Evolution
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I agree that to a large degree we have changed evolution by adjusting our environment to our needs rather than breeding to meet the environments requirements. But I doubt evolution has actually stopped. For one we are adapting to our own man made environments, like cities and underground tube networks. Certainly middle-ages man is not a perfect being for a city and so we are evolving away from that to better fit into our cities. The problem is that evolution takes tens of thousands of years, not the puny thousands that we have been around. So we will not notice any changes, but just because there are no noticeable changes does not mean it has stopped, right? I do not really know enough about evolution to base this on much though. On another point, maybe what is really "evolving" is our culture and knowledge. Maybe these evolutionary paths have overtaken the physical paths and become the more important ones. Sure this is not evolution as we know it but certainly and important aspect of it. But what advantage or trait, other than business sense or common sense, would make one person more likely to survive/breed than another? Well thanks to our culture certain genes, such as blonde hair, fair skin, athletic ability, "brain capacity" and all the other things that "the beautiful people" have are certainly traits that are favoured, traits that are more likely amongst 6billion to survive. All in all we need a good many, many more years before we can see whether evolution is really changing us. By that time though our technology will be crafting us into whatever the currently accepted flavour is. regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass Cape Town, South Africa "We would accomplish many more things if we did not think of them as impossible." - Chretien Malesherbes
But I doubt evolution has actually stopped. Well I actively evolving myself. I'm drinking lower quality beer due to price hikes and surviving. ;P Well thanks to our culture certain genes, such as blonde hair, fair skin, athletic ability, "brain capacity" and all the other things that "the beautiful people" have... I take it have dark hair and skin, get puffed out walking to the fridge and have a pointy head. :laugh: Michael Martin Pegasystems Pty Ltd Australia martm@pegasystems.com +61 413-004-018 "Don't belong. Never join. Think for yourself. Peace" - Victor Stone
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It won't happen over night, but it will happen. ;P From a shampoo commercial here in Australia. Michael Martin Pegasystems Pty Ltd Australia martm@pegasystems.com +61 413-004-018 "Don't belong. Never join. Think for yourself. Peace" - Victor Stone
Is this commercial about magical self-refilling bottles of shampoo? ;P Tomasz Sowinski -- http://www.shooltz.com
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It took me ages to claw back my credibility. You have/had credibility? :confused: Michael Martin Pegasystems Pty Ltd Australia martm@pegasystems.com +61 413-004-018 "Don't belong. Never join. Think for yourself. Peace" - Victor Stone
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Is this commercial about magical self-refilling bottles of shampoo? ;P Tomasz Sowinski -- http://www.shooltz.com
No it's about (I think) a shampoo that will fix your damaged hair. No matter how bad. Cheesy as hell, but something in the previous post reminded me of it. Michael Martin Pegasystems Pty Ltd Australia martm@pegasystems.com +61 413-004-018 "Don't belong. Never join. Think for yourself. Peace" - Victor Stone
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I read a really good novel on that subject a few months ago and (typically) I can't remember the name or author. DOH! :rolleyes: I'll see if I can find it tonight and I'll post the details. It's pretty thought provoking. I don't think that society as a whole is very accepting of anyone who differs from the "norm" (all you have to do is watch daytime TV to see that), so I'd guess the usual things would happen - persecution (in at least some parts of the world), media hounding, etc. etc. I wouldn't envy those involved, I know that much. :(( Andy Metcalfe - Sonardyne International Ltd
(andy.metcalfe@lineone.net)
http://www.resorg.co.uk"I'm just another 'S' bend in the internet. A ton of stuff goes through my system, and some of the hairer, stickier and lumpier stuff sticks." - Chris Maunder (I just couldn't let that one past ;))
Sounds like "Darwins Radio" by Greg Bear. Regards, Dave
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We are all entitled to our own beliefs and ideas. Frankly I am in awe of people who have faith because I find it very, nay VERY, difficult simply to believe in something without proof. Most of the time I atually wish I did have faith, life would be simpler. But as it were I find it a lot more odd to believe in the creation of beings from dust than from the eons long process of evolution. Bottom line though, the question of human origin pales in significance to the question of the universes origin... to my understanding of life we should not be here, nothing should be here. Not even nothing should exist. I want someone, one day to explain to me how out of nothing something came to be. The big bang is all well and nice (I believe in it) but what the hell started that? Other fun questions: - Were did God come from? - Were did whatever created God come from? - ad infinitum! (this series of questions got me thrown out of Sunday school :) ) One thing I do know: Any parent who tells their kids that either religion or evolution is right and the other is wrong needs a fat smack. Kids must make their own choice in the matter. No matter how hard you believe in something not even your kids are valid targets for "ideas down throat" behaviour. regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass Cape Town, South Africa "We would accomplish many more things if we did not think of them as impossible." - Chretien Malesherbes
I want someone, one day to explain to me how out of nothing something came to be. The big bang is all well and nice (I believe in it) but what the hell started that? OK - bring that case of beer you are gonna owe me round to my place one day and I'll go through it with you. I haven't done this stuff for 10 years, but if my creaky memory serves me well then there are a couple of things you need to warp your brain around: - there is no 'outside' of the universe. - there is no 'before' the big bang. The universe isn't a bubble within a big empty room. The universe is that big empty room, yet the room, and the space and time that make up that room are expanding constantly - each point moving away from every other point due to the initial expansion and inflation of the universe. Maybe you should bring a spare case of beer. Just in case. As to how the universe was created and where it's energy came from, the answer to both is 'nothing'. There is a continual quantum foam of particles and anti-particles being created and anihilated (which is what causes black holes to evaporate - bring some tequila for that little fireside chat). As long as the net energy balance is always 0 then Mother Nature turns a blind eye. One theory goes that the Big Bang was a total doozy of a quantum fluctuation, with the energy contained in matter being counter balanced by the negative energy in gravity. The cool part comes from a theory that there came into being a 'false vacuum' whereby a part of the infinitesimal quantum fluctuation had a positive energy density even though it was a vacuum. This false vacuum has very large, but very negative pressure. Pressure creates a gravitational field, so a large, negative pressure in an infinititely small volume creates a very large, repulsive gravitational field which causes the universe to inflate by a factor of 10^25. What's really, really cool is that even while the universe is inflating the energy density remains constant. Energy increases by the cube of the inflation rate (ie 10^75) and is balanced out by an ever increasing gravitational field (which has negative energy). The inflation slows, the universe cools, quarks, protons, electrons and atoms form and eventually coagulate together to form Paul Watson. Total energy = 0 => the ultimate free lunch. cheers, Chris Maunder (CodeProject)
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I want someone, one day to explain to me how out of nothing something came to be. The big bang is all well and nice (I believe in it) but what the hell started that? OK - bring that case of beer you are gonna owe me round to my place one day and I'll go through it with you. I haven't done this stuff for 10 years, but if my creaky memory serves me well then there are a couple of things you need to warp your brain around: - there is no 'outside' of the universe. - there is no 'before' the big bang. The universe isn't a bubble within a big empty room. The universe is that big empty room, yet the room, and the space and time that make up that room are expanding constantly - each point moving away from every other point due to the initial expansion and inflation of the universe. Maybe you should bring a spare case of beer. Just in case. As to how the universe was created and where it's energy came from, the answer to both is 'nothing'. There is a continual quantum foam of particles and anti-particles being created and anihilated (which is what causes black holes to evaporate - bring some tequila for that little fireside chat). As long as the net energy balance is always 0 then Mother Nature turns a blind eye. One theory goes that the Big Bang was a total doozy of a quantum fluctuation, with the energy contained in matter being counter balanced by the negative energy in gravity. The cool part comes from a theory that there came into being a 'false vacuum' whereby a part of the infinitesimal quantum fluctuation had a positive energy density even though it was a vacuum. This false vacuum has very large, but very negative pressure. Pressure creates a gravitational field, so a large, negative pressure in an infinititely small volume creates a very large, repulsive gravitational field which causes the universe to inflate by a factor of 10^25. What's really, really cool is that even while the universe is inflating the energy density remains constant. Energy increases by the cube of the inflation rate (ie 10^75) and is balanced out by an ever increasing gravitational field (which has negative energy). The inflation slows, the universe cools, quarks, protons, electrons and atoms form and eventually coagulate together to form Paul Watson. Total energy = 0 => the ultimate free lunch. cheers, Chris Maunder (CodeProject)
What about these hyperspace tunnels between separate universes? How do they fit into this picture? ;) Tomasz Sowinski -- http://www.shooltz.com
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At that point, I will glad to welcome the rest of humanity to my already god-like presence. Well God, I feel obliged to alert you to the fact your homepage has been hacked. They have inserted a picture of some dorky bloke in a cowboy hat. not very Godlike at all. :laugh: Michael Martin Pegasystems Pty Ltd Australia martm@pegasystems.com +61 413-004-018 "Don't belong. Never join. Think for yourself. Peace" - Victor Stone
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:laugh: hah, hah - hey guys we've a joker in our midst... ;P Norm Almond Chief Technical Architect FS Walker Hughes Limited
:laugh: hah, hah - hey guys we've a joker in our midst...;P Joker no, Bastard yes. :-D Michael Martin Pegasystems Pty Ltd Australia martm@pegasystems.com +61 413-004-018 "Don't belong. Never join. Think for yourself. Peace" - Victor Stone
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I don't have enough faith to believe in evolution, so I can't comment... I resisted the urge for months, but now must ask a contentious question. How do you explain the Dinosaurs, Primates and other prehistoric species that no longer exist? :confused: Michael Martin Pegasystems Pty Ltd Australia martm@pegasystems.com +61 413-004-018 "Don't belong. Never join. Think for yourself. Peace" - Victor Stone
Boy, I miss a day and look at the good discussions I get left out of... How do you explain the Dinosaurs, Primates and other prehistoric species that no longer exist? Um... They died? ;P A little more verbosely, the Bible teaches that God created the world somewhere around 6,000-7,000 years ago. During the week of creation, God created everything saving man and most of the dinosaurs we think of for the sixth day. Roughly 2000 years later, Noah and his family were the only humans who even gave God a second thought. In spite of 120 years of warnings from Noah, none of them changed their minds, and God sent a flood that killed every human that wasn't in the ark as well as lots of sea creatures and probably all of the land creatures that weren't in the ark. (That's why we have so many fossils.) At that point were down to just a few dinosaurs, 2 of each kind (where a kind isn't a species, but is classified as the group of animals or plants that can breed with each other). There is evidence that dinosaurs were around for a while after that too. Most countries have dinosaur legends (called dragons until one or two hundred years ago). And most of those legends have one thing in common -- heros killing dragons. Sounds like a good explanation to me. I'm not sure what you're referring to with the "primates and other prehistoric species", especially since the only true "pre-history" is the non-time before(?) God created the universe. John
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Why should I treat my home page any better than I treat humanity. :) To hell with those thin-skinned pillow-biters. - Me, 10/03/2001
Nice one. ;) Michael Martin Pegasystems Pty Ltd Australia martm@pegasystems.com +61 413-004-018 "Don't belong. Never join. Think for yourself. Peace" - Victor Stone
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I agree that to a large degree we have changed evolution by adjusting our environment to our needs rather than breeding to meet the environments requirements. But I doubt evolution has actually stopped. For one we are adapting to our own man made environments, like cities and underground tube networks. Certainly middle-ages man is not a perfect being for a city and so we are evolving away from that to better fit into our cities. The problem is that evolution takes tens of thousands of years, not the puny thousands that we have been around. So we will not notice any changes, but just because there are no noticeable changes does not mean it has stopped, right? I do not really know enough about evolution to base this on much though. On another point, maybe what is really "evolving" is our culture and knowledge. Maybe these evolutionary paths have overtaken the physical paths and become the more important ones. Sure this is not evolution as we know it but certainly and important aspect of it. But what advantage or trait, other than business sense or common sense, would make one person more likely to survive/breed than another? Well thanks to our culture certain genes, such as blonde hair, fair skin, athletic ability, "brain capacity" and all the other things that "the beautiful people" have are certainly traits that are favoured, traits that are more likely amongst 6billion to survive. All in all we need a good many, many more years before we can see whether evolution is really changing us. By that time though our technology will be crafting us into whatever the currently accepted flavour is. regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass Cape Town, South Africa "We would accomplish many more things if we did not think of them as impossible." - Chretien Malesherbes
When you say that evolution has not stopped, I have to ask when did it start? Can you point to even one example of an evolutionary chain where Chromosomes are added to a creature? Adaptation to environment is not evolution, Speciation is not evolution. There is clear cut evidence for both adaptation, and speciation in science. There have been repeatable experiments that prove that living things adapt and eventually break into species. However, there is not a single piece of physical evidence in which an animal or plant has jumped into, or formed an entirely new Genus, which would be required for 'evolution.' For example, all members of the Canis genus (wolves, dingos, dogs, etc.) all came from one breeding pair that survived the flood. Each of the species of Canis represents loss, not gain, of genetic material, and no Creationist will tell you that adaptation doesn't occur. It just not evolution. I grew up taking evolution as fact, however, finally placing evolution firmly back into the theory category has let me examine the evidence for what it is. One of the first things they teach a child in biology is that life comes from life, and that 19th century beliefs about toads forming from toadstools are superstition. Then along comes evolution, and they want you believe exactly that. That a non-living, but organic, soup of stuff suddenly created a self replicating DNA molecule more complex than anything mankind has ever come up with. It just doesn't follow. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for [the one in authority] does not bear the sword for nothing. He is God's servant, an agent of Wrath to bring punishment to the wrongdoer -- Romans 13:4
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1/ Considering they spent hundreds of millions of years on Earth compared to our few thousand, I have always wondered why they don't rate a mention. 2/ The skeletons look a little more complete than half a human skull and half a pig jaw to me. Though I can see the need to muddy the waters with the Bible being so Nostradamus like in it's inconsistencies and esoteric language (from multiple translations). Wouldn't it be against some ideal to be butchering our brethren in scientific tests. Unlike like vermin like rats and unclean animals like pigs? 3/ No, but what's God doing killing off his beautifully hand crafted animals? If he built them they must be perfect no need for improvement. --- Is SETI a waste of time? Alien's can't exist. God made Heaven and Earth and then populated it with people made in his own image. If he made other people on other planets why isn't it in the Bible? If Alien's exist and don't look like us, is that a proof that God can't exist? --- God was proactive in the Old Testament, pillars of salt and smiting abound. Now he's gone all passive, fuck bad people up real good and proper when the day of reckoning comes and all. But what's his master plan with the victims of rape and other atrocities that survive. Let them live with all the hate and fuck all they can do to fix it. Kill the perpetraor's and you have sinned, go to jail (gaol) and actually don't fix anything anyway. I know I am explaining the colour blue to the blind man. So think this rant will be my first and last religious post. I spent the first 10 years of my life believing in God. Went to Church and Sunday School, read the Bible (3 different versions) before the end of Primary school (12 years old). At the age of 9 I was sexually assaulted. Fucked me up, still all twisted. So earlier references are not blind rant for the arguement. Again, What is God's master plan for people like me? When do I get to feel all warm and gooey with the Father figure to look after me? Michael Martin Pegasystems Pty Ltd Australia martm@pegasystems.com +61 413-004-018 "Don't belong. Never join. Think for yourself. Peace" - Victor Stone
This is going to be a long post, and I'm putting it here because I really want to help you. Please don't get upset if something I wrote sounds diffent. :) 1/ Considering they spent hundreds of millions of years on Earth compared to our few thousand, I have always wondered why they don't rate a mention. They were mentioned. Check out Job 40:15 - 41:10. 2/ The skeletons look a little more complete than half a human skull and half a pig jaw to me. Though I can see the need to muddy the waters with the Bible being so Nostradamus like in it's inconsistencies and esoteric language (from multiple translations). Yeah, translations muddy things a bit. But, the Bible isn't the translations -- it is the originals that the translations are made from. No inconsistencies and esoteric language there, in fact it was written for common every day people. Wouldn't it be against some ideal to be butchering our brethren in scientific tests. Unlike like vermin like rats and unclean animals like pigs? The evolutionary thought would go that way. Biblical thought acknowlegdes that God banned the killing of animals for food until the Flood, then told Noah that He had given them the animals for food as well. If we can eat them, the logic is that we can use the in other ways to keep ourselve alive. However, we should never be cruel to them. Even the sacrificial ceremonies God set up were not cruel to the animal being sacrificed. 3/ No, but what's God doing killing off his beautifully hand crafted animals? If he built them they must be perfect no need for improvement. God isn't "killing off his beautifully hand crafted animals". Adam and Eve sinned, bringing death and decay into the world as a result. Now, no plants, humans, or animals are as good (maybe not even all that close) to what God created. We're all a bunch of mutant versions of the original, with information being lost, not gained. (Hence the problem with in-breeding, etc.) Is SETI a waste of time? Alien's can't exist. God made Heaven and Earth and then populated it with people made in his own image. If he made other people on other planets why isn't it in the Bible? If He did make other people on other planets, the Bible doesn't say anything that would cause us to have a problem with that. However, I tend to think that He did not, since the entire universe will be destroyed and a new one created when God finishes his dealings with people on earth. (2 Peter 3:9-18) (Those who love God will enjoy the
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what about DNA testing? do you believe DNA tests prove anything? if so, there's your link - DNA tests show how close we are to the other apes with far more accuracy than physiological comparisons. we use rats and pigs because it's cheaper to keep a 1 pound rat than a 70 pound chimp, plus rats and pigs breed faster and grow faster than apes. and... even though many people feel it would be unethical to experiment on apes, medical researchers still do a lot of tests on them. yes, many species have existed and died out. there is enough proof of that that denying it is a far greater leap of faith than believing it, in my opinion. "lesser" implies there is a direction or goal to evolution. there isn't. we're no better than any other creature, as far as evolution is concerned. things change, many critters die. the critters that don't die get to breed. end of story. -c ------------------------------ Smaller Animals Software, Inc. http://www.smalleranimals.com
what about DNA testing? do you believe DNA tests prove anything? if so, there's your link - DNA tests show how close we are to the other apes with far more accuracy than physiological comparisons. We don't know enough about DNA to "prove" that chimps and humans are close. What does "close" mean anyway? BTW, scientists are just learning that merely counting genes isn't enough to determine comparative complexity. Similar gene sequences arranged differently in humans are capable of producing 4 or 5 different proteins, whereas they produce only 1 or 2 in other animals. Until we get a good handle on all of that sort of thing, DNA comparisons between humans and animals aren't going to be useful for evolutionary evidence. Check out my post about the dinosaurs for a better understanding of why things dying out isn't a problem for those who believe the Bible. John
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Boy, I miss a day and look at the good discussions I get left out of... How do you explain the Dinosaurs, Primates and other prehistoric species that no longer exist? Um... They died? ;P A little more verbosely, the Bible teaches that God created the world somewhere around 6,000-7,000 years ago. During the week of creation, God created everything saving man and most of the dinosaurs we think of for the sixth day. Roughly 2000 years later, Noah and his family were the only humans who even gave God a second thought. In spite of 120 years of warnings from Noah, none of them changed their minds, and God sent a flood that killed every human that wasn't in the ark as well as lots of sea creatures and probably all of the land creatures that weren't in the ark. (That's why we have so many fossils.) At that point were down to just a few dinosaurs, 2 of each kind (where a kind isn't a species, but is classified as the group of animals or plants that can breed with each other). There is evidence that dinosaurs were around for a while after that too. Most countries have dinosaur legends (called dragons until one or two hundred years ago). And most of those legends have one thing in common -- heros killing dragons. Sounds like a good explanation to me. I'm not sure what you're referring to with the "primates and other prehistoric species", especially since the only true "pre-history" is the non-time before(?) God created the universe. John
Sooo ... let me get this straight. Earth is 6-7000 years old. Dinosaurs created after Earth therefore less than 7000 years ago, but their fossils are dated as hundreds of millions of years old. Australian Aborigines been here in Australia for longer than 40,000 years. Straight maths says this is either bullshit or written by people doing serious, serious drugs. Could be drugs ... sounds like you've had some yourself. Michael Martin Pegasystems Pty Ltd Australia martm@pegasystems.com +61 413-004-018 "Don't belong. Never join. Think for yourself. Peace" - Victor Stone
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We are all entitled to our own beliefs and ideas. Frankly I am in awe of people who have faith because I find it very, nay VERY, difficult simply to believe in something without proof. Most of the time I atually wish I did have faith, life would be simpler. But as it were I find it a lot more odd to believe in the creation of beings from dust than from the eons long process of evolution. Bottom line though, the question of human origin pales in significance to the question of the universes origin... to my understanding of life we should not be here, nothing should be here. Not even nothing should exist. I want someone, one day to explain to me how out of nothing something came to be. The big bang is all well and nice (I believe in it) but what the hell started that? Other fun questions: - Were did God come from? - Were did whatever created God come from? - ad infinitum! (this series of questions got me thrown out of Sunday school :) ) One thing I do know: Any parent who tells their kids that either religion or evolution is right and the other is wrong needs a fat smack. Kids must make their own choice in the matter. No matter how hard you believe in something not even your kids are valid targets for "ideas down throat" behaviour. regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass Cape Town, South Africa "We would accomplish many more things if we did not think of them as impossible." - Chretien Malesherbes
But as it were I find it a lot more odd to believe in the creation of beings from dust than from the eons long process of evolution. Actually, evolutionists believe that everything was formed from dust, too. They just speculate about a different form of "dust". (Dust being unorganized matter.) Other fun questions: - Were did God come from? - Were did whatever created God come from? - ad infinitum! (this series of questions got me thrown out of Sunday school ) Oooohhh... Some fun questions! It's too bad they kicked you out of Sunday School, not knowing the answers off the top of their head doesn't mean they should avoid the question. To answer the question... Check out my response to Chris below this post. :) John
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Sooo ... let me get this straight. Earth is 6-7000 years old. Dinosaurs created after Earth therefore less than 7000 years ago, but their fossils are dated as hundreds of millions of years old. Australian Aborigines been here in Australia for longer than 40,000 years. Straight maths says this is either bullshit or written by people doing serious, serious drugs. Could be drugs ... sounds like you've had some yourself. Michael Martin Pegasystems Pty Ltd Australia martm@pegasystems.com +61 413-004-018 "Don't belong. Never join. Think for yourself. Peace" - Victor Stone
You're wasting your time Mike. Relgious "believers" aren't intereseted in scientific facts or proof. The "great flood" was the result of severely unstable regional weather patterns and the collapse of a natural sea-wall that held back a larger body of water. Nothing magical, mysterious, or even devine about it. To hell with those thin-skinned pillow-biters. - Me, 10/03/2001
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Boy, I miss a day and look at the good discussions I get left out of... How do you explain the Dinosaurs, Primates and other prehistoric species that no longer exist? Um... They died? ;P A little more verbosely, the Bible teaches that God created the world somewhere around 6,000-7,000 years ago. During the week of creation, God created everything saving man and most of the dinosaurs we think of for the sixth day. Roughly 2000 years later, Noah and his family were the only humans who even gave God a second thought. In spite of 120 years of warnings from Noah, none of them changed their minds, and God sent a flood that killed every human that wasn't in the ark as well as lots of sea creatures and probably all of the land creatures that weren't in the ark. (That's why we have so many fossils.) At that point were down to just a few dinosaurs, 2 of each kind (where a kind isn't a species, but is classified as the group of animals or plants that can breed with each other). There is evidence that dinosaurs were around for a while after that too. Most countries have dinosaur legends (called dragons until one or two hundred years ago). And most of those legends have one thing in common -- heros killing dragons. Sounds like a good explanation to me. I'm not sure what you're referring to with the "primates and other prehistoric species", especially since the only true "pre-history" is the non-time before(?) God created the universe. John
Sounds like a good explanation to me. sounds like insanity to me. so if people write something down, it must be real - people wouldn't lie or make up stories to scare their children into not doing stupid stuff. what about griffons, harpies, centaurs, minotaurs, medusas, sea monsters, succubii, incubii, vampires, big foots, abominable snowmen, werewolves, toothfaries and chupacabras ? did noah have two of those on his raft too? why did god only pick on land animals? (or did he kill everything in the sea, too?) the only evidence for Noah and a 6000 year old earth is from folklore. the evidence against is everywhere. At that point were down to just a few dinosaurs, 2 of each kind (where a kind isn't a species, but is classified as the group of animals or plants that can breed with each other). species: (1) : a category of biological classification ranking immediately below the genus or subgenus, comprising related organisms or populations potentially capable of interbreeding -c ------------------------------ Smaller Animals Software, Inc. http://www.smalleranimals.com
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But as it were I find it a lot more odd to believe in the creation of beings from dust than from the eons long process of evolution. Actually, evolutionists believe that everything was formed from dust, too. They just speculate about a different form of "dust". (Dust being unorganized matter.) Other fun questions: - Were did God come from? - Were did whatever created God come from? - ad infinitum! (this series of questions got me thrown out of Sunday school ) Oooohhh... Some fun questions! It's too bad they kicked you out of Sunday School, not knowing the answers off the top of their head doesn't mean they should avoid the question. To answer the question... Check out my response to Chris below this post. :) John
Actually, evolutionists believe that everything was formed from dust, too. They just speculate about a different form of "dust". (Dust being unorganized matter.) Actually it was ooze, not dust ;P Also science has shown how ooze can transform into life, I have yet to see (or heard an explanation) someone transform a rib into a women (now THAT would be a good trick ;) ). Oooohhh... Some fun questions! It's too bad they kicked you out of Sunday School, not knowing the answers off the top of their head doesn't mean they should avoid the question. I doubt there are any answers to those questions in any religion. Once I figured out that no one knew the answer in my church I thought "Well then, what the hell am I doing believing in something that does not have even a basic answer to a basic question". regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass Cape Town, South Africa "We would accomplish many more things if we did not think of them as impossible." - Chretien Malesherbes
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You're wasting your time Mike. Relgious "believers" aren't intereseted in scientific facts or proof. The "great flood" was the result of severely unstable regional weather patterns and the collapse of a natural sea-wall that held back a larger body of water. Nothing magical, mysterious, or even devine about it. To hell with those thin-skinned pillow-biters. - Me, 10/03/2001
Did you watch that programme on TV as well? Bloody amazing I thought. Relgious "believers" aren't intereseted in scientific facts or proof Oh yes they are, but only when it proves their points. My favourite one was that some Christian scientists tried to recreate oil from bio-mass by mimicking conditions in a pressure tank. When they failed they declared this as proof that oil could not have been made naturally but only by God. hehe lovely stuff. regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass Cape Town, South Africa "We would accomplish many more things if we did not think of them as impossible." - Chretien Malesherbes
