More violence on US TV.
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ABC (one of the "big three" main networks) is showing Saving Private Ryan unedited tonight. So yes, the folks in power consider guys getting limbs blown off OK to air on broadcast TV. X| --Mike-- http://home.inreach.com/mdunn/ #include "witty_sig.h" :love: your :bob: with :vegemite: and :beer:
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ABC (one of the "big three" main networks) is showing Saving Private Ryan unedited tonight. So yes, the folks in power consider guys getting limbs blown off OK to air on broadcast TV. X| --Mike-- http://home.inreach.com/mdunn/ #include "witty_sig.h" :love: your :bob: with :vegemite: and :beer:
Kill your television! Josh Knox Josh@that-guy.net
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ABC (one of the "big three" main networks) is showing Saving Private Ryan unedited tonight. So yes, the folks in power consider guys getting limbs blown off OK to air on broadcast TV. X| --Mike-- http://home.inreach.com/mdunn/ #include "witty_sig.h" :love: your :bob: with :vegemite: and :beer:
It always amazes me that on the one hand the US is far more liberal than Australia at least when it comes to hard core porn, and yet is so damn prudish over movies. Does anything other than Disney get less than a R rating over there ? Most R movies come here and get extra scenes AND M/MA rating. I don't see why there would be a problem with Private Ryan being played in the evening, when kids should be in bed, and adults can decide for themselves if they want to watch a realistic portrayal of life as a solier during WWII. Christian After all, there's nothing wrong with an elite as long as I'm allowed to be part of it!! - Mike Burston Oct 23, 2001
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It always amazes me that on the one hand the US is far more liberal than Australia at least when it comes to hard core porn, and yet is so damn prudish over movies. Does anything other than Disney get less than a R rating over there ? Most R movies come here and get extra scenes AND M/MA rating. I don't see why there would be a problem with Private Ryan being played in the evening, when kids should be in bed, and adults can decide for themselves if they want to watch a realistic portrayal of life as a solier during WWII. Christian After all, there's nothing wrong with an elite as long as I'm allowed to be part of it!! - Mike Burston Oct 23, 2001
Just thought I'd point out that the US R Rating is equivalent to our MA rating... Our R Rating is equivalent to the US NC17 rating.... Private Ryan sure is violent but it in no way glorifies that violence in the manner of most US movies... ir Lethal Weapon, Die Hard etc etc:-D Senior Test Engineer GLI Australia www.gli.com.au
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It always amazes me that on the one hand the US is far more liberal than Australia at least when it comes to hard core porn, and yet is so damn prudish over movies. Does anything other than Disney get less than a R rating over there ? Most R movies come here and get extra scenes AND M/MA rating. I don't see why there would be a problem with Private Ryan being played in the evening, when kids should be in bed, and adults can decide for themselves if they want to watch a realistic portrayal of life as a solier during WWII. Christian After all, there's nothing wrong with an elite as long as I'm allowed to be part of it!! - Mike Burston Oct 23, 2001
I don't see why there would be a problem with Private Ryan being played in the evening, when kids should be in bed Well, it's airing at 8 PM (or 7 PM in some time zones). Usually programs for adults only (e.g. NYPD Blue) are relegated to the 10/9 PM time slot. My point was to show again how f'ed up we are in how we show all kinds of violence on TV, then wonder why kids are hurting and shooting each other in school. Most everything that isn't strictly kids stuff gets an R rating these days (R = under 17 allowed but only with an adult). Ryan even got an R which is utterly ludicrous. No mainstream film gets an NC-17 (no one under 17 allowed at all) because theater owners still equate that rating (formerly called X) with porn and won't show any NC-17 film. If a film gets an NC-17, the studio will cut scenes until the ratings board says it's an R. There are rare exceptions (Clerks [which BTW had no sex or violence, just profanity] first got an NC-17 then it was changed to an R, with no cuts made). On the other hand, the trend now is to make a film, cut some of the sex to make it an R, then put the cut scenes back in the DVD release. (See American Pie.) --Mike-- http://home.inreach.com/mdunn/ #include "witty_sig.h" :love: your :bob: with :vegemite: and :beer:
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I don't see why there would be a problem with Private Ryan being played in the evening, when kids should be in bed Well, it's airing at 8 PM (or 7 PM in some time zones). Usually programs for adults only (e.g. NYPD Blue) are relegated to the 10/9 PM time slot. My point was to show again how f'ed up we are in how we show all kinds of violence on TV, then wonder why kids are hurting and shooting each other in school. Most everything that isn't strictly kids stuff gets an R rating these days (R = under 17 allowed but only with an adult). Ryan even got an R which is utterly ludicrous. No mainstream film gets an NC-17 (no one under 17 allowed at all) because theater owners still equate that rating (formerly called X) with porn and won't show any NC-17 film. If a film gets an NC-17, the studio will cut scenes until the ratings board says it's an R. There are rare exceptions (Clerks [which BTW had no sex or violence, just profanity] first got an NC-17 then it was changed to an R, with no cuts made). On the other hand, the trend now is to make a film, cut some of the sex to make it an R, then put the cut scenes back in the DVD release. (See American Pie.) --Mike-- http://home.inreach.com/mdunn/ #include "witty_sig.h" :love: your :bob: with :vegemite: and :beer:
I'm not sure how much violence in real life is really caused by violence on TV or in the movies. There was plenty of violence before TV became widespread. For example, the Nazi SS concentration camp guards did not grow up on violent TV. Neither did the soldiers who ran Stalin's gulags or who carried out Mao Tse Tung's cultural revolution and "great leap forward". Those 3 groups are responsible for the murder of over 100 million people, all committed be people who did not grow up watching violence on TV. "What would this country be without this great land of our?" -Ronald Reagan
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I don't see why there would be a problem with Private Ryan being played in the evening, when kids should be in bed Well, it's airing at 8 PM (or 7 PM in some time zones). Usually programs for adults only (e.g. NYPD Blue) are relegated to the 10/9 PM time slot. My point was to show again how f'ed up we are in how we show all kinds of violence on TV, then wonder why kids are hurting and shooting each other in school. Most everything that isn't strictly kids stuff gets an R rating these days (R = under 17 allowed but only with an adult). Ryan even got an R which is utterly ludicrous. No mainstream film gets an NC-17 (no one under 17 allowed at all) because theater owners still equate that rating (formerly called X) with porn and won't show any NC-17 film. If a film gets an NC-17, the studio will cut scenes until the ratings board says it's an R. There are rare exceptions (Clerks [which BTW had no sex or violence, just profanity] first got an NC-17 then it was changed to an R, with no cuts made). On the other hand, the trend now is to make a film, cut some of the sex to make it an R, then put the cut scenes back in the DVD release. (See American Pie.) --Mike-- http://home.inreach.com/mdunn/ #include "witty_sig.h" :love: your :bob: with :vegemite: and :beer:
Well, it's airing at 8 PM (or 7 PM in some time zones). Usually programs for s only (e.g. NYPD Blue) are relegated to the 10/9 PM time slot. My point was to show again how f'ed up we are in how we show all kinds of on TV, then wonder why kids are hurting and shooting each other in school. Agreed Mike. There's way more violence in TV today than there should be. But in this case, I think people should sit through Private Ryan for education more than anything. While the story is fiction, the content is close to (if not) accurate. It's a documentary of the hell these men went through. IMO, its humbling to think that many of these guys were drafted and suddenly they're dumped on Omaha Beach dodging bullets. Granted, everybody's different and discern things they see or hear differently. But I'd tend to think that the majority of people who'd see P.R. would be more respectful or patient of that old man in the hat driving 20mph in a 45. ;) Just a veteran's $.02. Matt
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I'm not sure how much violence in real life is really caused by violence on TV or in the movies. There was plenty of violence before TV became widespread. For example, the Nazi SS concentration camp guards did not grow up on violent TV. Neither did the soldiers who ran Stalin's gulags or who carried out Mao Tse Tung's cultural revolution and "great leap forward". Those 3 groups are responsible for the murder of over 100 million people, all committed be people who did not grow up watching violence on TV. "What would this country be without this great land of our?" -Ronald Reagan
Oh give me a break. Usually it takes a good 15 posts in an Internet Debate for someone to bring up Nazis. sheesh. :rolleyes: --Mike-- http://home.inreach.com/mdunn/ #include "witty_sig.h" :love: your :bob: with :vegemite: and :beer:
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I don't see why there would be a problem with Private Ryan being played in the evening, when kids should be in bed Well, it's airing at 8 PM (or 7 PM in some time zones). Usually programs for adults only (e.g. NYPD Blue) are relegated to the 10/9 PM time slot. My point was to show again how f'ed up we are in how we show all kinds of violence on TV, then wonder why kids are hurting and shooting each other in school. Most everything that isn't strictly kids stuff gets an R rating these days (R = under 17 allowed but only with an adult). Ryan even got an R which is utterly ludicrous. No mainstream film gets an NC-17 (no one under 17 allowed at all) because theater owners still equate that rating (formerly called X) with porn and won't show any NC-17 film. If a film gets an NC-17, the studio will cut scenes until the ratings board says it's an R. There are rare exceptions (Clerks [which BTW had no sex or violence, just profanity] first got an NC-17 then it was changed to an R, with no cuts made). On the other hand, the trend now is to make a film, cut some of the sex to make it an R, then put the cut scenes back in the DVD release. (See American Pie.) --Mike-- http://home.inreach.com/mdunn/ #include "witty_sig.h" :love: your :bob: with :vegemite: and :beer:
Well, it's airing at 8 PM (or 7 PM in some time zones). Usually programs for adults only (e.g. NYPD Blue) are relegated to the 10/9 PM time slot. My point was to show again how f'ed up we are in how we show all kinds of violence on TV, then wonder why kids are hurting and shooting each other in school. 1/ What time do you people let your kids stay up until ? Even so, my daughter doesn't get to watch anything just because she's awake. I won't even let her watch 'The Simpsons'. 2/ We have as much violence on TV and no school shootings EVER. Most everything that isn't strictly kids stuff gets an R rating these days (R = under 17 allowed but only with an adult). Ryan even got an R which is utterly ludicrous. No mainstream film gets an NC-17 (no one under 17 allowed at all) because theater owners still equate that rating (formerly called X) with porn and won't show any NC-17 film. If a film gets an NC-17, the studio will cut scenes until the ratings board says it's an R. There are rare exceptions (Clerks [which BTW had no sex or violence, just profanity] first got an NC-17 then it was changed to an R, with no cuts made). On the other hand, the trend now is to make a film, cut some of the sex to make it an R, then put the cut scenes back in the DVD release. (See American Pie.) They do that with DVD's here too. Christian After all, there's nothing wrong with an elite as long as I'm allowed to be part of it!! - Mike Burston Oct 23, 2001
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I'm not sure how much violence in real life is really caused by violence on TV or in the movies. There was plenty of violence before TV became widespread. For example, the Nazi SS concentration camp guards did not grow up on violent TV. Neither did the soldiers who ran Stalin's gulags or who carried out Mao Tse Tung's cultural revolution and "great leap forward". Those 3 groups are responsible for the murder of over 100 million people, all committed be people who did not grow up watching violence on TV. "What would this country be without this great land of our?" -Ronald Reagan
That is the stupidest non-point you could make. No-one said ONLY TV violence causes violence, it's obvious if violence were impossible without violent TV, there'd be no-where for the first violent TV show to come from. I do believe that TV violence helps desensitise us to violence in general, but easy availability of guns and general slackness of parents are surely much bigger factors in school shootings, as a for instance. Christian After all, there's nothing wrong with an elite as long as I'm allowed to be part of it!! - Mike Burston Oct 23, 2001
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Well, it's airing at 8 PM (or 7 PM in some time zones). Usually programs for adults only (e.g. NYPD Blue) are relegated to the 10/9 PM time slot. My point was to show again how f'ed up we are in how we show all kinds of violence on TV, then wonder why kids are hurting and shooting each other in school. 1/ What time do you people let your kids stay up until ? Even so, my daughter doesn't get to watch anything just because she's awake. I won't even let her watch 'The Simpsons'. 2/ We have as much violence on TV and no school shootings EVER. Most everything that isn't strictly kids stuff gets an R rating these days (R = under 17 allowed but only with an adult). Ryan even got an R which is utterly ludicrous. No mainstream film gets an NC-17 (no one under 17 allowed at all) because theater owners still equate that rating (formerly called X) with porn and won't show any NC-17 film. If a film gets an NC-17, the studio will cut scenes until the ratings board says it's an R. There are rare exceptions (Clerks [which BTW had no sex or violence, just profanity] first got an NC-17 then it was changed to an R, with no cuts made). On the other hand, the trend now is to make a film, cut some of the sex to make it an R, then put the cut scenes back in the DVD release. (See American Pie.) They do that with DVD's here too. Christian After all, there's nothing wrong with an elite as long as I'm allowed to be part of it!! - Mike Burston Oct 23, 2001
1/ What time do you people let your kids stay up until ? Even so, my daughter doesn't get to watch anything just because she's awake. Exactly right. Everyone blames the violence on the TV programme but what about the parents who simply allow their kids to do what they want and watch what they want. Parents are supposed to educate and bring their kids up, not just feed and clothe them. I won't even let her watch 'The Simpsons'. Just curious but why? Would you let them watch Futurama? regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass Cape Town, South Africa Do you Sonork? I do! 100.9903 Stormfront "The greatest thing you will ever learn is to love, and be loved in return" - Moulin Rouge
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1/ What time do you people let your kids stay up until ? Even so, my daughter doesn't get to watch anything just because she's awake. Exactly right. Everyone blames the violence on the TV programme but what about the parents who simply allow their kids to do what they want and watch what they want. Parents are supposed to educate and bring their kids up, not just feed and clothe them. I won't even let her watch 'The Simpsons'. Just curious but why? Would you let them watch Futurama? regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass Cape Town, South Africa Do you Sonork? I do! 100.9903 Stormfront "The greatest thing you will ever learn is to love, and be loved in return" - Moulin Rouge
1/ What time do you people let your kids stay up until ? Even so, my daughter doesn't get to watch anything just because she's awake. Exactly right. Everyone blames the violence on the TV programme but what about the parents who simply allow their kids to do what they want and watch what they want. Parents are supposed to educate and bring their kids up, not just feed and clothe them. I couldn't agree with you more. I think people should be neutered at birth and PROVE they should have the right to breed. Right now, it's the people with the least to offer the gene pool who keep popping out kids to increase their welfare payments. I won't even let her watch 'The Simpsons'. Just curious but why? Would you let them watch Futurama? I've never seen Futurama myself. I am more concerned with attitudes my daughter sees than actions. That is, if she has sex ed at school I will check it out, not because I don't want her to learn about the plumbing, that's fine. I don't want her to be taught by her school teachers that promiscuity is OK though. In the same line, I don't like the Simpsons because the children behave in ways I don't want her to, and the adults are all stupid. I'm not sure she is old enough to understand that Bart is funny, but not to be copied. She sure tries to act like Tarzan or Buzz Lightyear. Christian After all, there's nothing wrong with an elite as long as I'm allowed to be part of it!! - Mike Burston Oct 23, 2001
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I don't see why there would be a problem with Private Ryan being played in the evening, when kids should be in bed Well, it's airing at 8 PM (or 7 PM in some time zones). Usually programs for adults only (e.g. NYPD Blue) are relegated to the 10/9 PM time slot. My point was to show again how f'ed up we are in how we show all kinds of violence on TV, then wonder why kids are hurting and shooting each other in school. Most everything that isn't strictly kids stuff gets an R rating these days (R = under 17 allowed but only with an adult). Ryan even got an R which is utterly ludicrous. No mainstream film gets an NC-17 (no one under 17 allowed at all) because theater owners still equate that rating (formerly called X) with porn and won't show any NC-17 film. If a film gets an NC-17, the studio will cut scenes until the ratings board says it's an R. There are rare exceptions (Clerks [which BTW had no sex or violence, just profanity] first got an NC-17 then it was changed to an R, with no cuts made). On the other hand, the trend now is to make a film, cut some of the sex to make it an R, then put the cut scenes back in the DVD release. (See American Pie.) --Mike-- http://home.inreach.com/mdunn/ #include "witty_sig.h" :love: your :bob: with :vegemite: and :beer:
I don't think violence on TV has ANYTHING to do with kids shooting each other, other crime, etc. I lived through the 50's and 60's and 70's before everyone started worrying about it, and I'm not running around trying to immitate anything I saw on TV. I don't smoke, I don't drink, I don't do drugs, and I don't go around shooting people, raping, pillaging, etc. The whole problem is that the parents have been taken out of the equation for raising their kids. They have to work two-four jobs to make ends meet, they're not home to raise their kids, and if they ever decide to actually discipline their kids, they get their kids taken away from them and/or they thrown in jail. It has absolutely NOTHING to do with what they see on TV or hear on their favorite CD. "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001
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1/ What time do you people let your kids stay up until ? Even so, my daughter doesn't get to watch anything just because she's awake. Exactly right. Everyone blames the violence on the TV programme but what about the parents who simply allow their kids to do what they want and watch what they want. Parents are supposed to educate and bring their kids up, not just feed and clothe them. I won't even let her watch 'The Simpsons'. Just curious but why? Would you let them watch Futurama? regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass Cape Town, South Africa Do you Sonork? I do! 100.9903 Stormfront "The greatest thing you will ever learn is to love, and be loved in return" - Moulin Rouge
>> I won't even let her watch 'The Simpsons'. > > Just curious but why? Would you let them watch Futurama? Both of those shows are crap, above and beyond The Simpsons being inappropriate for kids. "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001
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>> I won't even let her watch 'The Simpsons'. > > Just curious but why? Would you let them watch Futurama? Both of those shows are crap, above and beyond The Simpsons being inappropriate for kids. "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001
Both of those shows are crap, above and beyond The Simpsons being inappropriate for kids Well I think that The Simpsons and Futurama are very insightful and intelligent programmes. They are not meant for kids either. The Simpsons has got a bit stale of late, mainly because they have parodied virtually everything of our modern culture. Futurama though has put a fresh and clever spin on it all and I watch every week. What don't you like about them? regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass Cape Town, South Africa Do you Sonork? I do! 100.9903 Stormfront "The greatest thing you will ever learn is to love, and be loved in return" - Moulin Rouge
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Both of those shows are crap, above and beyond The Simpsons being inappropriate for kids Well I think that The Simpsons and Futurama are very insightful and intelligent programmes. They are not meant for kids either. The Simpsons has got a bit stale of late, mainly because they have parodied virtually everything of our modern culture. Futurama though has put a fresh and clever spin on it all and I watch every week. What don't you like about them? regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass Cape Town, South Africa Do you Sonork? I do! 100.9903 Stormfront "The greatest thing you will ever learn is to love, and be loved in return" - Moulin Rouge
If they aren't meant for kids, why are they aired before midnight? Why can kids buy lunchboxes, notbookes, and all sorts of other Simpson's related material - stuff that *is* marketed to children? The shows are crap. "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001
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If they aren't meant for kids, why are they aired before midnight? Why can kids buy lunchboxes, notbookes, and all sorts of other Simpson's related material - stuff that *is* marketed to children? The shows are crap. "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001
If they aren't meant for kids, why are they aired before midnight? Thats ludicrous. TV should not have to revolve around kids. I would get highly pissed if they moved things like West Wing, The Practice, Futurama, Frasier etc. till after midnight just because they are not kids shows (which they aren't). I would'nt watch them at that time as I would be in bed by that time. What about the News, hardly a kids show. What about sport and documentaries, hardly aimed at children. Yet they air early in the evening or afternoon. Soft porn movies, very violent shows (like The Sopranos) etc., those should be showed late, fine, but not all non-kid shows should be moved. Botton line is if there is a show on TV which you don't want your kid to see then you should change channels or get a video for them. Or rather get them a good book. I would definitley let my kids watch The Simpsons, while other parents wouldn't. Matter of choice. Why can kids buy lunchboxes, notbookes, and all sorts of other Simpson's related material - stuff that *is* marketed to children? Kids can buy chocolates which look like bottles of beer. Candy which looks like cigarettes. They are hardly kid products now are they? Kids have hooked onto The Simpsons, I am not sure why (maybe they see "cartoon" and automatically like it), and companies realise there is big business in it. It may not be true to the shows intention but hey, money talks. Funnily enough Futurama has not garnered the same kid following, at least not over here. *shrugs* my standpoint is that parents should be the ones regulating what their kids see and don't see. Not the TV companies. Parents need to take responsibility and choose. The shows are crap. Ahh, very witty, I get it now... :rolleyes: regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass Cape Town, South Africa Do you Sonork? I do! 100.9903 Stormfront "The greatest thing you will ever learn is to love, and be loved in return" - Moulin Rouge
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ABC (one of the "big three" main networks) is showing Saving Private Ryan unedited tonight. So yes, the folks in power consider guys getting limbs blown off OK to air on broadcast TV. X| --Mike-- http://home.inreach.com/mdunn/ #include "witty_sig.h" :love: your :bob: with :vegemite: and :beer:
Why should we hide from reality? I was flabbergasted the other day, when I heard a kid of about ten years asking his mother why she bought a poppy. (In the UK - possibly elsewhere - the poppy is the Remembrance Day 'symbol'). Then she replied with "It's to help the old people". Never before have I seen such ignorance for the meaning of Remembrance Day. What is particularly worrying is that the current youth are growing up not knowing what happened in the Second World War. People only seem to remember Jews and Hitler; they don't bother with the people who really made a difference. If showing one programme - no matter how hollywoodised it is - will open their minds to the scale of things for just two and half hours, then that is nothing but a good thing. Violence should not be hidden from children – that will do them far more harm than good. If you want to keep your kids out of violence, then just teach them that violence is only justifiable under extreme circumstances. Children do listen to their parents – even teenagers! Either that or wrap them from head to toe in bubble wrap and gouge out their eyes, ‘cause mate, violence is everywhere. And before you get back to the "TV Violence affects kids" crap again, let me tell you two things - no, two facts: 1] TV violence has never been reliably proved to cause violence in real life. I see people run off cliffs in cartoons, but that doesn't make me try. The only studies carried out into this area that have found results tilted towards proving the hypothesis have been ones funded – and in many cases carried out by – these intolerant child protection agencies that want to ban smacking because it hurts. They’d try to ban schooling next, as it is against a child’s human rights to force them to be educated against their will. 2] I have seen some of the most violent films ever made – most before legally allowed to, and I am not a psychopath. I have seen some of the hottest X-rated porn movies, again before legally allowed, and I am not a rapist or child molester, nor do I treat sex as a commodity to bargain with. David Wulff, Founder of The BLA dwulff@battleaxesoftware.com [100.9977:Dave] New's flash - Bob caught in kitchen incident.
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I don't think violence on TV has ANYTHING to do with kids shooting each other, other crime, etc. I lived through the 50's and 60's and 70's before everyone started worrying about it, and I'm not running around trying to immitate anything I saw on TV. I don't smoke, I don't drink, I don't do drugs, and I don't go around shooting people, raping, pillaging, etc. The whole problem is that the parents have been taken out of the equation for raising their kids. They have to work two-four jobs to make ends meet, they're not home to raise their kids, and if they ever decide to actually discipline their kids, they get their kids taken away from them and/or they thrown in jail. It has absolutely NOTHING to do with what they see on TV or hear on their favorite CD. "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001
Or maybe it is just that parents opted out of the equation? We seem to be happy to blame everyone except ourselves - especially teachers. Maybe we need to decide to turn off the PC now and then and be part of the equation again? matt sonork [100.10146:bishboy]
