Islamists demand Bangladeshi women wear veil
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I demand reasons to argue with him..give me some MyBlogs http://weblogs.com.pk/kadnan
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kgaddy wrote:
I'm sure in free countries, like the US, Britian, Turkey, that women do wear it out of conviction only.
Not necessary. I believe that even in the US, UK etc. there are Muslim women who have to wear it even if they don't really want to.
Nishant Sivakumar wrote:
Not necessary. I believe that even in the US, UK etc. there are Muslim women who have to wear it even if they don't really want to.
NIsh,i have seen women in India who wear saris,i ve seen thousands of people in life who wear and i believe there forced to wear clothes ,otherwise they wanted to be naked all the time. could you explain how why those women wear sarees and why ppl wear clothes?are they forced to wear anything? Thanks MyBlogs http://weblogs.com.pk/kadnan
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If you are going to argue successfully, don't fall into the strawman trap. It may work against your opponent, as they are likely to be emotional. For the observers however, the strawman will not look too impressive. Since A.A.'s remark was clearly an ad hominem attack (unfounded or not), you should've defended yourself by saying "why are you attacking me, instead of my arguments?". Then you would definately have "won points" in the eyes of the observers, and you would also have made the opponent aware of his mistake, which gives you a psychological advantage. :) -- Pictures[^] from my Japan trip.
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Burqah is not amongh muslims only anyway..and I wonder why covering face is scary for yo?cos you can`t see their faces. A woman who cover herself would be more secure,will be lesser chance to get harrased then a woman who`s exposing herbody..fair enough..it happens and its the fact MyBlogs http://weblogs.com.pk/kadnan
Adnan Siddiqi wrote:
A woman who cover herself would be more secure,will be lesser chance to get harrased then a woman who`s exposing herbody..fair enough..it happens and its the fact
That indicates that there is a problem with men, right? So covering women is just healing the symptoms, instead of healing the disease. -- Pictures[^] from my Japan trip.
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A.A. wrote:
Muslim women throughout the world don't wear the headscarf out of conviction rather because they were forced and threatened.
Actually, I believe that a good number of them are socially forced to wear it.
Nishant Sivakumar wrote:
Actually, I believe that a good number of them are socially forced to wear it.
again,care to backup with some proof?:),majority pf pakitani women dont wear burqah or scarf,while on other side,indian muslim wear it...so..what the point here? MyBlogs http://weblogs.com.pk/kadnan
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The real test will be how the Bangladesh government responds to these ultimatums. Posting additional security guards only, seems a bit defeatist. If theses pieces of human flotsam are threatening the lives of private citizens then immediate action should be taken. Round up every one of the jackasses that you know about; go on the offensive and not wait for them murder somebody. Hey don't worry, I can handle it. I took something. I can see things no one else can see. Why are you dressed like that? - Jack Burton
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Farhan Noor Qureshi wrote:
You are wrong. Most, I repeat, most women wear Islamic headscarfs because they choose to.
While you are right about the muslim women in non-islamic countries, for women who live in a theocracy like iran, wearing a burka is the obvious choice, considering that the other option is being punished publically.
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Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote:
From me..? I'm not involved, you will get nothing out of me.
Yes, you are just a disinterested onlooker.
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Nishant Sivakumar wrote:
Not necessary. I believe that even in the US, UK etc. there are Muslim women who have to wear it even if they don't really want to.
NIsh,i have seen women in India who wear saris,i ve seen thousands of people in life who wear and i believe there forced to wear clothes ,otherwise they wanted to be naked all the time. could you explain how why those women wear sarees and why ppl wear clothes?are they forced to wear anything? Thanks MyBlogs http://weblogs.com.pk/kadnan
Adnan Siddiqi wrote:
NIsh,i have seen women in India who wear saris,i ve seen thousands of people in life who wear and i believe there forced to wear clothes ,otherwise they wanted to be naked all the time. could you explain how why those women wear sarees and why ppl wear clothes?are they forced to wear anything?
Hello Adnan, There's a difference between wearing clothes and putting a shawl around your face. I am not saying it's a bad thing if the person enjoys doing it. But there are women who do not want to wear the facial shawl. Which is why this specific Bangladeshi group says it'll kill such women. That, is simply not right. No woman should be told that she would die if she didn't wear the facial shawl. Nish p.s. Your name reminds me of that singer with the same first name, Adnan Sami, don't know if he's Indian or Pakistani :-)
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Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote:
From me..? I'm not involved, you will get nothing out of me.
Yes, you are just a disinterested onlooker.
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Adnan Siddiqi wrote:
A woman who cover herself would be more secure,will be lesser chance to get harrased then a woman who`s exposing herbody..fair enough..it happens and its the fact
That indicates that there is a problem with men, right? So covering women is just healing the symptoms, instead of healing the disease. -- Pictures[^] from my Japan trip.
Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote:
That indicates that there is a problem with men, right? So covering women is just healing the symptoms, instead of healing the disease.
I think the original idea was that men shouldn't see the hair of a woman. Apparently it was too tempting for them. I don't particularly like long haired women, so this logic beats me! :)
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Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote:
I wouldn't say disinterested
Okay, let's say a partially interested onlooker then :-) The interested parties here would be Adnan and Kgaddy!
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Nishant,my family women dont wear scarf cos they didn`t opt to,you live in Toronto,i wonder how many covered headed women have u seen over there MyBlogs http://weblogs.com.pk/kadnan
Adnan Siddiqi wrote:
Nishant,my family women dont wear scarf cos they didn`t opt to
That is nice :-) I am glad they could do as they wanted to. If they were in Bangladesh, they'd have been worried now I guess.
Adnan Siddiqi wrote:
you live in Toronto,i wonder how many covered headed women have u seen over there
Quite a few. Even school going girls. Though they aren't very careful with it. I've seen girls whose head cloth keeps falling off ands they don't care a lot.
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some ppl never learns,kgaddy is one of them..amongn many ppl here,he`s ignored and his remarks are not credible due to promoting haterd amongh cultures and religions MyBlogs http://weblogs.com.pk/kadnan
Adnan Siddiqi wrote:
he`s ignored and his remarks are not credible due to promoting haterd amongh cultures and religions
:laugh: ... or because he believes in freely tweaking the noses of the political correct zealots and true believers. "Patriotism is the first refuge of a patriot."
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Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote:
I wouldn't say disinterested
Okay, let's say a partially interested onlooker then :-) The interested parties here would be Adnan and Kgaddy!
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Nishant Sivakumar wrote:
Actually, I believe that a good number of them are socially forced to wear it.
again,care to backup with some proof?:),majority pf pakitani women dont wear burqah or scarf,while on other side,indian muslim wear it...so..what the point here? MyBlogs http://weblogs.com.pk/kadnan
Adnan Siddiqi wrote:
again,care to backup with some proof?
I cannot bring in any eye-witnesses here. But Muslim lady friends of mine have told me that they moved out to the US (after marriage) for a socially more independent life.
Adnan Siddiqi wrote:
majority pf pakitani women dont wear burqah or scarf,while on other side,indian muslim wear it...so..what the point here?
Yes, there are some areas in India with an extremist Muslim population. In Kerala, my state, we often hear of tragic stories relating to such areas. Several radical Islamic movie makers have made movies depicting some of these stories. It's sad, but it has to change. In India, we have different civil laws based on religion. That has to go. If we have a uniform civil code, many of these tragedies can be avoided.
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Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote:
Not only are they interested, they are also interesting.
Hmmmm :rolleyes:
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Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote:
Not only are they interested, they are also interesting.
Hmmmm :rolleyes:
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Nishant Sivakumar wrote:
It has and still is being addressed in a big way. In more than 2 decades of living in India, I've never seen a lower-caste woman ill-treated in public (hard to tell what happens inside private households). So things are looking good.
According to what I read and documentries I've seen it is a real problem currently affecting hundreds of millions.
Nishant Sivakumar wrote:
purdah/burkah system etc should be banished. Not just in India, but everywhere!
I am not sure what you mean by system, but if you are talking about the hijab it isn't going anywhere. Muslim women in many parts of the world have shown even if they are barred from education, thrown out of jobs, etc they will keep to their principles.
Quran IslamWeb (IE only) "They are MUSLIM. It does not matter how you split it up: all msulims (so they say) see every other muslim as a brother, regardless of origin or nationality." -legalAlien. Alhamdullah for the blessing of Islam
A.A. wrote:
According to what I read and documentries I've seen it is a real problem currently affecting hundreds of millions.
If your sources were Pakistan media, chances are good that the facts were severely distorted. In my state, Kerala, one of the most flourishing communities (statistically) belong to what was once a backward caste. But yes, in Northern India, caste issues still exist, though most of it is money-related. If you have money, no one gives a shit about your caste.
A.A. wrote:
Muslim women in many parts of the world have shown even if they are barred from education, thrown out of jobs, etc they will keep to their principles.
In Kerala, we have a few Muslim woman revolutionaries though - some of them want some of these gender discriminatory practices abolished. Different regions - different women I suppose. Anyway, my base point is that there are still a good number of women who want to escape these shackles but are unable to. Those women need to be rescued.
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Nishant Sivakumar wrote:
It has and still is being addressed in a big way. In more than 2 decades of living in India, I've never seen a lower-caste woman ill-treated in public (hard to tell what happens inside private households). So things are looking good.
have u been really going thru,whats happening in India??think again:) MyBlogs http://weblogs.com.pk/kadnan
Adnan Siddiqi wrote:
have u been really going thru,whats happening in India??think again
I most definitely have. The few odd occurrences of caste and religion based evil do not negate the improvements that have been happening elsewhere.