets won't expand, or the scrolling doesn't work all the time or at all), or has race conditions that cause pages to sometimes render incorrectly (slashdot.org comes to mind, although they tell me it's been fixed, at least for slashdot, in 1.5). That's one major bane to using Firefox: a lot of sites don't render right or don't function right. Still, the positives outweigh the negatives for me, and I really love FF. I've tried out the IE7 beta (with tabs) and to be honest, it was really poor. If the UI is the same (where they have a main menu on each tab X|), I'll be sticking with FF even after IE7.
Tech, life, family, faith: Give me a visit. I'm currently blogging about: Bought a House! Judah Himango
Judah Himango wrote:
a lot of sites don't render right or don't function right
I've been using FF for a very long time. Since before it was called Firefox. (Or even Firebird). And I have to say, there are a few pages that don't work right. However, most of the pages I visit work perfectly in Firefox, especially since 1.0 was released and web devs have stepped up to the plate to make their sites work in it.
And that's not all. I just discovered this cool concept called "object oriented design". I can't wait to convert my subroutines to class methods! :-D -Ravi Bhavnani on finally installing XP SP2...in December 2005
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I know FireFox users hate IE (not the IE users i presume :) ) I tried avant browser after a message by Marc here[^]and i am finding it with loads of extended features which IE users always wanted to have at a single place. I would say its Definitely not for FF users because its too sophisticated and a bit complicated interface,due to enhanced feature list, but for IE users this adds an immense features all IE users always wanted. 1st the "The Con's " 1. Seems to be too cluttered (Firefox or IE Interface is much simpler) 2. Somebody said it crashes (but not till now i have used it for three days) 3. It is 100% based on Internet Explorer, it actually extends the IE using inbuilt BHO. 4. There are two tabs which are really horrible a> Yahoo search tab (may be somebody find it useful but you can hide it) b> Similar website (This one actually is a bit cluttery one you might see you can hide this one too ) might show a set of squares as if loading something 5. I am not sure about this one but i am unable to use the Answers.com toolbar in Avant. ( may be i have to reinstall it) 6..Add your cons here...... The Pro's 1. Tabbed browsing 2. Based on IE - Works on all the websites where IE works 3. In built Google search tab 4. you don't have to import/export anything everything in IE is automatically there 5. One cick- you can hide/ close all the browsers to the system tray 6. One click all features of tabbed browsing, 7. And yes it is faster than IE 8. capable to Block "In the page " Flash or even image Ads in the page 9. Zoom in zoom out any image in the page 10. mouseover text in the page and a floating option of search etc. 11. Feeds Menu like favorite menu 12. And Ofcourse the Cool Skins.... 13..Add your pros here....... For all the IE users its bliss. Friends, Romans and all the fellow FF users please don't shoot me for using extended IE like browser, we can live side by side :) "Not everything that counts can be counted..." -Albert Einstein -- modified at 18:01 Monday 5th December, 2005
I've used Avant exclusively and been extremely happy. I've developed some habits to make it easier. First off I ditch Yahoo search it sucks. In the Avant browser miscellaneous options you can enable the Google Toolbar and that's perfect for me. I change the default search to Google and I close the Yahoo toolbar all together. The other thing I do is go into the Feeds->Organize Feeds and I delete all the RSS crap it preloads into their. I don't need it as an RSS reader so I don't use it for that. The one thing Avant has that way kicks butt over any other tabbed browser is SAVE ALL OPENED PAGES & EXIT I use my browser as a tool and I like it to save stuff I was referring to when I have to restart. It's an awesome tool. If you have more questions about it let me know. It beats the pants off firefox and that's about all there is too it. I have firefox and I use it the biggest thing for me is it won't save my opened pages for me. That's just lame. So I'm all about Avant and very happy with it. Crashing??? Upgrade. I've not had an avant browser crash in geeeeez, a long time and I abuse the crap out of it. I'll open 12 tabs and use a gig of memory then close them all at once. It's been stable for me. But I'm a damned genius!:laugh: - Rex
Some assembly required. Code-frog System Architects, Inc.
-- modified at 18:34 Monday 5th December, 2005
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Quartz... wrote:
its Definitely not for FF users because its too sophisticated and a bit complicated also due to enhanced feature list
:laugh::laugh: That is rich. That's possibly the most hilarious thing I've heard in quite a while...
Quartz... wrote:
The Pro's
That list sounds exactly like everything Firefox does... :~
Do you have a specific reason for not using Firefox? Do you just dislike the Gecko engine? Are you not a big fan of standards? Maybe you just dislike Open Source Software?
And that's not all. I just discovered this cool concept called "object oriented design". I can't wait to convert my subroutines to class methods! :-D -Ravi Bhavnani on finally installing XP SP2...in December 2005
Nothing wrong to give it a try ! and see for yourself I am not marketing Avant Browser here, i tried and liked it and i have tried FF too. Though i don't know yet whether its an open source or not ( not that it matters) but still its free and is developed by a programmer like us ( and he had put some great efforts). i would definetly say its better than IE or enhanced IE... "Not everything that counts can be counted..." -Albert Einstein
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Nothing wrong to give it a try ! and see for yourself I am not marketing Avant Browser here, i tried and liked it and i have tried FF too. Though i don't know yet whether its an open source or not ( not that it matters) but still its free and is developed by a programmer like us ( and he had put some great efforts). i would definetly say its better than IE or enhanced IE... "Not everything that counts can be counted..." -Albert Einstein
Quartz... wrote:
Nothing wrong to give it a try !
I have. :) I didn't like it. Too cluttered. Plus, it's still based on IE, which I despise.
Quartz... wrote:
i would definetly say its better than IE or enhanced IE...
Oh definitely! It's a hundred times better than IE. IE hasn't been updated in any major way for a very long time. The shells like Avant Browser or Maxthon give you so many more features that IE should have. But, just like the browser UI hasn't been updated, neither has the rendering engine that parses the websites and displays them. This is the part that is in most need of repair...and the IE team knows that. It'll be nice to see some more support for standards like CSS 2 go into IE7.
One of the huge reasons I love Firefox is the fact that the development of it moves much faster than IE does. There's also the incredible Extension platform that Firefox has for things like GreaseMonkey or mouse gestures (those are like crack...so addicting).
And that's not all. I just discovered this cool concept called "object oriented design". I can't wait to convert my subroutines to class methods! :-D -Ravi Bhavnani on finally installing XP SP2...in December 2005
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I've used Avant exclusively and been extremely happy. I've developed some habits to make it easier. First off I ditch Yahoo search it sucks. In the Avant browser miscellaneous options you can enable the Google Toolbar and that's perfect for me. I change the default search to Google and I close the Yahoo toolbar all together. The other thing I do is go into the Feeds->Organize Feeds and I delete all the RSS crap it preloads into their. I don't need it as an RSS reader so I don't use it for that. The one thing Avant has that way kicks butt over any other tabbed browser is SAVE ALL OPENED PAGES & EXIT I use my browser as a tool and I like it to save stuff I was referring to when I have to restart. It's an awesome tool. If you have more questions about it let me know. It beats the pants off firefox and that's about all there is too it. I have firefox and I use it the biggest thing for me is it won't save my opened pages for me. That's just lame. So I'm all about Avant and very happy with it. Crashing??? Upgrade. I've not had an avant browser crash in geeeeez, a long time and I abuse the crap out of it. I'll open 12 tabs and use a gig of memory then close them all at once. It's been stable for me. But I'm a damned genius!:laugh: - Rex
Some assembly required. Code-frog System Architects, Inc.
-- modified at 18:34 Monday 5th December, 2005
code-frog wrote:
The one thing Avant has the way kicks but over any other tabbed browser is SAVE ALL OPENED PAGES & EXIT
SessionSaver[^] :)
code-frog wrote:
I'll open 12 tabs and use a gig of memory
:omg: Holy crap. That's another thing I don't particularly like about Avant...it seemed to me to use up a crapload more memory than it should have. But that was a while ago.
And that's not all. I just discovered this cool concept called "object oriented design". I can't wait to convert my subroutines to class methods! :-D -Ravi Bhavnani on finally installing XP SP2...in December 2005
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I've used Avant exclusively and been extremely happy. I've developed some habits to make it easier. First off I ditch Yahoo search it sucks. In the Avant browser miscellaneous options you can enable the Google Toolbar and that's perfect for me. I change the default search to Google and I close the Yahoo toolbar all together. The other thing I do is go into the Feeds->Organize Feeds and I delete all the RSS crap it preloads into their. I don't need it as an RSS reader so I don't use it for that. The one thing Avant has that way kicks butt over any other tabbed browser is SAVE ALL OPENED PAGES & EXIT I use my browser as a tool and I like it to save stuff I was referring to when I have to restart. It's an awesome tool. If you have more questions about it let me know. It beats the pants off firefox and that's about all there is too it. I have firefox and I use it the biggest thing for me is it won't save my opened pages for me. That's just lame. So I'm all about Avant and very happy with it. Crashing??? Upgrade. I've not had an avant browser crash in geeeeez, a long time and I abuse the crap out of it. I'll open 12 tabs and use a gig of memory then close them all at once. It's been stable for me. But I'm a damned genius!:laugh: - Rex
Some assembly required. Code-frog System Architects, Inc.
-- modified at 18:34 Monday 5th December, 2005
That's another great thing i discovered i am just finding new features every day in Avant and i am loving it. you can imagine my happiness when i even went to the paypal to donate to the developer (than thought i have never did this before :laugh: for any otehr application ) i mean that Mr. Anderson must be a genius to make something so close to what a developer wants, that out of utter enjoyment you even want to donate. and Hiding all to the system tray in One click is also my favorite, IE is horrible in that. Yahoo search and the Similar websites that's are the firs to ditch then after customizing all the buttons, links, menus, removing what all are unnecessary gives you a simple interface at the end "Not everything that counts can be counted..." -Albert Einstein
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code-frog wrote:
The one thing Avant has the way kicks but over any other tabbed browser is SAVE ALL OPENED PAGES & EXIT
SessionSaver[^] :)
code-frog wrote:
I'll open 12 tabs and use a gig of memory
:omg: Holy crap. That's another thing I don't particularly like about Avant...it seemed to me to use up a crapload more memory than it should have. But that was a while ago.
And that's not all. I just discovered this cool concept called "object oriented design". I can't wait to convert my subroutines to class methods! :-D -Ravi Bhavnani on finally installing XP SP2...in December 2005
I figured FF would come out with a script for that sooner or later. FF uses a hell of a lot more memory than that. I've caught FF using 2 gigs+ on multiple occassions. I open FF when I need to and close it when I'm done. - Rex
Some assembly required. Code-frog System Architects, Inc.
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Quartz... wrote:
Nothing wrong to give it a try !
I have. :) I didn't like it. Too cluttered. Plus, it's still based on IE, which I despise.
Quartz... wrote:
i would definetly say its better than IE or enhanced IE...
Oh definitely! It's a hundred times better than IE. IE hasn't been updated in any major way for a very long time. The shells like Avant Browser or Maxthon give you so many more features that IE should have. But, just like the browser UI hasn't been updated, neither has the rendering engine that parses the websites and displays them. This is the part that is in most need of repair...and the IE team knows that. It'll be nice to see some more support for standards like CSS 2 go into IE7.
One of the huge reasons I love Firefox is the fact that the development of it moves much faster than IE does. There's also the incredible Extension platform that Firefox has for things like GreaseMonkey or mouse gestures (those are like crack...so addicting).
And that's not all. I just discovered this cool concept called "object oriented design". I can't wait to convert my subroutines to class methods! :-D -Ravi Bhavnani on finally installing XP SP2...in December 2005
David Stone wrote:
Plus, it's still based on IE, which I despise
Do you have a specific reason for not using IE? Do you just dislike the MSHTML engine? Are you a slave to to standards*? Maybe you just dislike Closed Source Software? Do these questions seem familiar? * And before you start on too much about standards support, let's not forget that a lot of the advances in web browsing are because the standards were not adhered to, not in spite of it (tables and Netscape being an obvious example)
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That's another great thing i discovered i am just finding new features every day in Avant and i am loving it. you can imagine my happiness when i even went to the paypal to donate to the developer (than thought i have never did this before :laugh: for any otehr application ) i mean that Mr. Anderson must be a genius to make something so close to what a developer wants, that out of utter enjoyment you even want to donate. and Hiding all to the system tray in One click is also my favorite, IE is horrible in that. Yahoo search and the Similar websites that's are the firs to ditch then after customizing all the buttons, links, menus, removing what all are unnecessary gives you a simple interface at the end "Not everything that counts can be counted..." -Albert Einstein
It's a nice development tool. I have to agree with you there. I really enjoy it.
Some assembly required. Code-frog System Architects, Inc.
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I've used Avant exclusively and been extremely happy. I've developed some habits to make it easier. First off I ditch Yahoo search it sucks. In the Avant browser miscellaneous options you can enable the Google Toolbar and that's perfect for me. I change the default search to Google and I close the Yahoo toolbar all together. The other thing I do is go into the Feeds->Organize Feeds and I delete all the RSS crap it preloads into their. I don't need it as an RSS reader so I don't use it for that. The one thing Avant has that way kicks butt over any other tabbed browser is SAVE ALL OPENED PAGES & EXIT I use my browser as a tool and I like it to save stuff I was referring to when I have to restart. It's an awesome tool. If you have more questions about it let me know. It beats the pants off firefox and that's about all there is too it. I have firefox and I use it the biggest thing for me is it won't save my opened pages for me. That's just lame. So I'm all about Avant and very happy with it. Crashing??? Upgrade. I've not had an avant browser crash in geeeeez, a long time and I abuse the crap out of it. I'll open 12 tabs and use a gig of memory then close them all at once. It's been stable for me. But I'm a damned genius!:laugh: - Rex
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-- modified at 18:34 Monday 5th December, 2005
code-frog wrote:
The one thing Avant has that way kicks butt over any other tabbed browser is SAVE ALL OPENED PAGES & EXIT
I have that turned on automatically. I only have 1 row of toolbars. And I make X minimise rather than close, alot faster (but sometimes have silly caching issues). :) If you leave it open for a while, it tends to eat up memory. xacc.ide-0.1 released! Download and screenshots
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It just doesn't feel right to me. What annoys:
- There's a number of UI inconsistencies (a particular bugbear of mine)
- It doesn't import cookies properly (it broke some "saved logon" sites)
- It doesn't hande CP's menus or quote selected text feature
What really annoys: This is a quote from the "Report a broken web site" feature
This tool allows you to tell the Evangelism Team about web sites that do not work properly in Firefox
The clear implication here is that if Firefox does not render a site properly, it's the fault of the web site. Seems arrogant to me. What I find funny: (from the install log)
Components corrupted (startup): noney‚|
Destination Path:
Main: C:\Program Files\Mozilla Firefox
SubPath:I got a real giggle from the fact that there's clearly some corruption in the file :doh:
Graham Bradshaw wrote:
There's a number of UI inconsistencies (a particular bugbear of mine)
I haven't noticed them. Would you mind pointing them out?
Graham Bradshaw wrote:
It doesn't import cookies properly (it broke some "saved logon" sites)
Also something I haven't noticed. Works fine for me every time.
Graham Bradshaw wrote:
It doesn't hande CP's menus or quote selected text feature
The menu issue was weird. And the QST feature does look like a regression between 1.0.x and 1.5. However, Shog and I both sent Chris a workaround, so it should be fixed pretty soon here.
Graham Bradshaw wrote:
The clear implication here is that if Firefox does not render a site properly, it's the fault of the web site.
Actually, it usually is. Most websites that don't work in Firefox blindly code for things like document.all support (which the W3C does not specify in the HTML specs, but the IE devs "helpfully" added) or have non-standard Javascript that relies on DOM features that aren't guaranteed to be there. The DOM that IE exposes is different in enough ways than the DOM for Firefox that if you only code for IE, you've pretty much screwed over the Firefox users of your site. And the Reporter is there so that the Mozilla Foundation can work with companies whose websites don't work in Firefox and help the get the website "fixed" so it works in Firefox too. I don't think that's arrogance...any more so than web developers who blindly assume all their users will be IE users.
And that's not all. I just discovered this cool concept called "object oriented design". I can't wait to convert my subroutines to class methods! :-D -Ravi Bhavnani on finally installing XP SP2...in December 2005
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I've used Avant exclusively and been extremely happy. I've developed some habits to make it easier. First off I ditch Yahoo search it sucks. In the Avant browser miscellaneous options you can enable the Google Toolbar and that's perfect for me. I change the default search to Google and I close the Yahoo toolbar all together. The other thing I do is go into the Feeds->Organize Feeds and I delete all the RSS crap it preloads into their. I don't need it as an RSS reader so I don't use it for that. The one thing Avant has that way kicks butt over any other tabbed browser is SAVE ALL OPENED PAGES & EXIT I use my browser as a tool and I like it to save stuff I was referring to when I have to restart. It's an awesome tool. If you have more questions about it let me know. It beats the pants off firefox and that's about all there is too it. I have firefox and I use it the biggest thing for me is it won't save my opened pages for me. That's just lame. So I'm all about Avant and very happy with it. Crashing??? Upgrade. I've not had an avant browser crash in geeeeez, a long time and I abuse the crap out of it. I'll open 12 tabs and use a gig of memory then close them all at once. It's been stable for me. But I'm a damned genius!:laugh: - Rex
Some assembly required. Code-frog System Architects, Inc.
-- modified at 18:34 Monday 5th December, 2005
code-frog wrote: The one thing Avant has the way kicks but over any other tabbed browser is SAVE ALL OPENED PAGES & EXIT If you want that feature in FireFox: you can install this. It adds that feature and more. The developer of the extensions mentions that it is unstable, but I haven't had any problems and I'll routinely have over 50 tabs open without issue. http://piro.sakura.ne.jp/xul/tabextensions/index.html.en[^]
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Quartz... wrote:
Nothing wrong to give it a try !
I have. :) I didn't like it. Too cluttered. Plus, it's still based on IE, which I despise.
Quartz... wrote:
i would definetly say its better than IE or enhanced IE...
Oh definitely! It's a hundred times better than IE. IE hasn't been updated in any major way for a very long time. The shells like Avant Browser or Maxthon give you so many more features that IE should have. But, just like the browser UI hasn't been updated, neither has the rendering engine that parses the websites and displays them. This is the part that is in most need of repair...and the IE team knows that. It'll be nice to see some more support for standards like CSS 2 go into IE7.
One of the huge reasons I love Firefox is the fact that the development of it moves much faster than IE does. There's also the incredible Extension platform that Firefox has for things like GreaseMonkey or mouse gestures (those are like crack...so addicting).
And that's not all. I just discovered this cool concept called "object oriented design". I can't wait to convert my subroutines to class methods! :-D -Ravi Bhavnani on finally installing XP SP2...in December 2005