Here it comes!
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Clinton was against it as well. Did he belive global warming? And BTW, it is not fact on what causes Global warming.
kgaddy wrote:
Clinton was against it as well. Did he belive global warming?
Still living in a fantasy world, I see. Clinton signed the Kyoto Protocol but the Senate failed to ratify it. John Carson "To argue with a man who has renounced the use and authority of reason is like administering medicine to the dead." Thomas Paine
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Michel Prévost wrote:
That is the sad part. US want to pollute as much as it wants.
No, it's because other countries like China and India are exempt from the rules, and this would give them an unfair advantage.
Gotta wonder about folks who just go through and vote remarks down from someone without reason. What you stated is absolute truth. It appears they don't like the truth! ed ~"Watch your thoughts; they become your words. Watch your words they become your actions. Watch your actions; they become your habits. Watch your habits; they become your character. Watch your character; it becomes your destiny." -Frank Outlaw.
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Ed K wrote:
Nope..nothing to do with it![^]
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Nish :sigh:
Sorry..I don't have the bucks to subscribe either! But I posted the gist of the article above. ed ~"Watch your thoughts; they become your words. Watch your words they become your actions. Watch your actions; they become your habits. Watch your habits; they become your character. Watch your character; it becomes your destiny." -Frank Outlaw.
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Partly agree. It may be that the US used that excuse only to appear to have a good reason not to sign the agreement. -------- "I say no to drugs, but they don't listen." - Marilyn Manson
Go figure which side of the argument this guy would be on![^] ed ~"Watch your thoughts; they become your words. Watch your words they become your actions. Watch your actions; they become your habits. Watch your habits; they become your character. Watch your character; it becomes your destiny." -Frank Outlaw.
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Michel Prévost wrote:
Because they found an alternative. We must follow their example.
We will find an alternative. Replacing the utility of gasoline is incredibly difficult and it will take technologies yet undreamt of to do it. In my estimation the most likely replacement for oil will be synthetic oils produced in some as yet undiscovered or (currently) financially unviable method. Oil and gas give an energy density that is unmatched by any other portable energy source so a synthetic alternative is probably far more likely than a replacement technology. Quick question - how many styrofoam cups could you make from the fuel you use in your weekly air commute? :-D "The world is a dangerous place to live, not because of the people who are evil, but because of the people who don't do anything about it." Albert Einstein Dave
DRHuff wrote:
We will find an alternative
Need I start another topic? Anyone know what alternatives are coming available or look promising? I've tried the natural gas cars and they make life miserable. I don't know if natural gas is more plentiful such that it would match the economy of gasoline. But I do know that as far as running a mid-sized car the economy just isn't there. ed ~"Watch your thoughts; they become your words. Watch your words they become your actions. Watch your actions; they become your habits. Watch your habits; they become your character. Watch your character; it becomes your destiny." -Frank Outlaw.
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It's all those SUVs polluting the world.
What is with
It's all those SUVs polluting the world.
getting voted down? :wtf: ed ~"Watch your thoughts; they become your words. Watch your words they become your actions. Watch your actions; they become your habits. Watch your habits; they become your character. Watch your character; it becomes your destiny." -Frank Outlaw.
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Michel Prévost wrote:
That is the sad part. US want to pollute as much as it wants.
No, it's because other countries like China and India are exempt from the rules, and this would give them an unfair advantage.
But the reason china and india are exempted is to allow then to grow and acchieve the same wealth as the west (including the US). You can only object to their exemption if you feel the US is as impovirished as those two countires, or, you dont give a fuck about them becoming as wealthy as the US. But, the quickest way to what will be the future si to allow these countries to come up to speed as fast as possible. That way, they will become viable markets for US exports. We have the same issues with eastern europe. We can exclude them from the wealth club, or we can get them up to speed as fast as possible. And we have to take that pain on the chin for now, it will come right in the end, and the faster we get there the better. Nunc est bibendum
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Michel Prévost wrote:
when there is no more resource
What do you think happens when we pull oil out of the ground? It just stops? No! :doh: It doesn't. They start filling up again! There is this thing called nature that just keeps on working with complete disregard to man. For what you are implying has happened is that man has completely stopped the entire eco-system and that isn't going to happen. So calm down...! 'The Day After Tomorrow' was just a movie. ed ~"Watch your thoughts; they become your words. Watch your words they become your actions. Watch your actions; they become your habits. Watch your habits; they become your character. Watch your character; it becomes your destiny." -Frank Outlaw.
Ed K wrote:
They start filling up again!
That's not quite true. An oil field extends far past the actually area the easily extracted oil is removed from. Once an 'empty' well is capped and abandoned, the residual oil that extended into the surrounding rock seeps back into the emptied area. Some old wells have been reopened to remove this residual content. However, generally speaking, it is of a lower quality than the original content and hence needs additional refining capacity before coming to market - hence is more expensive. (Unless you have an alternative theory for the spontaneous gneration of oil)
Ed K wrote:
There is this thing called nature that just keeps on working with complete disregard to man.
Yes, but just because it disregards us, it doesn't necessarily follow that we can disregard it. "Patriotism is the first refuge of a patriot."
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kgaddy wrote:
I'm in the very rich country of the US making a lot of money
Exactly why everyone wants to move over there :-) Right now, most Indian teenagers studying Computer Science want to move to the US. Cause of all the wealth out there :-)
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from you're post above... I'm in the very rich country of the US making a lot of money And one reason why a lot of people dont like the US. Not because of the wealth as you would like to think but because of that attitude. If you think wealth earns happiness, health (wait maybe you do need money for that in America) or respect you are misguided. Rich men often die lonely.
Maybe you didnt get what I was saying, read the whole post. And who said I was happy because I'm doing well? I was just as happy when I was poor and in college. And BTW, I want everyone to be rich and be happy. If your country was wealthy and doing well, I would be very happy for you. Recent polls say that Americans are more happy than Europeans. I dont know if that is true, but I know how I feel. You need to quite worrying about other poeple's wealth and start worrying about your own situation. I hope you strike it rich whereever you are, I would truly be happy for you.
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Nishant Sivakumar wrote:
Exactly why everyone wants to move over there
No Sir :) Not everybody wants to sell his/her soul to the golden calf.
Tiefe Wasser sind nicht still Fold with us! ¤ flickr
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But the reason china and india are exempted is to allow then to grow and acchieve the same wealth as the west (including the US). You can only object to their exemption if you feel the US is as impovirished as those two countires, or, you dont give a fuck about them becoming as wealthy as the US. But, the quickest way to what will be the future si to allow these countries to come up to speed as fast as possible. That way, they will become viable markets for US exports. We have the same issues with eastern europe. We can exclude them from the wealth club, or we can get them up to speed as fast as possible. And we have to take that pain on the chin for now, it will come right in the end, and the faster we get there the better. Nunc est bibendum
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K(arl) wrote: Not everybody wants to sell his/her soul to the golden calf. I think you misunderstand. You can be lazy here too if you want! But if you choose to do well, it's very easy here. the choice is yours.:-D
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Do you believe that 20 years from now when they are wealthy they will give up thir polluting ways???? Makes no sense. If you want to stop pollution this crazy.
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I think you misunderstand, the value of a man resides in what he gives and not in what he is capable of receiving.
Tiefe Wasser sind nicht still Fold with us! ¤ flickr
Yes, and the best gift is freedom to do what you want. If you want to be lazy and drink beer all day? Go for it! I really dont care. I just hate it when the beer drinker starts complaining that the other people have more than him and claims it's not fair. Where I live people are very giving. If someone is in trouble we band together and help out. It's beautiful.
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We can cut them some slack for now, till their economies are up to the extra cost of polution control. The US option is to let them do what they want, and to keep on poluting itself! Now that is crazy! Nunc est bibendum
No, The US knew it was a crazy plan, and unfair to the US. If the goal is to cut pollution, then cut it. If it is to bring down one economey, to lift another, then just say it. Here is a good article: "Now, according to the June 12 issue of USA Today, "Economists from the Clinton White House now concede that complying with Kyoto’s mandatory reductions in greenhouse gases would be difficult – and more expensive to American consumers than they thought when they were in charge." This change in tune from the Clintonites is part of the reason that Bush decided to reject Kyoto." http://www.globalwarming.org/article.php?uid=519
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No, The US knew it was a crazy plan, and unfair to the US. If the goal is to cut pollution, then cut it. If it is to bring down one economey, to lift another, then just say it. Here is a good article: "Now, according to the June 12 issue of USA Today, "Economists from the Clinton White House now concede that complying with Kyoto’s mandatory reductions in greenhouse gases would be difficult – and more expensive to American consumers than they thought when they were in charge." This change in tune from the Clintonites is part of the reason that Bush decided to reject Kyoto." http://www.globalwarming.org/article.php?uid=519
kgaddy wrote:
bring down one economey
Kyoto was signed by more than just the US. How about the whole of Europe and Japan, and god knows what else. The fact is the US hasnt got the maturity to do this. You still only think of yourselves, and fuck anyone else. Always has been and always will. Look at Iraq, another fuck you move whos sole purpose was to get Iraqi oil. Its about time the US grew up a bit you know, the wild west days are long gone. Nunc est bibendum
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kgaddy wrote:
bring down one economey
Kyoto was signed by more than just the US. How about the whole of Europe and Japan, and god knows what else. The fact is the US hasnt got the maturity to do this. You still only think of yourselves, and fuck anyone else. Always has been and always will. Look at Iraq, another fuck you move whos sole purpose was to get Iraqi oil. Its about time the US grew up a bit you know, the wild west days are long gone. Nunc est bibendum
fat_boy wrote:
Kyoto was signed by more than just the US. How about the whole of Europe and Japan, and god knows what else.
They had nothing to lose.
fat_boy wrote:
You still only think of yourselves
Sure we do. Every county thinks of themselves. They are supposed to. Your country does it.
fat_boy wrote:
another f*** you move whos sole purpose was to get Iraqi oil.
:laugh::laugh::laugh: Tell me, where is this "oil" the US took. I sure would love to have some. The fact is, Iraq has only cost the US money. The only thing the US will get from Iraq is, hopefully one day, peace.
fat_boy wrote:
Its about time the US grew up a bit you know, the wild west days are long gone.
:wtf:
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Lawsuits against the US over Global Warming[^] which isn't jiving with the possibility of a mini ice age.[^] Note that the article blames it on Global Warming however it also notes that temps worldwide haven't been this warm for 12,000 years. Go ahead and raise your hands if you were driving back then...or if any of your ancestors were causing it. ;P ed ~"Watch your thoughts; they become your words. Watch your words they become your actions. Watch your actions; they become your habits. Watch your habits; they become your character. Watch your character; it becomes your destiny." -Frank Outlaw.
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fat_boy wrote:
Kyoto was signed by more than just the US. How about the whole of Europe and Japan, and god knows what else.
They had nothing to lose.
fat_boy wrote:
You still only think of yourselves
Sure we do. Every county thinks of themselves. They are supposed to. Your country does it.
fat_boy wrote:
another f*** you move whos sole purpose was to get Iraqi oil.
:laugh::laugh::laugh: Tell me, where is this "oil" the US took. I sure would love to have some. The fact is, Iraq has only cost the US money. The only thing the US will get from Iraq is, hopefully one day, peace.
fat_boy wrote:
Its about time the US grew up a bit you know, the wild west days are long gone.
:wtf:
kgaddy wrote:
They had nothing to lose
What? Seriously, please explain what you mean.
kgaddy wrote:
Every county thinks of themselves. They are supposed to. Your country does it.
Except those who signed the Kyoto agreement. Their thoughts are to limit environmental damage, while giving third and second world economies a chance to grow.
kgaddy wrote:
Iraq has only cost the US money
Yeah, wasnt supposed to turn out like this was it? You thought youd go in, take out Sadam, be welcomed as heroes, put in place a puppet government and secure the largest oil reserve in the world for sale in dollars, at a price suiting you. Ha ha! You fucked up big time. What a bunch of naive idiots you have in government! You are NEVER going to get out of Iraq.If you do, all the oil in the east will go to Iran. Or some Shia like break away country like Iran. You might still get favourable treatment from the Kurds though, so you might be able to control Kirkuk! But then Turkey might invade if the Kurds break away from Baghdad. What a fucking disaster, you are in a right mess. Nunc est bibendum
