I hate hunters
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This is bringing up the whole Animal Rights vegetarian issue. For the record, my Fiancée is vegetarian, and I'm happy to eat meat (tho do so seldomly, as it's far easier just to cook veggie meals!) About a year ago we found a rabbit in the middle of the road, with very bad Myxomatosis. We took it to the vet, who said she couldn’t do anything, so had to put it down. This upset me, (the silly, soppy thing that I am,) that the poor animal had been miserable, and died a needless death - The vet said it’s normal in infected rabbits that they just loose the will to live, and go and sit in the middle of the road to die. My fiancée then questioned me on why I was happy to have animals die so I could eat them, yet upset by this rabbit dying. What I told her (which is totally what I believe) is that if an animal dies to provide me food, then, in my opinion, it died a noble death, and I am grateful of it’s sacrifice for me (back to the whole natural food chain bit) – I will always make an effort to buy better quality organic/free range meat whenever there’s an option - for another thing, it just tastes much better!) I’m a complete pacifist, and would never want to kill anything just for the pure sake of killing it, but I know in my heart that if I was in a situation where killing an animal would provide food to keep me alive, then I would have to do it. Really it’s supermarkets to blame. If you ask a kid where milk comes from, they’ll probably tell you it was from Asda (or whatever chain their parents shop at), and will often be genuinely surprised if you make the connection between the cute pink things they’ve seen in animal parks and the sausages on their plate. We all know that an animal had to die so that we can have meat on our plates, but most people are happy to just forget about it (or think “hell, they’re not human, who gives a toss if they suffer”) -- Help me! I'm turning into a grapefruit! Phoenix Paint - back from DPaint's ashes!
benjymous wrote: This is bringing up the whole Animal Rights vegetarian issue. Not exactly what i was aiming at... I agree with most of what you said, if not all...I eat meat...I thought i made that clear...I don't plan on changing that...we are omnivores... I just don't believe hunting is appropriate in these days and age...it's barbarric...and not neccsary... Cheers :) How do I print my voice mail?
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Hockey wrote: and for any statistics that say...hunting is a required essential part of the ecosystem...blah blah blah... But it is. Hunting animals isn't for me at all, I much prefer hunting other consenting adults[^] for the reasons you've stated, but in many environments where animals exist because they were introduced by humans or humans have removed a part of the ecosystem that would normally cull them then we need to accept responsibility and step in to manage their numbers. The environment would be damaged far more quickly if we allowed them to get out of control as we have with ourselves. Paul says it quiote nicely above - "we are all animals". Why not let people who enjoy the experience do the dirty work. It might just help save the lives of other animals that would be killed for sport.
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First of all...where do you live...how did you get those killer guns (no pun intended)... Yer like Scarface..."Lemme show you ma' lil' friend" How do I print my voice mail?
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i think you missed the point Jubjub i also find it highly entertaining that you don't want others opinions pushed on you (which i doubt that they are) but you're more than happy to tell us your point of view :) personally i couldn't give a monkey's if someone wants to hunt rabbits, mice, wild pigs or not, i've got more improtant things to worry about. My preference is that they leave plenty for others and don't make 'em suffer too much. But thats my point of view...game of team fortress anyone? bryce --- To paraphrase Fred Dagg - the views expressed in this post are bloody good ones. --
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Sounds fun to me :) "If you're too careful, your whole life can become a f---in' grind." - Mike McD (Rounders)
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Rocky Moore wrote: just barely alive and it was making an awful noise I'm sorry to say it but you shoud have finished him as quickly as possible. A hunting dog is the best do the dirty job. Animals, IMO, were made by God to be at humans' disposal. I wouldn't mix the things up.
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phykell wrote: Do you like the fact that the animals suffer terribly just so you can enjoy the simple "taste" of meat? Do you think it's justified? don't really care to be honest know enough about the farming etc to know that they don't actually suffer much. The Culling process is very efficient as any farmer will tell you ...now...wheres my hamburger with bacon? Bryce --- To paraphrase Fred Dagg - the views expressed in this post are bloody good ones. --
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"don't really care to be honest" - Ah yes, the modern excuse for inaction. Why didn't you just say "meh". "know enough about the farming etc to know that they don't actually suffer much" - It depends on what you mean by "suffer much". I'll hazard a guess and say you know very little about it. Have you ever been in an abattoir? Have you not seen the way chickens are battery farmed? Have you not seen how veal is produced? Foie gras? Don't tell me the farming industry isn't cruel because it just doesn't wash. While Giles' farm may have the right approach, his is not in the majority by any means. "Oh, I'm sick of doing Japanese stuff! In jail we had to be in this dumb kabuki play about the 47 Ronin, and I wanted to be Oshi, but they made me Ori!"
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"don't really care to be honest" - Ah yes, the modern excuse for inaction. Why didn't you just say "meh". "know enough about the farming etc to know that they don't actually suffer much" - It depends on what you mean by "suffer much". I'll hazard a guess and say you know very little about it. Have you ever been in an abattoir? Have you not seen the way chickens are battery farmed? Have you not seen how veal is produced? Foie gras? Don't tell me the farming industry isn't cruel because it just doesn't wash. While Giles' farm may have the right approach, his is not in the majority by any means. "Oh, I'm sick of doing Japanese stuff! In jail we had to be in this dumb kabuki play about the 47 Ronin, and I wanted to be Oshi, but they made me Ori!"
phykell wrote: - Ah yes, the modern excuse for inaction. Why didn't you just say "meh". ok "meh" phykell wrote: ". I'll hazard a guess and say you know very little about it. guess again noddy phykell wrote: Don't tell me the farming industry isn't cruel because it just doesn't wash mate, i dont bloody care really couldn't give a monkeys and I'm not hyprocrit about it cheers Bryce --- To paraphrase Fred Dagg - the views expressed in this post are bloody good ones. --
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phykell wrote: - Ah yes, the modern excuse for inaction. Why didn't you just say "meh". ok "meh" phykell wrote: ". I'll hazard a guess and say you know very little about it. guess again noddy phykell wrote: Don't tell me the farming industry isn't cruel because it just doesn't wash mate, i dont bloody care really couldn't give a monkeys and I'm not hyprocrit about it cheers Bryce --- To paraphrase Fred Dagg - the views expressed in this post are bloody good ones. --
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"guess again noddy" OK, let's see. You actually do know all about it, but you just don't care. "mate, i dont bloody care really couldn't give a monkeys and I'm not hyprocrit about it cheers Bryce " Oh yes, now I get it. "Oh, I'm sick of doing Japanese stuff! In jail we had to be in this dumb kabuki play about the 47 Ronin, and I wanted to be Oshi, but they made me Ori!"
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First of all...where do you live...how did you get those killer guns (no pun intended)... Yer like Scarface..."Lemme show you ma' lil' friend" How do I print my voice mail?
I live in cold rainy Tiverton, South West England. Most parts you wont find in this country so I import them from East Asia, some other parts can be found with local gun or airsoft retailers, on eBay, public forums, word of mouth, etc.
David Wulff The Royal Woofle Museum
Everybody is entitled to my opinion