Here it comes!
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Michel Prévost wrote:
I'm speechless...
Good, now, when you have an open mind, and can get a grip on your own green bias against the US, maybe a open debate will be enjoyable between both parties.
Look who's talking.... -------- "I say no to drugs, but they don't listen." - Marilyn Manson
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Statistically speaking, US is the most polluting country in the world, producing 25% of the pollution alone, and it is not even the most populated. http://www.guardian.co.uk/climatechange/story/0,12374,1644199,00.html[^] http://www.hindu.com/2005/11/18/stories/2005111803861100.htm[^] Just 2 links. Big cities in Asia are among the most polluted in the world, but they don't contribute to global warming as much as the USA. Think about it: 5% of the population producing 25% of the greenhouse effect gas in the world. That is a lot. -------- "I say no to drugs, but they don't listen." - Marilyn Manson
Wasn't the Kyoto Treaty giving the Asian countries a pass though due to being "developing nations"? BW
If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
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Look who's talking.... -------- "I say no to drugs, but they don't listen." - Marilyn Manson
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Wasn't the Kyoto Treaty giving the Asian countries a pass though due to being "developing nations"? BW
If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
-- Steven Wright -
Wasn't the Kyoto Treaty giving the Asian countries a pass though due to being "developing nations"? BW
If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
-- Steven WrightI think so. It seems to be why the US bailed out. But, frankly, I doubt it. This is just my opinion. You can flame me. Everybody has a right to his opinion. -------- "I say no to drugs, but they don't listen." - Marilyn Manson
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Michel Prévost wrote:
Look who's talking....
:wtf::wtf: um..where did I say a bias statement? You were better off speachless.
You told me that I was not open minded, and you replied by saying I was biased. Could you explain? If not, stop replying and go away. -------- "I say no to drugs, but they don't listen." - Marilyn Manson
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No, I was pointing out how your statement do not hold much weight because of your bias. You give yourself too much credit. I'm in the very rich country of the US making a lot of money, you have to do a lot more than that to get me upset.
kgaddy wrote:
I'm in the very rich country of the US making a lot of money
Exactly why everyone wants to move over there :-) Right now, most Indian teenagers studying Computer Science want to move to the US. Cause of all the wealth out there :-)
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You told me that I was not open minded, and you replied by saying I was biased. Could you explain? If not, stop replying and go away. -------- "I say no to drugs, but they don't listen." - Marilyn Manson
Michel Prévost wrote:
You told me that I was not open minded, and you replied by saying I was biased. Could you explain?
I'd be happy to. your quote:"Partly agree. It may be that the US used that excuse only to appear to have a good reason not to sign the agreement." Ok, when the US said that the Kyoto agreement was unfair to US workers, you blew it off as it was just an excuse. "It may be that the US used that excuse only to appear to have a good reason not to sign the agreement." Why would the US not sign it without a good reason??? Does the US just want to piss you off just because? A person can only have slanted reasoning if they are biased or completly insane. I guessing that you are sane, so you must be biased.
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Partly agree. It may be that the US used that excuse only to appear to have a good reason not to sign the agreement. -------- "I say no to drugs, but they don't listen." - Marilyn Manson
Michel Prévost wrote:
Partly agree. It may be that the US used that excuse only to appear to have a good reason not to sign the agreement.
there is no real way of knowing why the US didn't sign on because to do so requires the approval of a majority of the US Senate and neither Clinton nor Bush were willing to submit it for approval because they both felt, but didn't know it wouldn't be ratified. Mike "We ain't stuck on stupid." badass Lt. General Russel Honore **"Remember - live bunnies are a great source of nourishment"**silly-assed cartoon A vegan is someone who never heard a carrot cry! Merry Christmas and Happy New Year
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I think so. It seems to be why the US bailed out. But, frankly, I doubt it. This is just my opinion. You can flame me. Everybody has a right to his opinion. -------- "I say no to drugs, but they don't listen." - Marilyn Manson
Michel Prévost wrote:
I think so. It seems to be why the US bailed out. But, frankly, I doubt it. This is just my opinion. You can flame me. Everybody has a right to his opinion.
Ok, I am not going to flame you. I am asking most sincerly. What evidence do you have to doubt this? Is it just a gut feeling? And yes, you do have a right to your opinion. But others also have a right to challege it.
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Michel Prévost wrote:
You told me that I was not open minded, and you replied by saying I was biased. Could you explain?
I'd be happy to. your quote:"Partly agree. It may be that the US used that excuse only to appear to have a good reason not to sign the agreement." Ok, when the US said that the Kyoto agreement was unfair to US workers, you blew it off as it was just an excuse. "It may be that the US used that excuse only to appear to have a good reason not to sign the agreement." Why would the US not sign it without a good reason??? Does the US just want to piss you off just because? A person can only have slanted reasoning if they are biased or completly insane. I guessing that you are sane, so you must be biased.
In fact, this was my opinion, and an opinion is always biased. ISn't it? I challenge you (a friendly challenge) to show me actions (concrete actions) the US is taking to fight the pollution. Could you? -------- "I say no to drugs, but they don't listen." - Marilyn Manson
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Michel Prévost wrote:
I think so. It seems to be why the US bailed out. But, frankly, I doubt it. This is just my opinion. You can flame me. Everybody has a right to his opinion.
Ok, I am not going to flame you. I am asking most sincerly. What evidence do you have to doubt this? Is it just a gut feeling? And yes, you do have a right to your opinion. But others also have a right to challege it.
kgaddy wrote:
But others also have a right to challege it.
Totally agreed. -------- "I say no to drugs, but they don't listen." - Marilyn Manson
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Michel Prévost wrote:
Partly agree. It may be that the US used that excuse only to appear to have a good reason not to sign the agreement.
there is no real way of knowing why the US didn't sign on because to do so requires the approval of a majority of the US Senate and neither Clinton nor Bush were willing to submit it for approval because they both felt, but didn't know it wouldn't be ratified. Mike "We ain't stuck on stupid." badass Lt. General Russel Honore **"Remember - live bunnies are a great source of nourishment"**silly-assed cartoon A vegan is someone who never heard a carrot cry! Merry Christmas and Happy New Year
There is probably a whole bunch of reasons why the US does not want to sign the Treaty,but the current administration is not known to be willing to make an effort to fight pollution, in fact, Bush has been denying global warming (he may have changed his mind since then, though). -------- "I say no to drugs, but they don't listen." - Marilyn Manson
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Michel Prévost wrote:
I think so. It seems to be why the US bailed out. But, frankly, I doubt it. This is just my opinion. You can flame me. Everybody has a right to his opinion.
Ok, I am not going to flame you. I am asking most sincerly. What evidence do you have to doubt this? Is it just a gut feeling? And yes, you do have a right to your opinion. But others also have a right to challege it.
kgaddy wrote:
What evidence do you have to doubt this?
Bush once denied any evidence of global warming, for one. That is a fact, the rest is an invention of my sick mind :~ -------- "I say no to drugs, but they don't listen." - Marilyn Manson
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In fact, this was my opinion, and an opinion is always biased. ISn't it? I challenge you (a friendly challenge) to show me actions (concrete actions) the US is taking to fight the pollution. Could you? -------- "I say no to drugs, but they don't listen." - Marilyn Manson
Michel Prévost wrote:
In fact, this was my opinion, and an opinion is always biased. ISn't it?
Yes, but an opinion should be based on as mush fact as possible. At least that is what I think. I saves me from being embarassed. And yes, I have been wrong many times, and I try very hard to step up and admit it.
Michel Prévost wrote:
I challenge you (a friendly challenge) to show me actions (concrete actions) the US is taking to fight the pollution. Could you?
Yes, I accept. But you have to be open minded, and if, god forbid, I give some concrete evidence, will you be open minded enough to consider it? I have to get a few things done at work but I promise to give some examples in a couple hours.
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kgaddy wrote:
I'm in the very rich country of the US making a lot of money
Exactly why everyone wants to move over there :-) Right now, most Indian teenagers studying Computer Science want to move to the US. Cause of all the wealth out there :-)
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There is probably a whole bunch of reasons why the US does not want to sign the Treaty,but the current administration is not known to be willing to make an effort to fight pollution, in fact, Bush has been denying global warming (he may have changed his mind since then, though). -------- "I say no to drugs, but they don't listen." - Marilyn Manson
Michel Prévost wrote:
There is probably a whole bunch of reasons why the US does not want to sign the Treaty,but the current administration is not known to be willing to make an effort to fight pollution, in fact, Bush has been denying global warming (he may have changed his mind since then, though).
Just my opinion, but I'm not convinced it all man's doing. The climate has changed without the help of man in the past on a frequent basis. I think the jury is still out on this one. BTW, here is St. Louis, its cold as hell. I wish there was a little global warming over here.
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Michel Prévost wrote:
In fact, this was my opinion, and an opinion is always biased. ISn't it?
Yes, but an opinion should be based on as mush fact as possible. At least that is what I think. I saves me from being embarassed. And yes, I have been wrong many times, and I try very hard to step up and admit it.
Michel Prévost wrote:
I challenge you (a friendly challenge) to show me actions (concrete actions) the US is taking to fight the pollution. Could you?
Yes, I accept. But you have to be open minded, and if, god forbid, I give some concrete evidence, will you be open minded enough to consider it? I have to get a few things done at work but I promise to give some examples in a couple hours.
Ok, agreed. -------- "I say no to drugs, but they don't listen." - Marilyn Manson
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kgaddy wrote:
What evidence do you have to doubt this?
Bush once denied any evidence of global warming, for one. That is a fact, the rest is an invention of my sick mind :~ -------- "I say no to drugs, but they don't listen." - Marilyn Manson
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There is probably a whole bunch of reasons why the US does not want to sign the Treaty,but the current administration is not known to be willing to make an effort to fight pollution, in fact, Bush has been denying global warming (he may have changed his mind since then, though). -------- "I say no to drugs, but they don't listen." - Marilyn Manson
Michel Prévost wrote:
the current administration
Both the current and previous administrations have avoided submitting the treaty. It does, as others have suggested, give China and India plus maybe others a pass. That puts the US at a significant economic disadvantage, political sucicide for whoever attempts to get it signed. That (my belief) is why Clinton just dropped it and didn't push, ditto Bush. Mike "We ain't stuck on stupid." badass Lt. General Russel Honore **"Remember - live bunnies are a great source of nourishment"**silly-assed cartoon A vegan is someone who never heard a carrot cry! Merry Christmas and Happy New Year