Tab and lyrics sites in danger?
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Christopher Duncan wrote:
When you figure this out, let me know. I want to buy stock in your company!
*grin* That would be the point. As you say, what this is, is a promotional campaign. It's not a fight to force someone's rights, because no-one can stop illegal downloading. It cannot be done, so what needs to happen ( and what happened to me spontaneously ) is that people need to be made to care enough about IP to *choose* to buy things instead of stealing them. Of course, the lower you go down the income chain, the harder people will be to convince. I can afford to buy more CD's and DVD's than I have time to enjoy. Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++
Christian Graus wrote:
people need to be made to care enough about IP to *choose* to buy things instead of stealing them
Yeah, now you're getting down to the real meat of the matter. I don't know much about the progression of societies in countries other than America, but in this country I've seen a steady deterioration of attitudes and ethics through the past three or four decades. There's also a huge sense of entitlement here, along with a lack of accountability. People feel that they "deserve" things for no other reason than being born, and are quick to dismiss any personal responsibilty for how their actions affect others. Not content to just sit back and whine about this, addressing these issues in a practical manner is the topic of my next book. Of course, since they say "write what you know", I'll be addressing American society exclusively. That's my chunk. There's plenty of the world left for everyone else. ;) Christopher Duncan The Career Programmer: Guerilla Tactics for an Imperfect World Unite the Tribes: Ending Turf Wars for Career and Business Success The Composer Channel (Internet radio)
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Christian Graus wrote:
people need to be made to care enough about IP to *choose* to buy things instead of stealing them
Yeah, now you're getting down to the real meat of the matter. I don't know much about the progression of societies in countries other than America, but in this country I've seen a steady deterioration of attitudes and ethics through the past three or four decades. There's also a huge sense of entitlement here, along with a lack of accountability. People feel that they "deserve" things for no other reason than being born, and are quick to dismiss any personal responsibilty for how their actions affect others. Not content to just sit back and whine about this, addressing these issues in a practical manner is the topic of my next book. Of course, since they say "write what you know", I'll be addressing American society exclusively. That's my chunk. There's plenty of the world left for everyone else. ;) Christopher Duncan The Career Programmer: Guerilla Tactics for an Imperfect World Unite the Tribes: Ending Turf Wars for Career and Business Success The Composer Channel (Internet radio)
Christopher Duncan wrote:
People feel that they "deserve" things for no other reason than being born, and are quick to dismiss any personal responsibilty for how their actions affect others.
Yes, I am only 36 years old, but I'd say that's definately the attitude I've seen grow over the years.
Christopher Duncan wrote:
That's my chunk. There's plenty of the world left for everyone else.
We're not that different to the USA, hell most of our popular culture comes from you guys. The only real difference I detected was cuisine. Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++
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It's how the music industry greed sees it. As I said, when having lyrics and tabs you have to buy the album in order to play the tunes. Also as others said, a lot of people including me have started playing because of tabs and lyrics widely available. This tab/lyrics phenomenon does only to encourage people into buying more records as they probably would. And I bet the music industry know this. But beeing a huge phenomenon they also saw a new way of making more money. I bet that after this whole legale action against sites they will make their authors edit songbooks/tabbooks and they will sell them to the same sites in order to be published. regards, Mircea Many people spend their life going to sleep when they’re not sleepy and waking up while they still are.
Well, I'm glad that there are laws in place to protect musicians, since they're usually the first ones to be screwed in any business dealing. However, I agree in spirit with what you're saying - I think a lot of music companies are handling this entire Internet issue stupidly. Christopher Duncan The Career Programmer: Guerilla Tactics for an Imperfect World Unite the Tribes: Ending Turf Wars for Career and Business Success The Composer Channel (Internet radio)
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/4508158.stm[^] The music industry is to extend its copyright war by taking legal action against websites offering unlicensed song scores and lyrics. I certainly hope that a) this isn't a repost and that b) I will not be sent packing to the soap box. I haven't posted much on CP lately but this just came as such a shock I had to complain somewhere. IMHO this is plain outrageous; sites like taborama.com[^] offer user posted tabs (not copied scorebooks) and lyrics, which as far as I know the authors have rights over. They have temporarily removed access to a large number of tabs while this is happening... I don't know what you people think of this but to me it seems like it's really a step further than is reasonable. These tabs are used mainly for home hobby purposes and I can't see the justification for banning personal peoples' interpretation of music. Am I totally off track here? Don't get me wrong here, I agree that for instance sharing copyrighted music in any form is wrong, but I consider this a completely different matter. Paul
What next? Will the record companies be shutting down sites because individual words or phrases are similar to popular lyrics. Don't Be Cruel, you Can't Stop The Music...
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/4508158.stm[^] The music industry is to extend its copyright war by taking legal action against websites offering unlicensed song scores and lyrics. I certainly hope that a) this isn't a repost and that b) I will not be sent packing to the soap box. I haven't posted much on CP lately but this just came as such a shock I had to complain somewhere. IMHO this is plain outrageous; sites like taborama.com[^] offer user posted tabs (not copied scorebooks) and lyrics, which as far as I know the authors have rights over. They have temporarily removed access to a large number of tabs while this is happening... I don't know what you people think of this but to me it seems like it's really a step further than is reasonable. These tabs are used mainly for home hobby purposes and I can't see the justification for banning personal peoples' interpretation of music. Am I totally off track here? Don't get me wrong here, I agree that for instance sharing copyrighted music in any form is wrong, but I consider this a completely different matter. Paul
So all the tab sites will soon end with a .ru name. Fine. cheers, Chris Maunder
CodeProject.com : C++ MVP
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Christopher Duncan wrote:
People feel that they "deserve" things for no other reason than being born, and are quick to dismiss any personal responsibilty for how their actions affect others.
Yes, I am only 36 years old, but I'd say that's definately the attitude I've seen grow over the years.
Christopher Duncan wrote:
That's my chunk. There's plenty of the world left for everyone else.
We're not that different to the USA, hell most of our popular culture comes from you guys. The only real difference I detected was cuisine. Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++
Christian Graus wrote:
The only real difference I detected was cuisine.
What, no pizza on your side of the pond? :omg: Christopher Duncan The Career Programmer: Guerilla Tactics for an Imperfect World Unite the Tribes: Ending Turf Wars for Career and Business Success The Composer Channel (Internet radio)
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Christian Graus wrote:
The only real difference I detected was cuisine.
What, no pizza on your side of the pond? :omg: Christopher Duncan The Career Programmer: Guerilla Tactics for an Imperfect World Unite the Tribes: Ending Turf Wars for Career and Business Success The Composer Channel (Internet radio)
1000 fast food chains that mostly sell the same crap, but all of it is incredibly cheap pretty decent beef, I must say a tendency towards cherry and grape as flavours, two things we don't see here an inability to serve fast food in a remotely reasonable size ( I could order a small and eat for two days, soft drink servings are the worst ) no fish and chip shops ( that I saw ) Cherry Mountain Dew ( yum !!! ) Banana Cream Pie and Coconut Cream Pie ( double yum ) sweets for breakfast ( I was routinely given sticky buns at break fast time, and the cereals - don't get me started. Then there was the waffles... ) My overall impression is that people in the USA eat out a lot more than we do. A friend tells me he met people who were amazed that we cook our own food every night, that these particular people would cook only when they had guests. I assume this is not the norm, but I know that the main guy I talk to in the US tells me he eats out most nights, too. Oh, and all of your chocolate tastes like absolute crap. Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++
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Paul van der Walt wrote:
Ah, but that's where this is totally different - the sites we're talking about allow users to post their own approximated tablatures, that they've created by listening to the tune. They're expressly *not* copied from songbooks or other people or the band etc. The users (read: authors) post the tabs themselves.
so what you're saying is if I "copied" the Mona Lisa painting using my own paints and canvas and then uploaded a digital copy of it to the internet, that should be allowed?
ahz wrote:
so what you're saying is if I "copied" the Mona Lisa painting using my own paints and canvas and then uploaded a digital copy of it to the internet, that should be allowed?
If you paint your own version of Mona Lisa and try to sell it as being the original the (justifiable) charge would be fraud and not copyright infringement. But I'm fairly sure (I'm just a bad programmer, not a lawyer :~ ) that if you try to publish a photo of the original in a book or article you have to get the approval of the copyright owner. Since the lyrics of a song are something a lot simpler than Mona Lisa, I'd say a transcript is a good enough copy to raise copyright issues. Put it another way: you could buy an audio version of your preferred book and you write down the content. Do you think that should be allowed? OGR
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"Unauthorised use of lyrics and tablature deprives the songwriter of the ability to make a living" oh right, why doesn't he say what he really means. The record labels saw a new opportunity to make more money, by asking sites to pay for the tabs and lyrics. And is really absurd not to be able to post your own tab to the internet. Most of the tabs aren't that accurate just because they are not pirrated but written by someone that just listened to the tune. What about lyics? It's not that you can't hear them while playing the tune. All this seems to me pretty unfair, but after all, like there always is, the big bananas make the rules. regards, Mircea Many people spend their life going to sleep when they’re not sleepy and waking up while they still are.
Mircea Grelus wrote:
...the big bananas make the rules.
Yeah, but you make the big bananas.
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1000 fast food chains that mostly sell the same crap, but all of it is incredibly cheap pretty decent beef, I must say a tendency towards cherry and grape as flavours, two things we don't see here an inability to serve fast food in a remotely reasonable size ( I could order a small and eat for two days, soft drink servings are the worst ) no fish and chip shops ( that I saw ) Cherry Mountain Dew ( yum !!! ) Banana Cream Pie and Coconut Cream Pie ( double yum ) sweets for breakfast ( I was routinely given sticky buns at break fast time, and the cereals - don't get me started. Then there was the waffles... ) My overall impression is that people in the USA eat out a lot more than we do. A friend tells me he met people who were amazed that we cook our own food every night, that these particular people would cook only when they had guests. I assume this is not the norm, but I know that the main guy I talk to in the US tells me he eats out most nights, too. Oh, and all of your chocolate tastes like absolute crap. Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++
Christian Graus wrote:
people in the USA eat out a lot more than we do
probably true in general
Christian Graus wrote:
this is not the norm
it is not the norm to eat out *every* night, but once a week is probably the norm. Eating out for lunch daily because of work is the norm for most people.
Christian Graus wrote:
Oh, and all of your chocolate tastes like absolute crap.
That's definately true. Except the imported stuff.
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Sorry should of been "the law is an ass". http://www.bartleby.com/73/1002.html[^]
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1000 fast food chains that mostly sell the same crap, but all of it is incredibly cheap pretty decent beef, I must say a tendency towards cherry and grape as flavours, two things we don't see here an inability to serve fast food in a remotely reasonable size ( I could order a small and eat for two days, soft drink servings are the worst ) no fish and chip shops ( that I saw ) Cherry Mountain Dew ( yum !!! ) Banana Cream Pie and Coconut Cream Pie ( double yum ) sweets for breakfast ( I was routinely given sticky buns at break fast time, and the cereals - don't get me started. Then there was the waffles... ) My overall impression is that people in the USA eat out a lot more than we do. A friend tells me he met people who were amazed that we cook our own food every night, that these particular people would cook only when they had guests. I assume this is not the norm, but I know that the main guy I talk to in the US tells me he eats out most nights, too. Oh, and all of your chocolate tastes like absolute crap. Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++
Christian Graus wrote:
Oh, and all of your chocolate tastes like absolute crap.
Gosh, given the intellectual nature of this crowd, I'd hate to be seen as taking what you say as a given without proper research on my part. Perhaps you could send me a package of your variety so that I could adequately prepare for any future remarks... :-D Christopher Duncan The Career Programmer: Guerilla Tactics for an Imperfect World Unite the Tribes: Ending Turf Wars for Career and Business Success The Composer Channel (Internet radio)
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Christian Graus wrote:
people in the USA eat out a lot more than we do
probably true in general
Christian Graus wrote:
this is not the norm
it is not the norm to eat out *every* night, but once a week is probably the norm. Eating out for lunch daily because of work is the norm for most people.
Christian Graus wrote:
Oh, and all of your chocolate tastes like absolute crap.
That's definately true. Except the imported stuff.
ahz wrote:
That's definately true. Except the imported stuff.
In fact, I brought a heap of chocolate home ( didn't eat any there ), and no-one would eat it !!! Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++
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Christian Graus wrote:
Oh, and all of your chocolate tastes like absolute crap.
Gosh, given the intellectual nature of this crowd, I'd hate to be seen as taking what you say as a given without proper research on my part. Perhaps you could send me a package of your variety so that I could adequately prepare for any future remarks... :-D Christopher Duncan The Career Programmer: Guerilla Tactics for an Imperfect World Unite the Tribes: Ending Turf Wars for Career and Business Success The Composer Channel (Internet radio)
You can't buy Lindt over there ? Aussie chocolate is pretty average, but it beats crap out of Hersheys. Even local Nestle beats US Nestle, I guess they tailor make to their markets. Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++