Boy, that's all??? Windows XP Facts...

Daniel Turini

Just for giving clear ideas to the design team :) I see dead pixels Yes, even I am blogging now!

TheGreatAndPowerfulOz

Roger Wright wrote: still waiting for the day when they will release a product that actually works Give me a break. What Anti-M$ Bullshize!

Long Gone

ahz wrote: Give me a break. What Anti-M$ Bullshize! Another Micro$ucks apologist heard from. Are you all shills that get paid out of Redmond? If Mickey$oft worked as hard on putting out a quality product as they do on marketing they would be respected by now and wouldn't have to hire the likes of you. The guy is intitled to his opinion whether you agrree with him or not. He is actually talking from experience and not just spouting evangilistic bullcrap. Have you ever produced a professional product? Rodger has and he is entitled to his opinion, so keep your cake hole shut until you have half the professional experience he has. By then you will realize that other, more experienced people, may not be fooled into thinking everything that comes in a bright and shiny box has value. P.S. – for all you anal retentive folks out there tempted to comment on my spelling or grammar save your energy. I don’t care. Don't shoot! I'm only the piano player messenger. Beatress

David Wulff

code-frog wrote: Project Length: 600 days, 5,736 focused team members That's 82,598,400 man hours, 3,441,600 man days, or 9,429 man years! Assuming an average salary of US $50k for each developer, and ignoring the testers, etc, etc, that would have cost $471,450,000 in salary cheques alone! :eek:

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Long Gone

David Wulff wrote: and ignoring the testers Are you delusional, what testers? By the way that is mythical person days. Do I have to teach you how to be politically correct?:rolleyes: P.S. – for all you anal retentive folks out there tempted to comment on my spelling or grammar save your energy. I don’t care. Don't shoot! I'm only the piano player messenger. Beatress

David Wulff

Yes, please do.

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Prakash Nadar

David Wulff wrote: Project Length: 600 days, 5,736 focused team members That's 82,598,400 man hours, 3,441,600 man days, or 9,429 man years! Assuming an average salary of US $50k for each developer, and ignoring the testers, etc, etc, that would have cost $471,450,000 in salary cheques alone! if the project lasted for 600 days, i.e somewhere around 2 years so the salary would be 50K*2*5736 = 573600k rite?

-prakash

David Wulff

Mr.Prakash wrote: 50K*2*5736 = 573600k 573600k = 573,600,000 Not that far off 9,429 years x $50k = $471,450,000

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Jack Puppy

H@c%erB!tch wrote: If Mickey$oft worked as hard on putting out a quality product as they do on marketing they would be respected by now and wouldn't have to hire the likes of you. So tell the Linux/FreeBSD hippies to take a Biz 101 course, come up with a half decent marketing campaign, and then you won't have to worry about Mickey's marketing... "Linux, it's like free beer! or something like that..." "Sure the penguin is gay and annoying, but it's not as gay and annoying as that animated paperclip!" "Remember the fun you had using the command prompt in 1990? Well, you're gonna love grep!" "We're not communists, honest!" In Italy for thirty years under the Borgias they had warfare, terror, murder, bloodshed - but they produced Michelangelo, Leonardo da Vinci and the Renaissance. In Switzerland they had brotherly love, five hundred years of democracy and what did that produce - the cuckoo clock! -- Harry Lime

code frog 0

Many of you are are forgetting some basics in that salary cost. - Benefits, insurance, bonuses. - Workspace, furniture, power.

My name is Maximus Decimus Meridius, commander of the Armies of the North, General of the Felix Legions, loyal servant to the true emperor, Marcus Aurelius. Father to a murdered son, husband to a murdered wife. And I will finish this project, in this life or the next. Slightly modified " from Gladiator. Code-frog System Architects, Inc.

David Wulff

I love the command prompt one. :laugh: Back to Beatress's comment briefly, the quality argument makes no sense to me. This past week I have had to install and set up for basic web access Fedora Core 4, FreeBSD 6 B2, SuSE 10 and Ubuntu 5.04 and not one of them installed smoothly or runs as responsively as Windows XP on the same hardware. The installations for some of them were completely illogical and required that you had knowledge of Linux based systems beforehand. The same can't be said for the Windows installers which, whilst ugly, are straightforward to use. (The Vista installer is a big step forward IMO, and that's still in beta.)

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Prakash Nadar

yep, you get the salary after subtracting all those costs. ;)

-prakash

Luis Alonso Ramos

With all that, testers, marketing and so on, the Windows XP project easily was above 1 billio :wtf: I'm searching for actual figures on the web, but I can't seem to find anything. -- LuisR

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Jeremy Falcon

David Wulff wrote: runs as responsively as Windows XP on the same hardware. You talking about the installations only? I've never used FreeBSD 6.x yet, but I can certainly guarantee I'll take a FBSD box over Windows for my servers any day of the week. David Wulff wrote: The installations for some of them were completely illogical and required that you had knowledge of Linux based systems beforehand. I don't use Linux much these days, but I still use the Unix-like ones (FBSD). There's nothing illogical about the setup. Also, they're in a different market than Windows. Unix is an OS designed by pros for pros. Windows is designed for the average moron. So of course I'd expect a little bit of understanding would be required to get it going. In all fairness, I do think the installation to FBSD could be revamped, but it works well and that does nothing to detour me from using the OS. Jeremy Falcon

Jeremy Falcon

Jack Squirrel wrote: So tell the Linux/FreeBSD hippies to take a Biz 101 course, come up with a half decent marketing campaign, and then you won't have to worry about Mickey's marketing... Linux is a different story, but FreeBSD is not targeted for the average user/desktop market. And, they do have a strong place in the server market already. So, at least put some facts behind your insults. ;P Btw, MS would be more of a "hippy" than BSD. BSD was around way before MS and plenty of standards, etc. set already (stuff that worked). Jeremy Falcon

code frog 0

Right you are! I was thinking of my other question I asked when I typed that.:doh:

My name is Maximus Decimus Meridius, commander of the Armies of the North, General of the Felix Legions, loyal servant to the true emperor, Marcus Aurelius. Father to a murdered son, husband to a murdered wife. And I will finish this project, in this life or the next. Slightly modified " from Gladiator. Code-frog System Architects, Inc.

TheGreatAndPowerfulOz

hey a$$hole, you're assuming an awful lot about me. You neither know me nor my experience. Fact is I've been using windows (and programming for windows) since before you were in diapers and I've shipped plenty of products. And no, I don't work for M$ nor do I have a lovefest for them. Fact is there is plenty to dislike about windows and M$, but for Roger to say that M$ has never shipped a working product is pure anit-M$ bull-effing-sheeeeit! Yeah, Roger is entitled to his opinion, and I'm entitled to my opinion of his opinion and of a$$holes like you. So F U C K O F F!

David Wulff

Jeremy Falcon wrote: You talking about the installations only? No, in use too. I'm not talking about the server installations though, I'm talking the 'standard' client ones. Programs and even dialog boxes are slow to load, though once loaded performance is fine. With XP it's pretty much instant. Jeremy Falcon wrote: I don't use Linux much these days, but I still use the Unix-like ones (FBSD). There's nothing illogical about the setup. Also, they're in a different market than Windows. Unix is an OS designed by pros for pros. Windows is designed for the average moron. So of course I'd expect a little bit of understanding would be required to get it going. Fedora Core 4 was pushed, from what I have seen of it, as a replacement home user operating system. The installation was probably the best of the four distributions I mentioned, but some parts of it still had me thinking "what should I do here?" For example, the disk partitioning.

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Long Gone

Lesson 1: Not all people are men. I know that it comes as a suprise to you but sometimes the best "man" for the job is a woman. That's 82,598,400 man person hours, 3,441,600 man person days, or 9,429 man person years! This would be a good start. P.S. – for all you anal retentive folks out there tempted to comment on my spelling or grammar save your energy. I don’t care. Don't shoot! I'm only the piano player messenger. Beatress

Long Gone

ahz wrote: hey a$$hole, you're assuming an awful lot about me. You neither know me nor my experience. Did you get up and find your bed wet again this morning? Your right I was just deducing from what you were saying. You were sounding like a rank ameture. ahz wrote: Fact is I've been using windows (and programming for windows) since before you were in diapers Very presumptious on your part. Just how old are you? ahz wrote: I've shipped plenty of products Just didn't sound like you have any experience from your post. ahz wrote: I don't work for M$ Sounds like you should. ahz wrote: nor do I have a lovefest for them Sounded like you did. ahz wrote: Fact is there is plenty to dislike about windows and M$, but for Roger to say that M$ has never shipped a working product is pure anit-M$ bull-effing-sheeeeit! I don't want to speak for Rodger but I would wadger a bet he was saying that with toung in cheek. A point you obviously have missed. Not all of us are as anal as you are. Sometimes the the butt of our jokes (that was an attempt at a pun so don't take it personally) are the people or things we love or in this case love to hate. ahz wrote: Yeah, Roger is entitled to his opinion, and I'm entitled to my opinion of his opinion and of a$$holes like you. That's BitchyA$$hole to you. ahz wrote: So F U C K O F F! In civilized company we say "F^ck off please". It is not polite to SHOUT! P.S. – for all you anal retentive folks out there tempted to comment on my spelling or grammar save your energy. I don’t care. Don't shoot! I'm only the piano player messenger. Beatress