Could he become the next US president?
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It is so strange that at a time where people were drafted to go to war, someone who enlisted in the Army in 1968, 5 years before the end of the war, but never saw the front line.
kgaddy wrote:
When he asked to go to Alabama and help with Campaigning, the Air Guard was trying to get rid of it's overflow of pilots
Wasn't Bush a certified Pilot since 1970?
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K(arl) wrote:
Wasn't Bush a certified Pilot since 1970?
Karl, the truth about Vietnam is that by 1970 there was a waiting list to get into non-ground combat positions. In 1972, I volunteered to serve on river patrol boat duty - I was told that there were at least ten thousand volunteers already waiting in line for the same duty. Bush probably could not have gotten into Vietnam regardless of how badly he might have wanted to. His service as an air guard pilot was just as honorable as that of any of the tens of thousands of people who served in the guard, reserves, navy and air force who never got any where near combat in vietnam. Most of whom were not the sons of rich families, but just regular middle class volunteers - such as myself . "Patriotism is the first refuge of a patriot."
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How? Vikas Amin Embin Technology Bombay vikas.amin@embin.com
- Get on the ballot in NH and IA
- Get McCain so angry that he punched me in the face, winning the support of neo-conservatives
- Get Kerry so angry that he punched me in the face, winning the hearts of moderates
- Get Cheney so angry at me that his daughter punched me in the face, winning the hearts of decent people everywhere
- Win either primary
- Stump
- Win a majority of the electoral colleges' votes
- Move into 1600 Pennsylvania Drive!
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- Get a job with Diebold
- Change the source code for their voting machines
- Profit!
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- Join the secret society that rules the world!
- Rule the world!
"we must lose precision to make significant statements about complex systems." -deKorvin on uncertainty
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Shog9 wrote:
The real question for 2008 is, will the Democrats step up to the plate and find an even worse candidate than Kerry, or are they gonna have to rely on a popular 3rd-party to step in and help them lose?
Isnt Hillary Duff, ops I mean Clinton, going to run for them? I have taken a vow of poverty. If you want to really piss me off, send me money.
From the opinion articles that I've read, H. Clinton would lose the election for the Democrats. Supposedly, the analysts remark, her positions represent too moderate of a view for Democrats and ALL Republicans hate her. "we must lose precision to make significant statements about complex systems." -deKorvin on uncertainty
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How? Vikas Amin Embin Technology Bombay vikas.amin@embin.com
Now that you've read my lists, do you understand the hyperbole contained in my first post. 'T was merely a joke, sir. "we must lose precision to make significant statements about complex systems." -deKorvin on uncertainty
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Josh Gray wrote:
Why is my responce uncivilised when he had already refered to my parents as bad smelling Hippies?
He got beat up by a kid from Mexico. Mexico! And here you are, still picking on him. Doesn't that seem even a little shameful to you?
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Shog9 wrote:
He got beat up by a kid from Mexico. Mexico!
Actually no, I said I didnt defend myself, partly because he was from mexico. Later in the schoolyear it came down to fists, and I never had a problem with him again. My mom told me once that "while we all don't speak the same language, everyone in the world undestands an asskicking"
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Pumk1nh3ad wrote:
but i doubt you think i am a sane person.
You are just a product of your up bringing. No offence but at 15 you still have a lof of growing up to do (so do I at almost twice your age) and over time you opinions will probably mature and change as you have different experiances in life and come accros people with different back grounds. I have taken a vow of poverty. If you want to really piss me off, send me money.
Josh Gray wrote:
and over time you opinions will probably mature and change as you have different experiances in life and come accros people with different back grounds.
:laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh: Maybe he will grow up and talk about people's moms haveing sex. :laugh::laugh::laugh: My mom told me once that "while we all don't speak the same language, everyone in the world undestands an asskicking"
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Josh Gray wrote:
No i just asked him about the quote he was using.
I thought it was an inflamatory remark. I apologize if I misunderstood.
Josh Gray wrote:
Any sane person that read Stans posts would conclude that he is a lunatic.
I do not think he is a lunatic, but i doubt you think i am a sane person. "When only the police have guns, it's called a Police State."
Pumk1nh3ad wrote:
I thought it was an inflamatory remark. I apologize if I misunderstood
you did not misunderstand him. He brought it up as if to make out like my mom was some kinda violent nut. He, and everyone else knew what he was doing. Oh, and hippies do smell. My mom told me once that "while we all don't speak the same language, everyone in the world undestands an asskicking"
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Mate, Im an Aussie. Grotesque insults are a national past time :) These guys need a sence of humor. I have taken a vow of poverty. If you want to really piss me off, send me money.
Josh Gray wrote:
Mate, Im an Aussie. Grotesque insults are a national past time These guys need a sence of humor.
I guess if they were funny so we could laugh with you, but I think laughing at you is really not the same. My mom told me once that "while we all don't speak the same language, everyone in the world undestands an asskicking"
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Shog9 wrote:
The real question for 2008 is, will the Democrats step up to the plate and find an even worse candidate than Kerry, or are they gonna have to rely on a popular 3rd-party to step in and help them lose?
Isnt Hillary Duff, ops I mean Clinton, going to run for them? I have taken a vow of poverty. If you want to really piss me off, send me money.
That would at least make it interesting. We can hope...
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K(arl) wrote:
Wasn't Bush a certified Pilot since 1970?
Karl, the truth about Vietnam is that by 1970 there was a waiting list to get into non-ground combat positions. In 1972, I volunteered to serve on river patrol boat duty - I was told that there were at least ten thousand volunteers already waiting in line for the same duty. Bush probably could not have gotten into Vietnam regardless of how badly he might have wanted to. His service as an air guard pilot was just as honorable as that of any of the tens of thousands of people who served in the guard, reserves, navy and air force who never got any where near combat in vietnam. Most of whom were not the sons of rich families, but just regular middle class volunteers - such as myself . "Patriotism is the first refuge of a patriot."
Stan Shannon wrote:
In 1972, I volunteered to serve on river patrol boat duty
Bravo and total respect.
Stan Shannon wrote:
Bush probably could not have gotten into Vietnam regardless of how badly he might have wanted to
Never mind, he admitted he didn't volunteer. Question is, if so many volunteers were available, why others were drafted?
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Pumk1nh3ad wrote:
I thought it was an inflamatory remark. I apologize if I misunderstood
you did not misunderstand him. He brought it up as if to make out like my mom was some kinda violent nut. He, and everyone else knew what he was doing. Oh, and hippies do smell. My mom told me once that "while we all don't speak the same language, everyone in the world undestands an asskicking"
gaddy - you're OK. Josh comes off as a button-pushing ass and I applaud the restraint in your responses. That's maturity.
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Actually, it was Clinton that did that for me. I can be president and screw all of my interns in the public eye (while I'm supposed to be doing my job), lie about it, and still get re-elected! What a disgrace. Every teen-age boy in America wanted to be president at that time.
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Stan Shannon wrote:
In 1972, I volunteered to serve on river patrol boat duty
Bravo and total respect.
Stan Shannon wrote:
Bush probably could not have gotten into Vietnam regardless of how badly he might have wanted to
Never mind, he admitted he didn't volunteer. Question is, if so many volunteers were available, why others were drafted?
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K(arl) wrote:
Bravo and total respect.
Just to be sure you know - I didn't get it, and saw no actual combat. Although, I did serve aboard the flag ship of the task force that went in to de-mine Haiphong Harbor in North Vietnam which was technically a combat mission as we were in enemy territory.
K(arl) wrote:
Question is, if so many volunteers were available, why others were drafted?
I said non-ground combat. There were not a lot of volunteers for being a grunt - although they did exist. Not all the draftees went to Vietnam in any case, they also served in Korea, Germany, etc. Almost any slot for officers had numerous volunteers available, as an officer's career is greatly aided by combat experience. Also slots that were numerically limited, such as river boat duty, pilots, etc, were full of volunteers. Since Bush obviously had no intention of making a career out of the military, it isn't all that surprising that he wouldn't volunteer. "Patriotism is the first refuge of a patriot."
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K(arl) wrote:
Bravo and total respect.
Just to be sure you know - I didn't get it, and saw no actual combat. Although, I did serve aboard the flag ship of the task force that went in to de-mine Haiphong Harbor in North Vietnam which was technically a combat mission as we were in enemy territory.
K(arl) wrote:
Question is, if so many volunteers were available, why others were drafted?
I said non-ground combat. There were not a lot of volunteers for being a grunt - although they did exist. Not all the draftees went to Vietnam in any case, they also served in Korea, Germany, etc. Almost any slot for officers had numerous volunteers available, as an officer's career is greatly aided by combat experience. Also slots that were numerically limited, such as river boat duty, pilots, etc, were full of volunteers. Since Bush obviously had no intention of making a career out of the military, it isn't all that surprising that he wouldn't volunteer. "Patriotism is the first refuge of a patriot."
Stan Shannon wrote:
I didn't get it, and saw no actual combat
It doesn't matter. You had the guts to ask for it. (some would say the stupidity, and it can be discussed...nonetheless I've got respect for that).
Stan Shannon wrote:
river boat duty
As shown by Kerry's 3 purple hearts, it was not an easy task, wasn't it?
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Actually, it was Clinton that did that for me. I can be president and screw all of my interns in the public eye (while I'm supposed to be doing my job), lie about it, and still get re-elected! What a disgrace. Every teen-age boy in America wanted to be president at that time.
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Pumk1nh3ad wrote:
I thought it was an inflamatory remark. I apologize if I misunderstood
you did not misunderstand him. He brought it up as if to make out like my mom was some kinda violent nut. He, and everyone else knew what he was doing. Oh, and hippies do smell. My mom told me once that "while we all don't speak the same language, everyone in the world undestands an asskicking"
I thought that was what he was doing, I guess he was playing mind games with me. "When only the police have guns, it's called a Police State."
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IMHO, the disgrace is not about screwing interns, but screwing ugly ones.
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Pumk1nh3ad wrote:
but i doubt you think i am a sane person.
You are just a product of your up bringing. No offence but at 15 you still have a lof of growing up to do (so do I at almost twice your age) and over time you opinions will probably mature and change as you have different experiances in life and come accros people with different back grounds. I have taken a vow of poverty. If you want to really piss me off, send me money.
Josh Gray wrote:
over time you opinions will probably mature and change as you have different experiances in life and come accros people with different back grounds.
I doubt it if the other people i talk to are anything like you. "When only the police have guns, it's called a Police State."
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I thought that was what he was doing, I guess he was playing mind games with me. "When only the police have guns, it's called a Police State."
If you really are 15 then you are a lot further along than I was when I was 15. When I was 15, I was a left leaning crybaby. I took years of living in the real world to realize that my thinking was way off. I've read your posts, you seem to be on track. But of course, that is just my opinion. My mom told me once that "while we all don't speak the same language, everyone in the world undestands an asskicking"
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IMHO, the disgrace is not about screwing interns, but screwing ugly ones.
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