Chris's wealth :)
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> constantly telling my wife when she hits 38 I'll swap her for two 19 year > olds, but that doesn't mean I'd ever consider it. Wait till she's 39 before you say that you wouldn't consider it... :)
*grin* Is that the voice of experience ? She turned 30 the other day. I made a move on her that night and told her I wanted to know what's it's like to do an old chick. I slept in the spare room, but it was worth it... Christian As I learn the innermost secrets of the around me, they reward me in many ways to keep quiet. Men with pierced ears are better prepared for marriage. They've experienced pain and bought Jewellery.
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Now that we've done the wealth thing to death, how about a new poll - "How Big is Your Overdraft?" ;) I'll start the bidding at £1000....:confused: Andy Metcalfe - Sonardyne International Ltd
(andy.metcalfe@lineone.net)
http://www.resorg.co.uk"Be yourself, not what others want you to be."
I'm doing very well there actually. I've been a programmer professionally for nearly two years. When I started I kept my day job and programmed at nights. Yes, working 100 hour weeks and short changing myself 20 to make my time sheet look impressive to my future employer was heaps of fun, thanks for asking. But after years of poverty I paid off a lot of debt quickly. Now I have a $58,000 mortgage, an $11,000 car loan and am on the edge of paying off the last feww thousand on the last of my credit card consolidation loans. No other debts except a $500 credit card, which I let stay at the limit because $500 is nothing to pay off if I ever need to. I only have the card to fuel my FatBrain.com habit. Of course, now Donna is pregnant she wants a bigger house and bigger car, so maybe all my hard work has been in vain.... Christian As I learn the innermost secrets of the around me, they reward me in many ways to keep quiet. Men with pierced ears are better prepared for marriage. They've experienced pain and bought Jewellery.
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I'm doing very well there actually. I've been a programmer professionally for nearly two years. When I started I kept my day job and programmed at nights. Yes, working 100 hour weeks and short changing myself 20 to make my time sheet look impressive to my future employer was heaps of fun, thanks for asking. But after years of poverty I paid off a lot of debt quickly. Now I have a $58,000 mortgage, an $11,000 car loan and am on the edge of paying off the last feww thousand on the last of my credit card consolidation loans. No other debts except a $500 credit card, which I let stay at the limit because $500 is nothing to pay off if I ever need to. I only have the card to fuel my FatBrain.com habit. Of course, now Donna is pregnant she wants a bigger house and bigger car, so maybe all my hard work has been in vain.... Christian As I learn the innermost secrets of the around me, they reward me in many ways to keep quiet. Men with pierced ears are better prepared for marriage. They've experienced pain and bought Jewellery.
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With the value of the Australian peso being what it is your debt is slightly greater than mine, but try this on for size. Car is leased (before tax including running costs), live with my in-laws and continually go backwards from a financial point of view every month. This has been going on for 5 years, left my first job with a very large payout. Paid off debt and then got back into it, sold house, paid off debt got back into it. Left second job moderate pay out paid off some debt. My third job (current) is paying me nearly 3 times what my first was when I left and we still spend more. This is with a wife and two kids who are dependant. It's tragic that as a household (can't think of better term) this keeps happening, but until 'we' see what is going on it won't change. Michael Martin Pegasystems Pty Ltd Australia martm@pegasystems.com +61 413-004-018 "Don't belong. Never join. Think for yourself. Peace" - Victor Stone
I know where you're coming from, I really do. The sad thing is that so many people are stuck in this position. Something, somewhere is very wrong with our society. That's my opinion anyway. ;P Andy Metcalfe - Sonardyne International Ltd
(andy.metcalfe@lineone.net)
http://www.resorg.co.uk"Be yourself, not what others want you to be."
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I'm doing very well there actually. I've been a programmer professionally for nearly two years. When I started I kept my day job and programmed at nights. Yes, working 100 hour weeks and short changing myself 20 to make my time sheet look impressive to my future employer was heaps of fun, thanks for asking. But after years of poverty I paid off a lot of debt quickly. Now I have a $58,000 mortgage, an $11,000 car loan and am on the edge of paying off the last feww thousand on the last of my credit card consolidation loans. No other debts except a $500 credit card, which I let stay at the limit because $500 is nothing to pay off if I ever need to. I only have the card to fuel my FatBrain.com habit. Of course, now Donna is pregnant she wants a bigger house and bigger car, so maybe all my hard work has been in vain.... Christian As I learn the innermost secrets of the around me, they reward me in many ways to keep quiet. Men with pierced ears are better prepared for marriage. They've experienced pain and bought Jewellery.
Of course, now Donna is pregnant she wants a bigger house and bigger car, so maybe all my hard work has been in vain.... :) Let's talk about this again in 2 years after the kids show up. David
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Despite any high and mighty notions you might have about today's "modern male", we're all still driven by the same primal urges that have been around since the first man saw a naked woman bending over a creek to get a drink of water. Like it or not, we're all pretty much the same in that respect. If we still made a practice of dancing naked around a fire and bragging openly of our battle victories, hunting prowess, or our ability to shag any female within reach (or reasonable pursuit distance), I'm sure you'd be right there, waiting to take your turn at the "I'm a man and let me tell you why" boogie. How's that for open and honest?
Yada yada I am so sick of hearing the whole "while we consider ourselves modern we really are just a bunch of cells looking for another bunch of cells to inseminate and so continue our blood line and the species". If you were only allowed one thing about our basic drives then yes, too bloody right that is what it is about. But that is like saying "strip C++ bare and see what it is at is core, an archaic language, ignore the beauty of ATl/MFC and its power in the hands of a skilled programmer. Just bloody forget that and remember it is an old language. Therefore no hope, move on then, right, right". But we dont and we shouldnt do the same about us. We seem to have reached a stage in humanity where we can mix love and survival without dying off. Maybe that is what I am really talking about.. all this "damn I would like to bang Cindy Crawford" talk reviles me, it makes me feel damned cheap (just being around that talk) and makes the "object" of our lust even cheaper. As you have all said most of it is just stupid bravado meant to impress the next guy or be "part of the wannabe Cindy banging group". We already know that is false, yet we persist with it. Sex is sex. Pretty much a bunch of nerves yelling at our brain and our brain going "ooooh an orgasm, how nice". So to me sex is already dead in the water (there are enough kiddies running around that I don't have to add my two cents to continue the human race). Phuketing is way worse and not just pointless but damaging, it goes against everything that I believe in and like to think other educated men believe in. Making love (stop rolling your eyes and telling your mate how gay I am for saying that ;), that is a big part of our attitude problems) is part of what being a modern man is about. It is about having sex but being in love with that person. Not just thinking "phwoaarr great breasts" and hoping you can roll out of bed and get home before midnight leaving her alone. *sighs* go figure maybe I am just some feminine freak of a man but just banging some girl you hardly know, whether she looks like Cindy or not, just seems utterly pointless and unmeaningful to me. I wouldn't do it if I had the chance and love was not involved (with Cindy I mean). You get what I am trying to say? And I meant men in general, not just CP guys. *Cindy Crawfords name was the only one that popped into my mind, go figure regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass Cape Town, South Africa "We would accomplish many more things if we did not think of them as impos
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Yada yada I am so sick of hearing the whole "while we consider ourselves modern we really are just a bunch of cells looking for another bunch of cells to inseminate and so continue our blood line and the species". If you were only allowed one thing about our basic drives then yes, too bloody right that is what it is about. But that is like saying "strip C++ bare and see what it is at is core, an archaic language, ignore the beauty of ATl/MFC and its power in the hands of a skilled programmer. Just bloody forget that and remember it is an old language. Therefore no hope, move on then, right, right". But we dont and we shouldnt do the same about us. We seem to have reached a stage in humanity where we can mix love and survival without dying off. Maybe that is what I am really talking about.. all this "damn I would like to bang Cindy Crawford" talk reviles me, it makes me feel damned cheap (just being around that talk) and makes the "object" of our lust even cheaper. As you have all said most of it is just stupid bravado meant to impress the next guy or be "part of the wannabe Cindy banging group". We already know that is false, yet we persist with it. Sex is sex. Pretty much a bunch of nerves yelling at our brain and our brain going "ooooh an orgasm, how nice". So to me sex is already dead in the water (there are enough kiddies running around that I don't have to add my two cents to continue the human race). Phuketing is way worse and not just pointless but damaging, it goes against everything that I believe in and like to think other educated men believe in. Making love (stop rolling your eyes and telling your mate how gay I am for saying that ;), that is a big part of our attitude problems) is part of what being a modern man is about. It is about having sex but being in love with that person. Not just thinking "phwoaarr great breasts" and hoping you can roll out of bed and get home before midnight leaving her alone. *sighs* go figure maybe I am just some feminine freak of a man but just banging some girl you hardly know, whether she looks like Cindy or not, just seems utterly pointless and unmeaningful to me. I wouldn't do it if I had the chance and love was not involved (with Cindy I mean). You get what I am trying to say? And I meant men in general, not just CP guys. *Cindy Crawfords name was the only one that popped into my mind, go figure regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass Cape Town, South Africa "We would accomplish many more things if we did not think of them as impos
> "damn I would like to bang Cindy Crawford" talk reviles me I don't think anyone said they'd like to bang Cindy Crawford, but now that you've mentioned it, I'd like to treat Sandra Bullock to a healthy dose of love gravy. Hell, I even think I could fall in love with her if it was a requirement. > Making love (stop rolling your eyes and telling your mate how gay I am > for saying that We never said you were gay... > *sighs* go figure maybe I am just some feminine freak of a man but just > banging some girl you hardly know, whether she looks like Cindy or not, > just seems utterly pointless and unmeaningful to me. ... but then again... > I wouldn't do it if I had the chance and love was not involved (with > Cindy I mean). That pretty much cinches it... :) > You get what I am trying to say? Me take squaw, you take buffalo - good trade!
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Of course, now Donna is pregnant she wants a bigger house and bigger car, so maybe all my hard work has been in vain.... :) Let's talk about this again in 2 years after the kids show up. David
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Yada yada I am so sick of hearing the whole "while we consider ourselves modern we really are just a bunch of cells looking for another bunch of cells to inseminate and so continue our blood line and the species". If you were only allowed one thing about our basic drives then yes, too bloody right that is what it is about. But that is like saying "strip C++ bare and see what it is at is core, an archaic language, ignore the beauty of ATl/MFC and its power in the hands of a skilled programmer. Just bloody forget that and remember it is an old language. Therefore no hope, move on then, right, right". But we dont and we shouldnt do the same about us. We seem to have reached a stage in humanity where we can mix love and survival without dying off. Maybe that is what I am really talking about.. all this "damn I would like to bang Cindy Crawford" talk reviles me, it makes me feel damned cheap (just being around that talk) and makes the "object" of our lust even cheaper. As you have all said most of it is just stupid bravado meant to impress the next guy or be "part of the wannabe Cindy banging group". We already know that is false, yet we persist with it. Sex is sex. Pretty much a bunch of nerves yelling at our brain and our brain going "ooooh an orgasm, how nice". So to me sex is already dead in the water (there are enough kiddies running around that I don't have to add my two cents to continue the human race). Phuketing is way worse and not just pointless but damaging, it goes against everything that I believe in and like to think other educated men believe in. Making love (stop rolling your eyes and telling your mate how gay I am for saying that ;), that is a big part of our attitude problems) is part of what being a modern man is about. It is about having sex but being in love with that person. Not just thinking "phwoaarr great breasts" and hoping you can roll out of bed and get home before midnight leaving her alone. *sighs* go figure maybe I am just some feminine freak of a man but just banging some girl you hardly know, whether she looks like Cindy or not, just seems utterly pointless and unmeaningful to me. I wouldn't do it if I had the chance and love was not involved (with Cindy I mean). You get what I am trying to say? And I meant men in general, not just CP guys. *Cindy Crawfords name was the only one that popped into my mind, go figure regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass Cape Town, South Africa "We would accomplish many more things if we did not think of them as impos
I agree completely with what you have said, but it isn't quite as easy as you make it out to be. If you ever went to a college party in your youth then you would know that it is all too easy to start those 'meaningful' conversations that the chicks love, and then in turn it's very hard to refrain from the ensuing sex. With or without alcohol. Now I personally can count the girls I've slept with on one hand (hey, as I say, I'm still young), and out of them only two were part of a ongoing relationship. The others were all one night girls as a result of getting a little too chatty at parties. I fail to see what is wrong with that? Both parties knew that it was merely a simple 'borrowing' of the others body to releive the most basic of human urges. The fact that we both liked each other was probably not that important. My point is that in the twentyith century sex finally moved out of the realm of "only if your married" and into "it's okay to have fun with your body". If both parties have fun, what can possibly be wrong with it? Short of some religious arguments that I wont pay attention to. David Wulff dwulff@battleaxesoftware.com
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> "damn I would like to bang Cindy Crawford" talk reviles me I don't think anyone said they'd like to bang Cindy Crawford, but now that you've mentioned it, I'd like to treat Sandra Bullock to a healthy dose of love gravy. Hell, I even think I could fall in love with her if it was a requirement. > Making love (stop rolling your eyes and telling your mate how gay I am > for saying that We never said you were gay... > *sighs* go figure maybe I am just some feminine freak of a man but just > banging some girl you hardly know, whether she looks like Cindy or not, > just seems utterly pointless and unmeaningful to me. ... but then again... > I wouldn't do it if I had the chance and love was not involved (with > Cindy I mean). That pretty much cinches it... :) > You get what I am trying to say? Me take squaw, you take buffalo - good trade!
John, You really need to let your ego out a little more often - the little fella's starting to get too full of himself. And with all these constant b/j's, etc, how do you find time for you goats? Or have you really got no idea what the hell I was just talking about? We never said you were gay... That's the side effect of being an open guy (i.e. senstive and not afraid to show how you really feel). All the other blokes think your gay, even though they probably wish they could do so too. I am a fairly open guy in that respect, and I get treated differently by other guy's who don't really know me, because of it. It's like we're leppers or something :(. The good side effect is that the girls tend to love sensitive guys who aren't afraid of shoeing their feelings in front of their friends. David Wulff dwulff@battleaxesoftware.com
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Dave, it only takes nine months for the kids to show up. I think you're thinking about a rhinoceros...
Yeah, but your wife doesn't start demanding a bigger house until she's 6 months pregnant with the 2nd one. :) That's when the money really starts to pour out the door. David
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... and balls. Michael Martin Pegasystems Pty Ltd Australia martm@pegasystems.com +61 413-004-018 "Don't belong. Never join. Think for yourself. Peace" - Victor Stone
I'm just waiting for someone to be brave enough to reply to this one.:-D "I never met anyone I didn't like" Will Rogers.
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... and balls. Michael Martin Pegasystems Pty Ltd Australia martm@pegasystems.com +61 413-004-018 "Don't belong. Never join. Think for yourself. Peace" - Victor Stone
... and balls But my bitch doesn't have balls, and she's a dog. :cool: David Wulff dwulff@battleaxesoftware.com
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> Donna is pregnant she wants a bigger house and bigger car Two possible responses: 1) Does your wife know about Donna? 2) Bigger house and car goes with bigger wife
1/ Yes, she says it's one less menial job for her 2/ Even I'm not game to tell her that one !!! Christian As I learn the innermost secrets of the around me, they reward me in many ways to keep quiet. Men with pierced ears are better prepared for marriage. They've experienced pain and bought Jewellery.
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Of course, now Donna is pregnant she wants a bigger house and bigger car, so maybe all my hard work has been in vain.... :) Let's talk about this again in 2 years after the kids show up. David
This will be child number three - Hannah is five and Calvin is one. Christian As I learn the innermost secrets of the around me, they reward me in many ways to keep quiet. Men with pierced ears are better prepared for marriage. They've experienced pain and bought Jewellery.
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Dave, it only takes nine months for the kids to show up. I think you're thinking about a rhinoceros...
I'll show my wife this post - you're a dead man ;P Christian As I learn the innermost secrets of the around me, they reward me in many ways to keep quiet. Men with pierced ears are better prepared for marriage. They've experienced pain and bought Jewellery.
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John, You really need to let your ego out a little more often - the little fella's starting to get too full of himself. And with all these constant b/j's, etc, how do you find time for you goats? Or have you really got no idea what the hell I was just talking about? We never said you were gay... That's the side effect of being an open guy (i.e. senstive and not afraid to show how you really feel). All the other blokes think your gay, even though they probably wish they could do so too. I am a fairly open guy in that respect, and I get treated differently by other guy's who don't really know me, because of it. It's like we're leppers or something :(. The good side effect is that the girls tend to love sensitive guys who aren't afraid of shoeing their feelings in front of their friends. David Wulff dwulff@battleaxesoftware.com
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Dave, it only takes nine months for the kids to show up. I think you're thinking about a rhinoceros...
LOL! cheers, Chris Maunder (CodeProject)
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I agree completely with what you have said, but it isn't quite as easy as you make it out to be. If you ever went to a college party in your youth then you would know that it is all too easy to start those 'meaningful' conversations that the chicks love, and then in turn it's very hard to refrain from the ensuing sex. With or without alcohol. Now I personally can count the girls I've slept with on one hand (hey, as I say, I'm still young), and out of them only two were part of a ongoing relationship. The others were all one night girls as a result of getting a little too chatty at parties. I fail to see what is wrong with that? Both parties knew that it was merely a simple 'borrowing' of the others body to releive the most basic of human urges. The fact that we both liked each other was probably not that important. My point is that in the twentyith century sex finally moved out of the realm of "only if your married" and into "it's okay to have fun with your body". If both parties have fun, what can possibly be wrong with it? Short of some religious arguments that I wont pay attention to. David Wulff dwulff@battleaxesoftware.com
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Now I personally can count the girls I've slept with on one hand Hey - you can count to 32 on one hand if you use binary;) Steve T.
