Here it comes!
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I am fucking sick of that fucking economy argument. YOu will be able to stick this fucking economy up your ass when there is no more resource, for that matter no more viable air to breathe. -------- "I say no to drugs, but they don't listen." - Marilyn Manson
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lol I love your reply :-D -------- "I say no to drugs, but they don't listen." - Marilyn Manson
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I have seen that the average Canadian consumes more energy than the average American, I agree. The problem is not there. It is that the americans seem not to want to walk with the rest of the world towards a common solution. And China and India are becoming economic powers themselves. Can you imagine what this will do? All they seem to want is imitate the american lifestyle. If things continue that way, we won't make it to the 22nd century. -------- "I say no to drugs, but they don't listen." - Marilyn Manson
Michel Prévost wrote:
It is that the americans seem not to want to walk with the rest of the world towards a common solution.
Well right now the Americans have done more than Canadians towards an "effective" solution. Why won't Canada and the rest of the world adopt the American method and get something done instead of venting more hot air at conferences like the current one in Montreal? Global consensus isn't always a good thing if nothing ever gets done.
Michel Prévost wrote:
All they seem to want is imitate the american lifestyle.
Considering the Canadian lifestyle isn't much different isn't that a case of trying to deny to others what you already have yourself? Are you willing to sacrifice 1/3 of the Canadian economy to reduce our GHG emissions? 1/3 of your consumption?
Michel Prévost wrote:
If things continue that way, we won't make it to the 22nd century.
Of course people said that about New York at the turn of the 19th century but strangely enough the streets never did fill up with horse manure from all those horses required for all those people. :rolleyes: "The world is a dangerous place to live, not because of the people who are evil, but because of the people who don't do anything about it." Albert Einstein Dave
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Michel Prévost wrote:
It seems that you are not familiar with sarcasm
I decided it wasn't sarcasm, but I guess I decided wrong. :) Marc VS2005 Tips & Tricks -- contributions welcome!
I think we need a specific color for sarcasm. Maybe a button like the 'Quote Selected Text' only 'Sarcasm Selected Text' and have it turn purple or Bob green or something. (Not that Bob is ever sarcastic or anything... Actually he's a fairly quiet guy) :laugh: "The world is a dangerous place to live, not because of the people who are evil, but because of the people who don't do anything about it." Albert Einstein Dave
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Michel Prévost wrote:
It is that the americans seem not to want to walk with the rest of the world towards a common solution.
Well right now the Americans have done more than Canadians towards an "effective" solution. Why won't Canada and the rest of the world adopt the American method and get something done instead of venting more hot air at conferences like the current one in Montreal? Global consensus isn't always a good thing if nothing ever gets done.
Michel Prévost wrote:
All they seem to want is imitate the american lifestyle.
Considering the Canadian lifestyle isn't much different isn't that a case of trying to deny to others what you already have yourself? Are you willing to sacrifice 1/3 of the Canadian economy to reduce our GHG emissions? 1/3 of your consumption?
Michel Prévost wrote:
If things continue that way, we won't make it to the 22nd century.
Of course people said that about New York at the turn of the 19th century but strangely enough the streets never did fill up with horse manure from all those horses required for all those people. :rolleyes: "The world is a dangerous place to live, not because of the people who are evil, but because of the people who don't do anything about it." Albert Einstein Dave
DRHuff wrote:
Well right now the Americans have done more than Canadians towards an "effective" solution. Why won't Canada and the rest of the world adopt the American method and get something done instead of venting more hot air at conferences like the current one in Montreal? Global consensus isn't always a good thing if nothing ever gets done.
We absolutely have to do our share. But what is the american method? Tell me, I am willing to listen.
DRHuff wrote:
Considering the Canadian lifestyle isn't much different isn't that a case of trying to deny to others what you already have yourself? Are you willing to sacrifice 1/3 of the Canadian economy to reduce our GHG emissions? 1/3 of your consumption?
You are right, we have a lifestyle very similar to America's and that is normal. You are about 10 times our population, and we are geographically very close, so your culture is overwhelming. I live in Canada, but work in the US. I fly every monday morning, and fly back to Canada (Quebec) every thursday or friday. Believe me, I am in a better position than to compare both countries. It is not that I am willing or not to give up 1/3 of my economy, it is a matter that we won't have the choice someday. We are hiding behind that sacro-saint economy to justify our inertia. The office where I work in the US, nobody has a mug. They all use styrofoam cups. In the offices of the company I work for in Quebec, you cannot find a trace of a styrofoam cup. Everybody has a mug. Also, big SUV like the ones I see here in the US (i say here because i am currently in the US) are very rarely seen in Quebec. Yes, we may have America's lifestyle, but to a much lesser extent. Don't judge the lifestyle of canadian on border cities, they are not representative of the rest.
DRHuff wrote:
Of course people said that about New York at the turn of the 19th century but strangely enough the streets never did fill up with horse manure from all those horses required for all those people.
Because they found an alternative. We must follow their example. -------- "I say no to drugs, but they don't listen." - Marilyn Manson
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I think we need a specific color for sarcasm. Maybe a button like the 'Quote Selected Text' only 'Sarcasm Selected Text' and have it turn purple or Bob green or something. (Not that Bob is ever sarcastic or anything... Actually he's a fairly quiet guy) :laugh: "The world is a dangerous place to live, not because of the people who are evil, but because of the people who don't do anything about it." Albert Einstein Dave
Agreed. :) -------- "I say no to drugs, but they don't listen." - Marilyn Manson
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DRHuff wrote:
Well right now the Americans have done more than Canadians towards an "effective" solution. Why won't Canada and the rest of the world adopt the American method and get something done instead of venting more hot air at conferences like the current one in Montreal? Global consensus isn't always a good thing if nothing ever gets done.
We absolutely have to do our share. But what is the american method? Tell me, I am willing to listen.
DRHuff wrote:
Considering the Canadian lifestyle isn't much different isn't that a case of trying to deny to others what you already have yourself? Are you willing to sacrifice 1/3 of the Canadian economy to reduce our GHG emissions? 1/3 of your consumption?
You are right, we have a lifestyle very similar to America's and that is normal. You are about 10 times our population, and we are geographically very close, so your culture is overwhelming. I live in Canada, but work in the US. I fly every monday morning, and fly back to Canada (Quebec) every thursday or friday. Believe me, I am in a better position than to compare both countries. It is not that I am willing or not to give up 1/3 of my economy, it is a matter that we won't have the choice someday. We are hiding behind that sacro-saint economy to justify our inertia. The office where I work in the US, nobody has a mug. They all use styrofoam cups. In the offices of the company I work for in Quebec, you cannot find a trace of a styrofoam cup. Everybody has a mug. Also, big SUV like the ones I see here in the US (i say here because i am currently in the US) are very rarely seen in Quebec. Yes, we may have America's lifestyle, but to a much lesser extent. Don't judge the lifestyle of canadian on border cities, they are not representative of the rest.
DRHuff wrote:
Of course people said that about New York at the turn of the 19th century but strangely enough the streets never did fill up with horse manure from all those horses required for all those people.
Because they found an alternative. We must follow their example. -------- "I say no to drugs, but they don't listen." - Marilyn Manson
Michel Prévost wrote:
Because they found an alternative. We must follow their example.
We will find an alternative. Replacing the utility of gasoline is incredibly difficult and it will take technologies yet undreamt of to do it. In my estimation the most likely replacement for oil will be synthetic oils produced in some as yet undiscovered or (currently) financially unviable method. Oil and gas give an energy density that is unmatched by any other portable energy source so a synthetic alternative is probably far more likely than a replacement technology. Quick question - how many styrofoam cups could you make from the fuel you use in your weekly air commute? :-D "The world is a dangerous place to live, not because of the people who are evil, but because of the people who don't do anything about it." Albert Einstein Dave
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No, I was pointing out how your statement do not hold much weight because of your bias. You give yourself too much credit. I'm in the very rich country of the US making a lot of money, you have to do a lot more than that to get me upset.
from you're post above... I'm in the very rich country of the US making a lot of money And one reason why a lot of people dont like the US. Not because of the wealth as you would like to think but because of that attitude. If you think wealth earns happiness, health (wait maybe you do need money for that in America) or respect you are misguided. Rich men often die lonely.
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Michel Prévost wrote:
Because they found an alternative. We must follow their example.
We will find an alternative. Replacing the utility of gasoline is incredibly difficult and it will take technologies yet undreamt of to do it. In my estimation the most likely replacement for oil will be synthetic oils produced in some as yet undiscovered or (currently) financially unviable method. Oil and gas give an energy density that is unmatched by any other portable energy source so a synthetic alternative is probably far more likely than a replacement technology. Quick question - how many styrofoam cups could you make from the fuel you use in your weekly air commute? :-D "The world is a dangerous place to live, not because of the people who are evil, but because of the people who don't do anything about it." Albert Einstein Dave
DRHuff wrote:
Quick question - how many styrofoam cups could you make from the fuel you use in your weekly air commute?
Damn, busted!!:-O -------- "I say no to drugs, but they don't listen." - Marilyn Manson
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Clinton was against it as well. Did he belive global warming? And BTW, it is not fact on what causes Global warming.
kgaddy wrote:
Clinton
:sigh:
I cannot take anything the Bush administration does seriously. The corruption, the cynical disregard for humanity, the cronyism and incompetence, all wrapped in a slimey flag of ultra-marketed nationalism repulses me. -- consdubya from fark.com.
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Care giving away the password? -------- "I say no to drugs, but they don't listen." - Marilyn Manson
Sorry...ice storm.. Don't have it but the gist is: "Earth's air is cleaner, but this may worsen the greenhouse effect. Our planet's air has cleared up in the past decade or two, allowing more sunshine to reach the ground, say two studies in Science this week. Reductions in industrial emissions in many countries, along with the use of particulate filters for car exhausts and smoke stacks, seem to have reduced the amount of dirt in the atmosphere and made the sky more transparent. That sounds like very good news. But the researchers say that more solar energy arriving on the ground will also make the surface warmer, and this may add to the problems of global warming." In summary, whether we have clean air or not, we are going to have global warming. It's inevitable! Put your head between your...you know the drill! :) ed ~"Watch your thoughts; they become your words. Watch your words they become your actions. Watch your actions; they become your habits. Watch your habits; they become your character. Watch your character; it becomes your destiny." -Frank Outlaw.
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I am fucking sick of that fucking economy argument. YOu will be able to stick this fucking economy up your ass when there is no more resource, for that matter no more viable air to breathe. -------- "I say no to drugs, but they don't listen." - Marilyn Manson
Michel Prévost wrote:
when there is no more resource
What do you think happens when we pull oil out of the ground? It just stops? No! :doh: It doesn't. They start filling up again! There is this thing called nature that just keeps on working with complete disregard to man. For what you are implying has happened is that man has completely stopped the entire eco-system and that isn't going to happen. So calm down...! 'The Day After Tomorrow' was just a movie. ed ~"Watch your thoughts; they become your words. Watch your words they become your actions. Watch your actions; they become your habits. Watch your habits; they become your character. Watch your character; it becomes your destiny." -Frank Outlaw.
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Clinton was against it as well. Did he belive global warming? And BTW, it is not fact on what causes Global warming.
kgaddy wrote:
Clinton was against it as well. Did he belive global warming?
Still living in a fantasy world, I see. Clinton signed the Kyoto Protocol but the Senate failed to ratify it. John Carson "To argue with a man who has renounced the use and authority of reason is like administering medicine to the dead." Thomas Paine
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Michel Prévost wrote:
That is the sad part. US want to pollute as much as it wants.
No, it's because other countries like China and India are exempt from the rules, and this would give them an unfair advantage.
Gotta wonder about folks who just go through and vote remarks down from someone without reason. What you stated is absolute truth. It appears they don't like the truth! ed ~"Watch your thoughts; they become your words. Watch your words they become your actions. Watch your actions; they become your habits. Watch your habits; they become your character. Watch your character; it becomes your destiny." -Frank Outlaw.
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Ed K wrote:
Nope..nothing to do with it![^]
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Nish :sigh:
Sorry..I don't have the bucks to subscribe either! But I posted the gist of the article above. ed ~"Watch your thoughts; they become your words. Watch your words they become your actions. Watch your actions; they become your habits. Watch your habits; they become your character. Watch your character; it becomes your destiny." -Frank Outlaw.
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Partly agree. It may be that the US used that excuse only to appear to have a good reason not to sign the agreement. -------- "I say no to drugs, but they don't listen." - Marilyn Manson
Go figure which side of the argument this guy would be on![^] ed ~"Watch your thoughts; they become your words. Watch your words they become your actions. Watch your actions; they become your habits. Watch your habits; they become your character. Watch your character; it becomes your destiny." -Frank Outlaw.
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Michel Prévost wrote:
Because they found an alternative. We must follow their example.
We will find an alternative. Replacing the utility of gasoline is incredibly difficult and it will take technologies yet undreamt of to do it. In my estimation the most likely replacement for oil will be synthetic oils produced in some as yet undiscovered or (currently) financially unviable method. Oil and gas give an energy density that is unmatched by any other portable energy source so a synthetic alternative is probably far more likely than a replacement technology. Quick question - how many styrofoam cups could you make from the fuel you use in your weekly air commute? :-D "The world is a dangerous place to live, not because of the people who are evil, but because of the people who don't do anything about it." Albert Einstein Dave
DRHuff wrote:
We will find an alternative
Need I start another topic? Anyone know what alternatives are coming available or look promising? I've tried the natural gas cars and they make life miserable. I don't know if natural gas is more plentiful such that it would match the economy of gasoline. But I do know that as far as running a mid-sized car the economy just isn't there. ed ~"Watch your thoughts; they become your words. Watch your words they become your actions. Watch your actions; they become your habits. Watch your habits; they become your character. Watch your character; it becomes your destiny." -Frank Outlaw.
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It's all those SUVs polluting the world.
What is with
It's all those SUVs polluting the world.
getting voted down? :wtf: ed ~"Watch your thoughts; they become your words. Watch your words they become your actions. Watch your actions; they become your habits. Watch your habits; they become your character. Watch your character; it becomes your destiny." -Frank Outlaw.
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Michel Prévost wrote:
That is the sad part. US want to pollute as much as it wants.
No, it's because other countries like China and India are exempt from the rules, and this would give them an unfair advantage.
But the reason china and india are exempted is to allow then to grow and acchieve the same wealth as the west (including the US). You can only object to their exemption if you feel the US is as impovirished as those two countires, or, you dont give a fuck about them becoming as wealthy as the US. But, the quickest way to what will be the future si to allow these countries to come up to speed as fast as possible. That way, they will become viable markets for US exports. We have the same issues with eastern europe. We can exclude them from the wealth club, or we can get them up to speed as fast as possible. And we have to take that pain on the chin for now, it will come right in the end, and the faster we get there the better. Nunc est bibendum
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Michel Prévost wrote:
when there is no more resource
What do you think happens when we pull oil out of the ground? It just stops? No! :doh: It doesn't. They start filling up again! There is this thing called nature that just keeps on working with complete disregard to man. For what you are implying has happened is that man has completely stopped the entire eco-system and that isn't going to happen. So calm down...! 'The Day After Tomorrow' was just a movie. ed ~"Watch your thoughts; they become your words. Watch your words they become your actions. Watch your actions; they become your habits. Watch your habits; they become your character. Watch your character; it becomes your destiny." -Frank Outlaw.
Ed K wrote:
They start filling up again!
That's not quite true. An oil field extends far past the actually area the easily extracted oil is removed from. Once an 'empty' well is capped and abandoned, the residual oil that extended into the surrounding rock seeps back into the emptied area. Some old wells have been reopened to remove this residual content. However, generally speaking, it is of a lower quality than the original content and hence needs additional refining capacity before coming to market - hence is more expensive. (Unless you have an alternative theory for the spontaneous gneration of oil)
Ed K wrote:
There is this thing called nature that just keeps on working with complete disregard to man.
Yes, but just because it disregards us, it doesn't necessarily follow that we can disregard it. "Patriotism is the first refuge of a patriot."