renaming of cities, airports, etc...
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In South Africa, there was a wave of renaming in the mid-1990s, but it's starting to happen again and I'm interested to find out what the international view is. The 2 latest renaming proposals are to change the capital's name from Pretoria to Tswane. The other is to change "Johannesburg International Airport" (was Jan Smuts in 1990's) to "Oliver Thambo International Airport". My issue is not the actual renaming, but rather the following: - it makes SA look unstable in political terms, I think - the several billion Rand that will be used to change these names should rather be used to curb the crime and corruption in our country. Does renaming happen in other parts of the world? What about renaming twice in 10 years? Cheers, Simon > blog:: brokenkeyboards > my opinion of VS05 :: here > CV :: PDF > skype me! :: SimonMStewart
SimonS wrote:
Does renaming happen in other parts of the world?
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Kant wrote:
So he will settle for either Austin (Bergstrom) or Dallas (DFW).
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Chris Losinger wrote:
Logan is a mere ten miles from his birthplace.
I don't think Bostonians like to have their airport named after Bush II. They rather have one more Kennedy airport. ;P
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We don't get too much of that where I live in the United States. What we do is tack on additional, equivalent names. For example, the primary east/west route through my town (Xenia, Ohio) and the next major city (Dayton) is U.S. route 35. In various places, it is also known as East Main Street (in my town), the Korean Veterans Memorial Parkway (a stretch between here and Dayton), and so on. There is one major street in Dayton that has five names over the course of its length. Every little two-bit municipality along the way changes the name of their stretch.
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delete this;We have one of those here in Orange County. The road is quite long, and it changes names as you pass through various cities... City -> Road Name Irvine -> Barranca Costa Mesa -> Dyer Garden Grove -> Segerstrom Fountain Valley -> Slater Huntington Beach -> ? Marriage slows down your coding, a baby slows it down even more!
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Liverpool Airport was renamed John Lennon Airport - Dead pop stars get the same treatment. ColinMackay.net "Man who stand on hill with mouth open will wait long time for roast duck to drop in." -- Confucius "If a man empties his purse into his head, no man can take it away from him, for an investment in knowledge pays the best interest." -- Joseph E. O'Donnell
The Orange County Airport was renamed the John Wayne Airport, for some GD reason... Hell, that AHole did not pay for it :mad: Marriage slows down your coding, a baby slows it down even more!
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Nishant Sivakumar wrote:
But Bush I is still alive, right?
Yep and minting money in the oil business.
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Kant wrote:
Yep and minting money in the oil business.
Oh - interesting! Regards, Nish
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The Orange County Airport was renamed the John Wayne Airport, for some GD reason... Hell, that AHole did not pay for it :mad: Marriage slows down your coding, a baby slows it down even more!
Blake Miller wrote:
The Orange County Airport was renamed the John Wayne Airport
Given that there are quite a lot of Orange Counties in the United States (and most likely many have airports) is this not an improvement, at least on the disambiguation front. ColinMackay.net "Man who stand on hill with mouth open will wait long time for roast duck to drop in." -- Confucius "If a man empties his purse into his head, no man can take it away from him, for an investment in knowledge pays the best interest." -- Joseph E. O'Donnell
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John Fisher wrote:
Otherwise, conversations could take quite a bit longer than normal!
Not if we use compression - for example I could replace
e7e7f686-c510-405b-955a-a8653130d61bwith a smaller symbol likexyzzy. To make the transformations easier to remember, I'd use words that have a physical association to the GUID. So,4a320b25-c869-4442-b6c3-eec1bd443a5awould be "Paris",a6d09623-6d36-4302-9282-bb05fb6d415bwould be "The Louvre", etc., turning the GUID conversation to:"Sally and I had a WONDERFUL time in France. We visited the Louvre in Paris, sailed down the Seine, and went skiing in the French Alps."
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Ravi Bhavnani wrote:
I think I've hit upon something!
:-D John
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In South Africa, there was a wave of renaming in the mid-1990s, but it's starting to happen again and I'm interested to find out what the international view is. The 2 latest renaming proposals are to change the capital's name from Pretoria to Tswane. The other is to change "Johannesburg International Airport" (was Jan Smuts in 1990's) to "Oliver Thambo International Airport". My issue is not the actual renaming, but rather the following: - it makes SA look unstable in political terms, I think - the several billion Rand that will be used to change these names should rather be used to curb the crime and corruption in our country. Does renaming happen in other parts of the world? What about renaming twice in 10 years? Cheers, Simon > blog:: brokenkeyboards > my opinion of VS05 :: here > CV :: PDF > skype me! :: SimonMStewart
Not that often, but to be fair, compared to here, SA *is* politically unstable, or at least has been. Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++
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Nishant Sivakumar wrote:
Trivandrum's official name is now Thiruvananthapuram
I am glad they did. Trivandrum is way easier than Thiruvananthapuram :-D Farhan Noor Qureshi if (this == this) thow this;
Farhan Noor Qureshi wrote:
I am glad they did. Trivandrum is way easier than Thiruvananthapuram
:confused: The name used to be "Trivandrum" which has been changed to "Thiruvananthapuram" now. So, the current name is actually a more complicated one. Why are you glad they did that? Regards, Nish
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In South Africa, there was a wave of renaming in the mid-1990s, but it's starting to happen again and I'm interested to find out what the international view is. The 2 latest renaming proposals are to change the capital's name from Pretoria to Tswane. The other is to change "Johannesburg International Airport" (was Jan Smuts in 1990's) to "Oliver Thambo International Airport". My issue is not the actual renaming, but rather the following: - it makes SA look unstable in political terms, I think - the several billion Rand that will be used to change these names should rather be used to curb the crime and corruption in our country. Does renaming happen in other parts of the world? What about renaming twice in 10 years? Cheers, Simon > blog:: brokenkeyboards > my opinion of VS05 :: here > CV :: PDF > skype me! :: SimonMStewart
Hi, I think you are right that renaming city's or airports doesn't do much good. Internationally it's known that Kaapstad, Pretoria and Johannesburg are located in South Afrika, when someone would ask them after renaming these cities were Tswane is they properly don't know and have no clue in what Country this city is located. I think you are right about the fact that the money should be used to fight crime and corruption, a few months ago I saw a TV documentary on crime in South Africa ,and farmers that are being attacked by gangs and often killed, girls who have to walk a few miles are being raped and so on, is something that should have the highest priority, and I think that when the Government doesn't address this problem, people who can will leave South Africa on the long run and investors will stop investing money in your Country , businesses will leave, and Tourists won't come. Here in Holland they don't rename city's but rename public institutions what also costs a lot of money, and sometimes a street, but further than that they don't go. But crime is also a problem in Holland and that’s why my brother went to your country to buy a Boerboel (called Temba). This dog type came originally with the immigrants from Holland to South Africa and is very rare here,and Temba is now in charge of figting crime.:) With friendly regards, Eric Goedhart Deep in the fundamental heart of mind and Universe there is a reason. -Slartibartfast
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SimonS wrote:
Does renaming happen in other parts of the world?
In India it happens all the time. :mad: In the last decade or so when BJP (Hindu) party came into power, it forced all the major cities to change the names. Madras -> Chennai, Bombay -> Mumbai, Calcutta -> Kolkata....etc... They renamed some of the airports in big cities. (ex: Chhatrapati Shivaji International Airport in Mumbai) When Congress party comes to power, they rename every damn thing to 'Indira/Rajiv Gandhi....Airport/Road/Building/Ship/Unversity/Any crap'. In some states where the backward caste party is in power, they rename it to their leader 'B. R. Ambedkar* ...blah...blah' * - wrote the Indian constitution and from backward caste.
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Kant wrote:
In the last decade or so when BJP (Hindu) party came into power, it forced all the major cities to change the names. Madras -> Chennai, Bombay -> Mumbai, Calcutta -> Kolkata....etc
Eh? The only remote way in which the BJP is connected to any of these is that they were a part of the coalition govt in MH at the time Bombay was renamed to Mumbai. It is the state government which takes these decisions, not the center. The BJP has never been in power in WB or TN, so I don't know what you're talking about. Cheers, Vikram.
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Kant wrote:
In the last decade or so when BJP (Hindu) party came into power, it forced all the major cities to change the names. Madras -> Chennai, Bombay -> Mumbai, Calcutta -> Kolkata....etc
Eh? The only remote way in which the BJP is connected to any of these is that they were a part of the coalition govt in MH at the time Bombay was renamed to Mumbai. It is the state government which takes these decisions, not the center. The BJP has never been in power in WB or TN, so I don't know what you're talking about. Cheers, Vikram.
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Vikram A Punathambekar wrote:
The BJP has never been in power in WB or TN, so I don't know what you're talking about.
I didn't say that. But it's the BJP (with Shiv sena) which started this trend by changing the name 'Bombay' to 'Mumbai' then others followed the suit. Now Bangalore and Hyderabad are going to change their names soon. I believe one time Karunanidhi or Jayalalitha formed alliance with BJP and shared power for one term in Tamilnadu.
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In South Africa, there was a wave of renaming in the mid-1990s, but it's starting to happen again and I'm interested to find out what the international view is. The 2 latest renaming proposals are to change the capital's name from Pretoria to Tswane. The other is to change "Johannesburg International Airport" (was Jan Smuts in 1990's) to "Oliver Thambo International Airport". My issue is not the actual renaming, but rather the following: - it makes SA look unstable in political terms, I think - the several billion Rand that will be used to change these names should rather be used to curb the crime and corruption in our country. Does renaming happen in other parts of the world? What about renaming twice in 10 years? Cheers, Simon > blog:: brokenkeyboards > my opinion of VS05 :: here > CV :: PDF > skype me! :: SimonMStewart
I can’t say that any cities have been renamed in Minnesota; there have been a few smaller cities (in the outline areas) that have merged into one. Major sporting and conference facilities tend to be up for sale when it comes to naming them. Which does lead to some confusion, mostly the locals still call it by its old name. I still think of the Excel center (The hockey stadium for the Wild) as river center. Personally I think it makes it a little harder for outsiders to recognize the particular interest points in a Country if they rename their cities to often. And leads to less familiarity, take Nish’s home town, with the name change there is no way that I would ever remember the new name. Trivandrum, in part be cause I can pronounce it (even if I miss pronounce it) is memorable. If I ever traveled to India I already know one place to visit, that is until I get there and no one knows where I'm talking about. Then again perhaps I'm just daft. :-O
ZeePain! wrote:
This seems like one of those programs that started small, grew incrementally, building internal pressure, and finally barfed all over its source code sneakers. Or something.
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Vikram A Punathambekar wrote:
The BJP has never been in power in WB or TN, so I don't know what you're talking about.
I didn't say that. But it's the BJP (with Shiv sena) which started this trend by changing the name 'Bombay' to 'Mumbai' then others followed the suit. Now Bangalore and Hyderabad are going to change their names soon. I believe one time Karunanidhi or Jayalalitha formed alliance with BJP and shared power for one term in Tamilnadu.
Kant wrote:
I didn't say that.
You originally said: In the last decade or so when BJP (Hindu) party came into power, it forced all the major cities to change the names. Which, with all due respect, is false. :) I agree they were part of the Govt which renamed Bombay to Mumbai, but they had nothing to do with the two others, so your original statement is patently wrong.
Kant wrote:
But it's the BJP (with Shiv sena) which started this trend
No. It was the Commies who started this - almost *all* cities in Kerala were renamed a full 5 years before Bombay was renamed. Nish will be able to shed more light on that.
Kant wrote:
I believe one time Karunanidhi or Jayalalitha formed alliance with BJP and shared power for one term in Tamilnadu.
Again, this is not true. I've heard about Dharam Singh's intentions, but what are they going to rename Hyd to? :confused: Nope, I'm not a BJP guy; just pointing out that you got your facts wrong. :) Cheers, Vikram.
"When I read in books about a "base class", I figured this was the class that was at the bottom of the inheritence tree. It's the "base", right? Like the base of a pyramid." - Marc Clifton.
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Not that often, but to be fair, compared to here, SA *is* politically unstable, or at least has been. Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++
In reality, we are politically stable. It's the effect of Zimbabwe and the gross human rights issues that happen there that make us look bad. Cheers, Simon > blog:: brokenkeyboards > my opinion of VS05 :: here > CV :: PDF > skype me! :: SimonMStewart
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SimonS wrote:
Does renaming happen in other parts of the world?
*sung* Istanbul was Constantinople Now it's Istanbul not Constantinople :D
!!!!!!!!!! I'm singing that song now in my head - Thank you grrrrrrrrrrrrrr I still remember having to write your own code in FORTRAN rather than be a cut and paste merchant being pampered by colour coded Intellisense - ahh proper programming - those were the days :)
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In South Africa, there was a wave of renaming in the mid-1990s, but it's starting to happen again and I'm interested to find out what the international view is. The 2 latest renaming proposals are to change the capital's name from Pretoria to Tswane. The other is to change "Johannesburg International Airport" (was Jan Smuts in 1990's) to "Oliver Thambo International Airport". My issue is not the actual renaming, but rather the following: - it makes SA look unstable in political terms, I think - the several billion Rand that will be used to change these names should rather be used to curb the crime and corruption in our country. Does renaming happen in other parts of the world? What about renaming twice in 10 years? Cheers, Simon > blog:: brokenkeyboards > my opinion of VS05 :: here > CV :: PDF > skype me! :: SimonMStewart
Yeh you are true it brings out Political imbalance . but we cannot change the tendency to change . (universal law) Vikas Amin Embin Technology Bombay
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!!!!!!!!!! I'm singing that song now in my head - Thank you grrrrrrrrrrrrrr I still remember having to write your own code in FORTRAN rather than be a cut and paste merchant being pampered by colour coded Intellisense - ahh proper programming - those were the days :)
Its nooooobodies business but the Tuuurks!! cruel, aren't I? Iain.
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We don't get too much of that where I live in the United States. What we do is tack on additional, equivalent names. For example, the primary east/west route through my town (Xenia, Ohio) and the next major city (Dayton) is U.S. route 35. In various places, it is also known as East Main Street (in my town), the Korean Veterans Memorial Parkway (a stretch between here and Dayton), and so on. There is one major street in Dayton that has five names over the course of its length. Every little two-bit municipality along the way changes the name of their stretch.
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delete this;Gary R. Wheeler wrote:
We don't get too much of that where I live in the United States.
Remembering my history reading (Bill Bryson in this case), the USPO did a lot of enforced renaming early 20th century. All the burghs -> burgs, only one town name (eg. Jerusalem) per state etc. It wasn't a federal law as such, but you had to adhere to the Post Office rules if you wanted your mail delived, so... Iain.
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I think locations should be named using GUIDs. It's so much easier to remember (and index)
108b0750-82d6-11da-a72b-0800200c9a66thanVatsala Bai Desai Chowk. And it makes for scintillating cocktail party conversation too."Sally and I had a WONDERFUL time in
4a320b25-c869-4442-b6c3-eec1bd443a5a. We visited thea6d09623-6d36-4302-9282-bb05fb6d415bin, sailed down the4a320b25-c869-4442-b6c3-eec1bd443a5a, and went skiing in the7717d6fc-48db-46d3-8bfd-f91ea39b913b."/ravi My new year's resolution: 2048 x 1536 Home | Music | Articles | Freeware | Trips ravib(at)ravib(dot)com
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