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chimera967 wrote: in front of 150 people I think you need a bit of arrogance for yourself. Who are they, after all? An audience of 15 people could be dramatic but an 150 crowd is just a statistic :)
"tous les sifflets des trains, toutes les sirènes des bateaux m'ont chanté cent fois la chanson de l'Eldorado" rechi+
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Think to the chairs they're sitted on, as toilettes. And "feel" the smell of your freedom in speach. If you can think laughting on this, you'll have no problem. 2 bugs found. > recompile ... 65534 bugs found. :doh:
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Shog9 wrote: or maybe doing a bit of VB6 coding I'd recommend an installshield session. (This week I "only" had to search a function, add two lines, build, and test five or so scenarios. I spent over an hour cursing like a farting sailorette.
Pandoras Gift #44: Hope. The one that keeps you on suffering.
aber.. "Wie gesagt, der Scheiss is' Therapie"
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wear a sun glass , which is too dark that you will see nothing. [just for fun]. but try bluring your sight if u get panic too much.. and never look at one single person for any gesuture he makeswill directly affect you.. instead you just keep moving your sight around.. one thing what used to suffer was , i used feel very uncomfortable with my hands once i get in front of a crowd.. for where to keep my them!.. and i'd also be able to see my saliva creation process and till it reaches the stomach.. particularly ,when it goes thru the throat, it feels like stone.. anyway i hope u dont have all these symptoms.:-D V
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A dude on a ski lift told me about his friend who had a panic attack on a ski lift and fell off. So don't ride ski lifts. /\ |_ E X E GG -- modified at 23:24 Thursday 29th September, 2005
At least not whilst giving a presentation :laugh: The tigress is here :-D
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Mostly good advice so far, particularly: Breathing: Very, very important to breath long and slow. Fast breathing has a whole load of effects on the body, form blood acidty, to blood pressure. Practise: Get your material right, dont wing it, unless you are a real pro. Feal the fear and do it any way: Dont be afraid of fear, welcome it, and use the adrenaline it gives you to be sharp and focused. Remember, this is the mantra of those extreme sports people. Go for a run 50 mins before hand: This is going to tire you a bit, but will allow your body to relax and breath slowly. Also, the endorphines produced by hard exercise will make you feel good. A glass or two of wine: Alcohol in small amounts is a great confidence booster. When you have finished the speech, you will feel damn good! Nunc est bibendum
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While this is unlikely to help for your immediate situation, it will help long term. Join your local Toastmasters group. It is an international organisation with over 200,000 members world wide. It is an organisation that was set up to help people overcome their fears of public speaking and improve their abilities. It is also great fun. You can progress at what ever speed you feel comfortable. There are various level, the first is CTM (Competent ToastMaster) which is achieved after 10 speeches of upto 7 minutes each. Some people take a year to do their speeches, some people take 2 or 3 years or even more. After CTM there are various advanced stages and there are also leadership courses in which you can help and mentor other people who were once in your situation. So, my advice is to find a local group, go along to it - they won't make you do a presentation if you don't want - My first couple of meetings I just went along and watched and listened - everyone was friendly and invited me to participate but were very understanding when I said I wanted just to watch what goes on. [EDIT] You might want the link to their website also: http://www.toastmasters.org/[^] [/EDIT] By the way, your profile says you are in the US (you might want to change that - it can help people dispense the appropriate advice if it is country specific)
My: Blog | Photos "Man who stand on hill with mouth open will wait long time for roast duck to drop in." -- Confucious -- modified at 7:33 Friday 30th September, 2005
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OK, I think I have relative experience. I am a foreigner living in US. And I have my own company. I have been trying to sell software to customers for a decade now. I also had to deal with investors. So I have to talk to many people sometimes training groups. I also am a DJ at a local university station. When I was a grad student. I also had to deal with groups of undergrad students. In addition my younger son is having similar problems. His concern happens to be sweating too much while he is in school. This in turn puts him into the same cyclical panic like situation. I would like to add my feelings about the subject to what has already been said by many. 1. Plant friends in audience. Who has gone through the speech and can jump in in case of emergency. My teachers at the University always did that. When a grad student gave a lecture and was confronted with a tough question they would jump in from the audience, and answer. Must be done very graciously and. I must admit, they were all very good. Nobody got hurt feelings. 2. Not to be blunt but, don't take yourself, your career, and this speech too seriously. I mean the world does not really revolve around my stupid radio show. That approach is so liberating. I get licence to skrew up. Not that you have to use it. Remember you like what you do. And it can't help but show. 3. Remember the audience statistically is full of dull people whose lives are far less interesting than yours. And The speech that you should not take too seriously, is the most exciting thing they will have done that week. 4. Some people found out that, if you have a good subject and you are ok in what you know, but a bit on the shy, and nervous side, People adore that. I know I do. That however backfires for me when it is pretentious and done intentionally. Finally good luck and come tell us how it went and what you can recommend us. yalcin DJ Turbonado (aka Brown Sugha) Dromedary Express at WCBN FM
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I haven't read all the replies but... 1. Prepare your speech. Don't try to do it off the top of your head. 2. Practice your speech alone in front of a mirror. You will get better at the speech and realize that you can talk and not look like a total moron while doing it. 3. If you can, try to get to the point where you can give the speech from just a small set of notes. For example, write the first sentence of every paragraph in your notes. Try not to read from a paper. It makes for a boring speech. 4. Present your speech to a small group of FREINDS. This provides a friendly environment to try the speech out. 5. Present your speech to a small group of pirates who haven't seen shore for over a year. Just kidding. But I would try to do the speech in front of a small group of co-workers who aren't close friends. 6. "Suck it up princess" and give the speech. It won't be a whole lot of fun but you will make it through just fine. The next time you will have to talk in front of people will be much easier. Tim Smith I'm going to patent thought. I have yet to see any prior art.
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chimera967 wrote: however i've started having panic attacks and i'm scared to death of doing it. Visualize the audience naked. Rather than Valium, look up Dale Carnegie. He has a lot of advice on giving speeches. Good advice. Including how to manage your stress. (Hopefully there's stuff on the Internet. I took a couple courses, so my experience was more "direct"). Marc My website Traceract Understanding Simple Data Binding Diary Of A CEO - Preface
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Panic attacks are more than just having stress or anxiety. A person that suffers from panic attacks cannot control it by stress-reducing situations. It's a physical response of the body, not a psychological one. Danny
bugDanny wrote: It's a physical response of the body, not a psychological one. But isn't it the body reacting to the psychology of the situation? Meaning, the state of mind induces the physical reaction? Marc My website Traceract Understanding Simple Data Binding Diary Of A CEO - Preface
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bugDanny wrote: It's a physical response of the body, not a psychological one. But isn't it the body reacting to the psychology of the situation? Meaning, the state of mind induces the physical reaction? Marc My website Traceract Understanding Simple Data Binding Diary Of A CEO - Preface
Marc Clifton wrote: But isn't it the body reacting to the psychology of the situation? Meaning, the state of mind induces the physical reaction? Partially. I don't know a whole a lot about the actual physics of panic attacks, but one of the responses by Colin (I think it's Colin) seemed pretty accurate. The person has a minor stress or fear, and the body has a physical reaction to it with an increase of heart rate and breathing. This is what happens for all of us, but for those with panic attacks they can't control it after that. The panic attack sort of feeds off of itself. The increase in their heart rate, etc., produces more fear and stress, which increases their heart rate and breathing.... Perhaps, just perhaps, if she were completely able to reduce all anxiety, it might not be a problem, but even experienced speakers have a little bit of anxiety before and/or during a speech. I know some of the psychology behind it because my wife used to have panic attacks. Believe me, it is scary to watch. No amount of calming techniques seemed to work to stop or mediate the panic attack response. Thankfully, it does seem to be a thing you can grow out of, in some cases! :) Danny
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what you want to make his situation worse? LOL
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Panic attacks are more than just having stress or anxiety. A person that suffers from panic attacks cannot control it by stress-reducing situations. It's a physical response of the body, not a psychological one. Danny
Your answer is partially true. However, panic attacks are brought on by the neurological activity taking place within the brain. That technically means it is psycholocial in nature which manefests itself physically. Essentially, it's a brain chemistry bug. Been there, done that!
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Two things... First, you are going to need to practice both alone and in front of a few folks a couple of times. You can use coworkers or friends. It doesn't really matter. Make sure you have something prepared. It can be as elaborate as a script or as simple as bullet points hand written on index cards. I used to be petrified when I had to speak before a large group. What you will find is that once you get past the initial jitters it gets very easy. Generally, most of the folks in your audience want to see you succeed because everyone (almost) has the same fear! Second, I've suffered from panic attacks periodically since I was a teenager. To make a long story short... They are generally induced by a stressful event or an accumulation of daily stress. Short of medication (And valium is not the answer. It's usually treated with SSRI's) the best thing you can do is recognize it for what it is and try to ignore the physical affects. I empathize with what your going through because I've been there on both accounts. Don't worry! Because you know the subject, your instincts will kick in and you'll do fine!!
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Your answer is partially true. However, panic attacks are brought on by the neurological activity taking place within the brain. That technically means it is psycholocial in nature which manefests itself physically. Essentially, it's a brain chemistry bug. Been there, done that!
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Certified Code Project LurkerOkay. Like I noted in one of my posts, I don't know a whole lot about the actual chemistry of it. My wife had panic attacks, so I know some about what happens. Paul Lyons wrote: panic attacks are brought on by the neurological activity taking place within the brain. That technically means it is psycholocial in nature which manefests itself physically. I guess this might be right. Not meaning to just mince words but, I got this from dictionary.com: "psychological adj 1: mental or emotional as opposed to physical in nature;" Myself, I would rate the neurological activity, at that level, as you said it's a brain chemitry bug, I would rate that as physical, the way somebody thinks and feels, not at the physical neuron level, seems like psychological to me. My point is, those that suffer from panic attacks usually can't control it by just trying to control their stress. A panic attack can happen for no reason at almost any time. The post for this thread she mentioned just going through the normal activity of grocery shopping brought on a panic attack. Admittedly, there can be a little stress in affording food nowadays, but the point was, knowing she's having or going to have a stressful reaction most likely won't help her stop from having that reaction, it will probably increase her chances. Like you said, it's a brain chemistry bug. X| Danny
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Shog9 wrote: or maybe doing a bit of VB6 coding I'd recommend an installshield session. (This week I "only" had to search a function, add two lines, build, and test five or so scenarios. I spent over an hour cursing like a farting sailorette.
Pandoras Gift #44: Hope. The one that keeps you on suffering.
aber.. "Wie gesagt, der Scheiss is' Therapie"
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Marc Clifton wrote: But isn't it the body reacting to the psychology of the situation? Meaning, the state of mind induces the physical reaction? Partially. I don't know a whole a lot about the actual physics of panic attacks, but one of the responses by Colin (I think it's Colin) seemed pretty accurate. The person has a minor stress or fear, and the body has a physical reaction to it with an increase of heart rate and breathing. This is what happens for all of us, but for those with panic attacks they can't control it after that. The panic attack sort of feeds off of itself. The increase in their heart rate, etc., produces more fear and stress, which increases their heart rate and breathing.... Perhaps, just perhaps, if she were completely able to reduce all anxiety, it might not be a problem, but even experienced speakers have a little bit of anxiety before and/or during a speech. I know some of the psychology behind it because my wife used to have panic attacks. Believe me, it is scary to watch. No amount of calming techniques seemed to work to stop or mediate the panic attack response. Thankfully, it does seem to be a thing you can grow out of, in some cases! :) Danny
bugDanny wrote: Partially. I don't know a whole a lot about the actual physics of panic attacks, but one of the responses by Colin (I think it's Colin) seemed pretty accurate. The person has a minor stress or fear, and the body has a physical reaction to it with an increase of heart rate and breathing. You work through it using the same treatment methods of phobia. Phobia's are in a sense a directed panic attack, a true phobia induces a physical panic attack in the individual resulting in a state that the individual can no longer control. The first reaction is avoidance rather than cure. Avoidance prevents the "reaction" by avoiding the cause. Truely working through it means small-steps.... It takes strength of will and determination, you start small and work your way up until the event no-longer causes a panic attack. Panic attacks and PTSD are getting to be common enough issues than more people are there to help. Of course not everyone agrees with the methods.... there are a few "doctors" that will tell you only to tap your wrist. It is a relaxation technique, and sometimes works with panic attacks, but PTSD is the next level above and you are actually trapped in a past event repeating it -- there is no "now" but it has all the physical symptoms of a panic attack. _________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)