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    Joao Vaz
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    I'm happy with my country's victory over Spain on the 2004 football(soccer)Euro Cup, that was a very delicious one ,albeit I have pity for them, one such great team didn't deserve to be eliminated so soon !!! But this sport's joy doesn't cheer me up with this increasing frustration on this state of the economy, the last's years on the programming market is like riding a Ferrari on a increasing poor lane, with the age , I'm getting better, but , It's getting worse with the thing that rules the world, MONEY . This 6 programming years , the more I known , the better I program , the more responsibilities that I have , the more I study , the more I work, the more respect I have from my peers, the less I earn !!! Now let's get honest, sometimes I on purpose choose the guys that paid less for the fun of the project , for the challenge , to enlarge my horizons , to improve my skills , like choosing my current multinational employer. This last year is being fun , lot's of server-side programming on Solaris (I miss VC++ debugger so much ...) with c++ , java , CORBA and multithreading on a international large project used by Communication Services Providers(carriers) ,and yes , CORBA isn't dead , ask the Telecom guys !!! This is a great job (at least in IMHO, and yes, I don't think java is that horrible, I admit it ,IMO at the language design level C# it’s very similar to Java with lot of improved goodies), but the reality it's that with my wife's lousy salary and this salary that I admit in terms of the general income of the Portugal population isn't that bad, this perhaps doesn't pay all the pains and the *unpaid extra work* that a lot of times reach in excess +30 hours over the 40 hours of Portuguese normal labour ... Instead of feeling smarter with so much study that I put and my improved logic reasoning , I'm feeling dumber and dumber ... So for you, guys and girls are you satisfied with your programming career, do you feel motivated to always do your best, you are pleased with your salary, do you feel that your salary is fair ? Don't you feel sick of working so hard , or you are lucky for having a employer that doesn't let you do some much extra-hours , or you are though guy that doesn't that happen? Are you sick of for choosing this profession instead of some kind of other creative and less stressful area ? Are you a geek that sacrifices a lot of nights of good night sleep in exchange for researching and programming like *yours truly* :sigh: , that are so infected with this programming disease that

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      I'm happy with my country's victory over Spain on the 2004 football(soccer)Euro Cup, that was a very delicious one ,albeit I have pity for them, one such great team didn't deserve to be eliminated so soon !!! But this sport's joy doesn't cheer me up with this increasing frustration on this state of the economy, the last's years on the programming market is like riding a Ferrari on a increasing poor lane, with the age , I'm getting better, but , It's getting worse with the thing that rules the world, MONEY . This 6 programming years , the more I known , the better I program , the more responsibilities that I have , the more I study , the more I work, the more respect I have from my peers, the less I earn !!! Now let's get honest, sometimes I on purpose choose the guys that paid less for the fun of the project , for the challenge , to enlarge my horizons , to improve my skills , like choosing my current multinational employer. This last year is being fun , lot's of server-side programming on Solaris (I miss VC++ debugger so much ...) with c++ , java , CORBA and multithreading on a international large project used by Communication Services Providers(carriers) ,and yes , CORBA isn't dead , ask the Telecom guys !!! This is a great job (at least in IMHO, and yes, I don't think java is that horrible, I admit it ,IMO at the language design level C# it’s very similar to Java with lot of improved goodies), but the reality it's that with my wife's lousy salary and this salary that I admit in terms of the general income of the Portugal population isn't that bad, this perhaps doesn't pay all the pains and the *unpaid extra work* that a lot of times reach in excess +30 hours over the 40 hours of Portuguese normal labour ... Instead of feeling smarter with so much study that I put and my improved logic reasoning , I'm feeling dumber and dumber ... So for you, guys and girls are you satisfied with your programming career, do you feel motivated to always do your best, you are pleased with your salary, do you feel that your salary is fair ? Don't you feel sick of working so hard , or you are lucky for having a employer that doesn't let you do some much extra-hours , or you are though guy that doesn't that happen? Are you sick of for choosing this profession instead of some kind of other creative and less stressful area ? Are you a geek that sacrifices a lot of nights of good night sleep in exchange for researching and programming like *yours truly* :sigh: , that are so infected with this programming disease that

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      Here in France, the current normal labour is 35H (no no, it's not a typo) ! It was done two couple of years before to increase employment. But things have to be done also. Working more at work is not always possible as the office close very early. Then I work at home. But ALL what I do at work is MINE, 50% only what is done at work (from intellectual property point of view) ! So I keep a copy of every of my home production, and sometimes share it (like the CSkinProgress), sometimes reserve it for further production ! I'll get 'paid' with my own work once I'll release some shareware things based on my home works ! Turn bad situations into your own advantage ! Kochise In Code we trust !

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        Here in France, the current normal labour is 35H (no no, it's not a typo) ! It was done two couple of years before to increase employment. But things have to be done also. Working more at work is not always possible as the office close very early. Then I work at home. But ALL what I do at work is MINE, 50% only what is done at work (from intellectual property point of view) ! So I keep a copy of every of my home production, and sometimes share it (like the CSkinProgress), sometimes reserve it for further production ! I'll get 'paid' with my own work once I'll release some shareware things based on my home works ! Turn bad situations into your own advantage ! Kochise In Code we trust !

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        Kochise wrote: Then I work at home. But ALL what I do at work is MINE, 50% only what is done at work (from intellectual property point of view) ! So I keep a copy of every of my home production, and sometimes share it (like the CSkinProgress), sometimes reserve it for further production ! I'll get 'paid' with my own work once I'll release some shareware things based on my home works ! It's a different situation that I'm used to, but this doesn't work with my current employer. This software is very specific to Telecoms, it runs on Solaris SPARC machines ,the core have well over 1 million lines of code in c++ , apart from other components in c++ and java . No way that my employer will accept that part of the intellectual property was actually mine, they have a very strict policy concerning licensing. In this kind of company unfortunately I cannot do what you do. Kochise wrote: Turn bad situations into your own advantage ! Fortunately for you it works :-) Cheers,Joao Vaz Three primary LAN architectures for Network Engineers, under the sky, Seven OSI layers for the Open System Architects, in their halls of stone, Nine N-xDU operations* for mortal Developers, doomed to die, One protocol suite for the Dark Sysadmin, in his dark server room, In the land of mordor.net, where the shadowed fibers lie

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