Legal Drinking Age
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Just want someone to explain to me why you must be 21 in the US to drink alcohol. At 18 you can vote, go to war, get married and have children. I remember reading somewhere that you can drive a car when you are 15. I just don't get waiting til your 21. I was in the US when I was 30. I had to show ID at an Ice Hockey game before I was served beer and before I was allowed to enter Cheers. Both times I was and looked older than the monkeys requesting the ID. Was pissed off severely at the time but laugh about it now. OK, I'm just trying to kick off a long winded contraversial thread. ;P Michael Martin Pegasystems Pty Ltd Australia martm@pegasystems.com +61 413-004-018 "Don't belong. Never join. Think for yourself. Peace" - Victor Stone
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Just want someone to explain to me why you must be 21 in the US to drink alcohol. At 18 you can vote, go to war, get married and have children. I remember reading somewhere that you can drive a car when you are 15. I just don't get waiting til your 21. I was in the US when I was 30. I had to show ID at an Ice Hockey game before I was served beer and before I was allowed to enter Cheers. Both times I was and looked older than the monkeys requesting the ID. Was pissed off severely at the time but laugh about it now. OK, I'm just trying to kick off a long winded contraversial thread. ;P Michael Martin Pegasystems Pty Ltd Australia martm@pegasystems.com +61 413-004-018 "Don't belong. Never join. Think for yourself. Peace" - Victor Stone
This is easy to explain - a car load of fully armed 18 year old American males is obviously perfectly safe. Who could possibly disagree with that. However, a car load of drunk, fully armed 18 year old American males (often referred to as "a platoon of Marines") can be slightly dangerous - the relevant term here, I bleive, is "friendly fire". I hope that makes things clear. ----------------------- Reg : "Well, what Jesus blatantly fails to appreciate is that it's the meek who are the problem."
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Just want someone to explain to me why you must be 21 in the US to drink alcohol. At 18 you can vote, go to war, get married and have children. I remember reading somewhere that you can drive a car when you are 15. I just don't get waiting til your 21. I was in the US when I was 30. I had to show ID at an Ice Hockey game before I was served beer and before I was allowed to enter Cheers. Both times I was and looked older than the monkeys requesting the ID. Was pissed off severely at the time but laugh about it now. OK, I'm just trying to kick off a long winded contraversial thread. ;P Michael Martin Pegasystems Pty Ltd Australia martm@pegasystems.com +61 413-004-018 "Don't belong. Never join. Think for yourself. Peace" - Victor Stone
What, you expect our laws to actually make sense? ;) Actually, like a lot of things, it varies among states. For driving, in California you can get a learner's permit at 15.5 (which lets you drive as long as a licensed adult is in the car too) and a regular license at 16. I don't know if the drinking age is 21 everywhere; I've always lived in CA so never had occasion to find out. And just so I can relate the two topics, the legal definition of drunk varies among states too. In CA you're legally drunk if you have .08% blood alcohol content. In other states it's as high as .10% (which actually used to be CA's law until a few years ago). --Mike-- http://home.inreach.com/mdunn/ "The Earth is doomed." -- Rupert Giles :love: your :bob: with :vegemite: and :beer:
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This is easy to explain - a car load of fully armed 18 year old American males is obviously perfectly safe. Who could possibly disagree with that. However, a car load of drunk, fully armed 18 year old American males (often referred to as "a platoon of Marines") can be slightly dangerous - the relevant term here, I bleive, is "friendly fire". I hope that makes things clear. ----------------------- Reg : "Well, what Jesus blatantly fails to appreciate is that it's the meek who are the problem."
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Just want someone to explain to me why you must be 21 in the US to drink alcohol. At 18 you can vote, go to war, get married and have children. I remember reading somewhere that you can drive a car when you are 15. I just don't get waiting til your 21. I was in the US when I was 30. I had to show ID at an Ice Hockey game before I was served beer and before I was allowed to enter Cheers. Both times I was and looked older than the monkeys requesting the ID. Was pissed off severely at the time but laugh about it now. OK, I'm just trying to kick off a long winded contraversial thread. ;P Michael Martin Pegasystems Pty Ltd Australia martm@pegasystems.com +61 413-004-018 "Don't belong. Never join. Think for yourself. Peace" - Victor Stone
Yep, the drinking age sucks here in the US. But if you live near the Canadian or Mexican borders, it's not a problem at all. :) Regards, Alvaro
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Just want someone to explain to me why you must be 21 in the US to drink alcohol. At 18 you can vote, go to war, get married and have children. I remember reading somewhere that you can drive a car when you are 15. I just don't get waiting til your 21. I was in the US when I was 30. I had to show ID at an Ice Hockey game before I was served beer and before I was allowed to enter Cheers. Both times I was and looked older than the monkeys requesting the ID. Was pissed off severely at the time but laugh about it now. OK, I'm just trying to kick off a long winded contraversial thread. ;P Michael Martin Pegasystems Pty Ltd Australia martm@pegasystems.com +61 413-004-018 "Don't belong. Never join. Think for yourself. Peace" - Victor Stone
>>Ice Hockey It's just Hockey, not Ice Hockey. I'm not sure why it has become vogue in the US to call it Ice Hockey, maybe they are worried about confusing it with something else :confused: Oh, about the booze thing. In Ontario, Canada the legal age is 19, and in neighbouring Quebec, it's 18 (I know I spent a year of my life making the commute to buy beer). In the US I think almost everywhere the age is 21, and it's the law that you have to card if you think the person is <30. David http://www.dundas.com
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What, you expect our laws to actually make sense? ;) Actually, like a lot of things, it varies among states. For driving, in California you can get a learner's permit at 15.5 (which lets you drive as long as a licensed adult is in the car too) and a regular license at 16. I don't know if the drinking age is 21 everywhere; I've always lived in CA so never had occasion to find out. And just so I can relate the two topics, the legal definition of drunk varies among states too. In CA you're legally drunk if you have .08% blood alcohol content. In other states it's as high as .10% (which actually used to be CA's law until a few years ago). --Mike-- http://home.inreach.com/mdunn/ "The Earth is doomed." -- Rupert Giles :love: your :bob: with :vegemite: and :beer:
Kid that is 15-16 years of age is simply a bomb on the road. Ready to kill him/her self (which is less important)or somebody else. Who came upon that fantastic driving age idea? Dejan, Melbourne
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Just want someone to explain to me why you must be 21 in the US to drink alcohol. At 18 you can vote, go to war, get married and have children. I remember reading somewhere that you can drive a car when you are 15. I just don't get waiting til your 21. I was in the US when I was 30. I had to show ID at an Ice Hockey game before I was served beer and before I was allowed to enter Cheers. Both times I was and looked older than the monkeys requesting the ID. Was pissed off severely at the time but laugh about it now. OK, I'm just trying to kick off a long winded contraversial thread. ;P Michael Martin Pegasystems Pty Ltd Australia martm@pegasystems.com +61 413-004-018 "Don't belong. Never join. Think for yourself. Peace" - Victor Stone
. OK, I'm just trying to kick off a long winded contraversial thread. Thats nice of you, in NZ you can get your licence at 15 I find 21 a bit old to start entering bars, But remember the USA managed to have prohibition for about 10yrs Which is an utterly amazing fact I've found Americans to be "sensible drinkers" eg. they don't go out and binge like Kiwi's Aussies and Germans.(and some Poms) I remember as a young bloke have a puke on the hill at the SCG, "Now you wouldn't do that at a Ice Hockey or Baseball game in the states. Also false ID's seem to be big in the USA with many young folk carrying them which just makes a mockery of the law.
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>>Ice Hockey It's just Hockey, not Ice Hockey. I'm not sure why it has become vogue in the US to call it Ice Hockey, maybe they are worried about confusing it with something else :confused: Oh, about the booze thing. In Ontario, Canada the legal age is 19, and in neighbouring Quebec, it's 18 (I know I spent a year of my life making the commute to buy beer). In the US I think almost everywhere the age is 21, and it's the law that you have to card if you think the person is <30. David http://www.dundas.com
It's just Hockey, not Ice Hockey. No, Hockey is played on grass with a ball. ...it's the law that you have to card if you think the person is <30. What a fucking joke. From 21 to 30 I looked radically different. Not a line to be seen at 21, more like a fingerprint by 30. Shit I was getting in to nightclubs at 16. Funny how I looked old to these types of idiots when I was young and young when I was old. Michael Martin Pegasystems Pty Ltd Australia martm@pegasystems.com +61 413-004-018 "Don't belong. Never join. Think for yourself. Peace" - Victor Stone
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. OK, I'm just trying to kick off a long winded contraversial thread. Thats nice of you, in NZ you can get your licence at 15 I find 21 a bit old to start entering bars, But remember the USA managed to have prohibition for about 10yrs Which is an utterly amazing fact I've found Americans to be "sensible drinkers" eg. they don't go out and binge like Kiwi's Aussies and Germans.(and some Poms) I remember as a young bloke have a puke on the hill at the SCG, "Now you wouldn't do that at a Ice Hockey or Baseball game in the states. Also false ID's seem to be big in the USA with many young folk carrying them which just makes a mockery of the law.
I've found Americans to be "sensible drinkers" eg. they don't go out and binge like Kiwi's Aussies and Germans.(and some Poms) Must be something to do with this Political Correctness people speak of. :-D Michael Martin Pegasystems Pty Ltd Australia martm@pegasystems.com +61 413-004-018 "Don't belong. Never join. Think for yourself. Peace" - Victor Stone
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What, you expect our laws to actually make sense? ;) Actually, like a lot of things, it varies among states. For driving, in California you can get a learner's permit at 15.5 (which lets you drive as long as a licensed adult is in the car too) and a regular license at 16. I don't know if the drinking age is 21 everywhere; I've always lived in CA so never had occasion to find out. And just so I can relate the two topics, the legal definition of drunk varies among states too. In CA you're legally drunk if you have .08% blood alcohol content. In other states it's as high as .10% (which actually used to be CA's law until a few years ago). --Mike-- http://home.inreach.com/mdunn/ "The Earth is doomed." -- Rupert Giles :love: your :bob: with :vegemite: and :beer:
The legal definition of drunk varies among states too. In CA you're legally drunk if you have .08% blood alcohol content. In other states it's as high as .10% Hmm - in Oz the definition of too drunk to drive is a BOL of 0.05%. The legal definition of just plain too drunk is (if I remember my law correctly) not remembering to unzip before you take a wizz. cheers, Chris Maunder (CodeProject)
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Yep, the drinking age sucks here in the US. But if you live near the Canadian or Mexican borders, it's not a problem at all. :) Regards, Alvaro
Do you mean for a quick trip over the border for a drink or to stock up on supplies? I remember a colleague was over here from Arizona. He had a story of him and his mates coming back from Mexico stocked up with alcohol. The border patrol made him tip all the alcohol down the drain. If this was the case I would go for the weekend get shitfaced and then come back in time for schol/work. Michael Martin Pegasystems Pty Ltd Australia martm@pegasystems.com +61 413-004-018 "Don't belong. Never join. Think for yourself. Peace" - Victor Stone
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It's just Hockey, not Ice Hockey. No, Hockey is played on grass with a ball. ...it's the law that you have to card if you think the person is <30. What a fucking joke. From 21 to 30 I looked radically different. Not a line to be seen at 21, more like a fingerprint by 30. Shit I was getting in to nightclubs at 16. Funny how I looked old to these types of idiots when I was young and young when I was old. Michael Martin Pegasystems Pty Ltd Australia martm@pegasystems.com +61 413-004-018 "Don't belong. Never join. Think for yourself. Peace" - Victor Stone
No, Hockey is played on grass with a ball. No, it's not. There are maybe 13 people in the World who watch field hockey, or floor hockey for that matter, and a hundred million who watch Hockey I'm afraid that whatever your sensiblities, the battle for the default definition has long been decided. I made it into the Hayloft, a rather run-down country-and-western bar in my childhood hometown at 14. For a while I was pretty impressed with myself, but decided later the place was such a dive they just wanted the $2 I paid for the beer :) I'm having trouble figuring out why you're so wound up about it. Coming from a country with 30 Million people I was surprised at first at the lengths the US go to cover situations that could potentially result in legal liability. Waivers and disclaimers for everything. It has always amazed me that the US consumer is not expected to have any responsiblity. Spill a cup of coffee on yourself for example in Canada and you go to the bathroom and clean yourself up, and swear at yourself for being so careless. Do that in the US and you sue McDonalds for $1.8M and win. Ridiculous. I'm sure the over-the-top approach to the drinking age is a similar thing. I had a long talk with an officer in the US navy after I had to sign a waiver to walk through a WWII submarine in Hawaii. He said that he felt it was simply the result of having a capitalist population of 300 Million people. In other words a population size thing (where people become disconnected from one another enough that the sense of personal connection begins to erode) David http://www.dundas.com
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I've found Americans to be "sensible drinkers" eg. they don't go out and binge like Kiwi's Aussies and Germans.(and some Poms) Must be something to do with this Political Correctness people speak of. :-D Michael Martin Pegasystems Pty Ltd Australia martm@pegasystems.com +61 413-004-018 "Don't belong. Never join. Think for yourself. Peace" - Victor Stone
Political Correctness sucks big time but I don't think it has anything to do with drinking habits, PC sux Why can't you just call a Queer a queer and a Black a Black, And having to call ladies "women" is stupid. I don't believe in discriminating but having to modify your lingo so you won't culturally offend somebody is ridiculous.
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It's just Hockey, not Ice Hockey. No, Hockey is played on grass with a ball. ...it's the law that you have to card if you think the person is <30. What a fucking joke. From 21 to 30 I looked radically different. Not a line to be seen at 21, more like a fingerprint by 30. Shit I was getting in to nightclubs at 16. Funny how I looked old to these types of idiots when I was young and young when I was old. Michael Martin Pegasystems Pty Ltd Australia martm@pegasystems.com +61 413-004-018 "Don't belong. Never join. Think for yourself. Peace" - Victor Stone
If I recall correctly, in Georgia they have to card you regardless of what you look like. So my mother would get carded, even though she's 47. Jon Sagara Sagara Software
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The legal definition of drunk varies among states too. In CA you're legally drunk if you have .08% blood alcohol content. In other states it's as high as .10% Hmm - in Oz the definition of too drunk to drive is a BOL of 0.05%. The legal definition of just plain too drunk is (if I remember my law correctly) not remembering to unzip before you take a wizz. cheers, Chris Maunder (CodeProject)
I thought too drunk was when you had to hug the ground to keep from falling over. ;) Michael Martin Pegasystems Pty Ltd Australia martm@pegasystems.com +61 413-004-018 "Don't belong. Never join. Think for yourself. Peace" - Victor Stone
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Just want someone to explain to me why you must be 21 in the US to drink alcohol. At 18 you can vote, go to war, get married and have children. I remember reading somewhere that you can drive a car when you are 15. I just don't get waiting til your 21. I was in the US when I was 30. I had to show ID at an Ice Hockey game before I was served beer and before I was allowed to enter Cheers. Both times I was and looked older than the monkeys requesting the ID. Was pissed off severely at the time but laugh about it now. OK, I'm just trying to kick off a long winded contraversial thread. ;P Michael Martin Pegasystems Pty Ltd Australia martm@pegasystems.com +61 413-004-018 "Don't belong. Never join. Think for yourself. Peace" - Victor Stone
Check this out: http://www.ama-assn.org/special/aos/alcohol1/research/21year.htm Jon Sagara Sagara Software
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I thought too drunk was when you had to hug the ground to keep from falling over. ;) Michael Martin Pegasystems Pty Ltd Australia martm@pegasystems.com +61 413-004-018 "Don't belong. Never join. Think for yourself. Peace" - Victor Stone
I thought too drunk was when you had to hug the ground to keep from falling over. LOL LOL I hate it when everything is spinning.
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No, Hockey is played on grass with a ball. No, it's not. There are maybe 13 people in the World who watch field hockey, or floor hockey for that matter, and a hundred million who watch Hockey I'm afraid that whatever your sensiblities, the battle for the default definition has long been decided. I made it into the Hayloft, a rather run-down country-and-western bar in my childhood hometown at 14. For a while I was pretty impressed with myself, but decided later the place was such a dive they just wanted the $2 I paid for the beer :) I'm having trouble figuring out why you're so wound up about it. Coming from a country with 30 Million people I was surprised at first at the lengths the US go to cover situations that could potentially result in legal liability. Waivers and disclaimers for everything. It has always amazed me that the US consumer is not expected to have any responsiblity. Spill a cup of coffee on yourself for example in Canada and you go to the bathroom and clean yourself up, and swear at yourself for being so careless. Do that in the US and you sue McDonalds for $1.8M and win. Ridiculous. I'm sure the over-the-top approach to the drinking age is a similar thing. I had a long talk with an officer in the US navy after I had to sign a waiver to walk through a WWII submarine in Hawaii. He said that he felt it was simply the result of having a capitalist population of 300 Million people. In other words a population size thing (where people become disconnected from one another enough that the sense of personal connection begins to erode) David http://www.dundas.com
I'm having trouble figuring out why you're so wound up about it. I'm not wound up about anything. David Wulff is closing in on me and I needed something to make multiple posts too. I thought it might be a topic that could run wild for a bit. All the good long threads always run while I'm asleep here in Australia or on the weekend when I'm out having a life. Just look at the last few days for an example. Plus I still don't get waiting till your 21. Next people will tell me that in the US you have to be married before you can have root. Just in case you get pregnant, you know, the whole consumer not having responsibility thing and all. Shit, how come we have failed to get gotten into the conversation even though we are about 6 layers deep in this post/response thing. :-D Michael Martin Pegasystems Pty Ltd Australia martm@pegasystems.com +61 413-004-018 "Don't belong. Never join. Think for yourself. Peace" - Victor Stone
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Political Correctness sucks big time but I don't think it has anything to do with drinking habits, PC sux Why can't you just call a Queer a queer and a Black a Black, And having to call ladies "women" is stupid. I don't believe in discriminating but having to modify your lingo so you won't culturally offend somebody is ridiculous.
That's right you fucking Kiwi sheep lover. :-D Michael Martin Pegasystems Pty Ltd Australia martm@pegasystems.com +61 413-004-018 "Don't belong. Never join. Think for yourself. Peace" - Victor Stone