Middle East
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Matthew Hazlett wrote:
I don't need to have personally expirenced or intensivly studied the last thousand years to realize the scope and influence religion has played in society
Precisely as I thought. Like most making those kinds of claims you have not the slightest clue of what you are talking about. Tell you what, what don't you go to google and find the last actual war that was fought for reasons directly related to religion? (Our current 'war on terror' excepted, of course). Has religion played an important role in human culture? Well, fuck yes it has. In fact, religion largly defines most of what human culture actually is. But, so what? Has that been entirely bad? Would we even be here if it had not been so? How do you eliminate such a pervasive and fundamental concept? ANd if so, what do you replace it with? What is the substitute? Government? Hollywood? Humanism? And if you do, how do you prevent those things from becoming religions in their own right. "If anything, the West is awash in an epidemic of self-hate crimes." "a civilization that feels guilty for everything it is and does will lack the energy and conviction to defend itself" -- modified at 19:18 Saturday 28th January, 2006
Stan Shannon wrote:
Hollywood?
I laugh and throw up at the same time over that comment.
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Ed Gadziemski wrote:
But there are more.
Than I would like to know where they are hiding. I have lived my entire life in the bible belt, travel widely through it today, go to church on a fairly regular basis, and I haven't seen the slightest hint of this looming spectre of hordes of Christian loonies destroying American civilzation. I think worrying about a few thousand Christian maniacs, at best, when the world is swarming with about a billion Muslim maniacs is simply silly. Christian fundamentalism is just about the most impotent, weak and well maintained threat of all those which currently face our civilization. "If anything, the West is awash in an epidemic of self-hate crimes." "a civilization that feels guilty for everything it is and does will lack the energy and conviction to defend itself"
Stan, you don't remember the bombings at that Christian wedding that was carried out by loony Christians? Oh wait.... those were Muslims. What about the bombing in coffee shop on Thursday that those Cristians set up? Oh.... those were Muslims, too. Well, what about those Christians that abducted that American journalist? Oh... that's right. Muslims.
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Josh Gray wrote:
Yes logic and reason is my agenda.
But everyone's agenda is logical and reasonable to them. Your asking us all to have faith in you.
Josh Gray wrote:
Why? There have been no more bombs or threats.
Because we could have all dealt with Adolph Hitler in precisely the same way. Evil will always allow to go peacefully about your life - as long as you are willing to do exactly as you are told.
Josh Gray wrote:
Why do you hate the Euros so much?
Because they are a collection of assholes like none the world has ever known before. How many people have died as a consequence of European secularism since the 18th century compared to the number that have died due to Christian Fundamentalism? They are dangerous morons who think they actually understand something about governing themselves and the world just because they have managed to go for a couple of generations without starting another world war. "If anything, the West is awash in an epidemic of self-hate crimes." "a civilization that feels guilty for everything it is and does will lack the energy and conviction to defend itself"
Stan Shannon wrote:
Your asking us all to have faith in you.
No. I want to see logic not faith.
Stan Shannon wrote:
Because we could have all dealt with Adolph Hitler in precisely the same way. Evil will always allow to go peacefully about your life - as long as you are willing to do exactly as you are told.
It is a very differnt situation. Your comparison shows your ignorance.
Stan Shannon wrote:
Because they are a collection of assholes like none the world has ever known before. How many people have died as a consequence of European secularism since the 18th century compared to the number that have died due to Christian Fundamentalism? They are dangerous morons who think they actually understand something about governing themselves and the world just because they have managed to go for a couple of generations without starting another world war.
You think a death count will prove your point? How many have died through your medling in the world compaired to that of say the Swiss? You think everyone should just do what you guys say. You obviously know nothing about Europe or its people and culture. You have the typical pig ignorant american attitude of if you are not with us you are against us. Talk about a collection of moronic arse holes. I have taken a vow of poverty. If you want to really piss me off, send me money.
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Diego Moita wrote:
I don't know if you ignore all the violence commited in the name of Chritianism [snip]
You left out India (to be pedantic, present-day India, Pakistan and Bangladesh) out of your excellent list. Or are we classified as the aborigines of Asia? :rolleyes: PS: I gave you a 5. Cheers, Vikram.
"When I read in books about a "base class", I figured this was the class that was at the bottom of the inheritence tree. It's the "base", right? Like the base of a pyramid." - Marc Clifton. i dont mind to be a stupid,better than being a moron - Adnan Siddiqi.
Vikram A Punathambekar wrote:
Or are we classified as the aborigines of Asia?
No, it was for stupid ignorance; I am sorry. I really need to read some history of India, Pakistan and Bangladesh. Patriotism is the willingness to kill and be killed for trivial reasons. Bertrand Russell (1872 - 1970) Patriotism is your conviction that this country is superior to all other countries because you were born in it. George Bernard Shaw (1856 - 1950) Patriotism is often an arbitrary veneration of real estate above principles. George Jean Nathan (1882 - 1958) Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel. Samuel Johnson (1709 - 1784)
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Stan Shannon wrote:
Your asking us all to have faith in you.
No. I want to see logic not faith.
Stan Shannon wrote:
Because we could have all dealt with Adolph Hitler in precisely the same way. Evil will always allow to go peacefully about your life - as long as you are willing to do exactly as you are told.
It is a very differnt situation. Your comparison shows your ignorance.
Stan Shannon wrote:
Because they are a collection of assholes like none the world has ever known before. How many people have died as a consequence of European secularism since the 18th century compared to the number that have died due to Christian Fundamentalism? They are dangerous morons who think they actually understand something about governing themselves and the world just because they have managed to go for a couple of generations without starting another world war.
You think a death count will prove your point? How many have died through your medling in the world compaired to that of say the Swiss? You think everyone should just do what you guys say. You obviously know nothing about Europe or its people and culture. You have the typical pig ignorant american attitude of if you are not with us you are against us. Talk about a collection of moronic arse holes. I have taken a vow of poverty. If you want to really piss me off, send me money.
Josh Gray wrote:
No. I want to see logic not faith.
But only the logic which you are empowered to define and apply. God help those who might get in your way.
Josh Gray wrote:
It is a very differnt situation. Your comparison shows your ignorance.
I would be quite happy to compare my knowledge of history with yours. You don't strike me as someone who has bothered to actually study much. Keep appeaseing Islam, you'll find out soon enough how intellectually sound your arguments are.
Josh Gray wrote:
How many have died through your medling in the world compaired to that of say the Swiss?
A lot less than would have died had we not so brilliantly managed the Cold War - the most dangerous crisis in human history as we countered yet another European attempt to conquer the world.
Josh Gray wrote:
You obviously know nothing about Europe or its people and culture.
Whats to know? WWII, WWI, Hitler, Napoleon, Empires, conquest, subjegation or races, Royalty, Fascism, Communism, Secularism. Generally, a history of never being able to get it right. Fortunantly, the world won't have them around much longer to worry with as they seem determined to commit cultural/racial suicide. But, as Lee said as he watched Pickett's division melting away beneath the Union guns on cemetary ridge, "Oh, too bad. Too,too bad!" We can all only watch in horror as Europe charges forward towards its final, sad disaster. "If anything, the West is awash in an epidemic of self-hate crimes." "a civilization that feels guilty for everything it is and does will lack the energy and conviction to defend itself"
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Josh Gray wrote:
No. I want to see logic not faith.
But only the logic which you are empowered to define and apply. God help those who might get in your way.
Josh Gray wrote:
It is a very differnt situation. Your comparison shows your ignorance.
I would be quite happy to compare my knowledge of history with yours. You don't strike me as someone who has bothered to actually study much. Keep appeaseing Islam, you'll find out soon enough how intellectually sound your arguments are.
Josh Gray wrote:
How many have died through your medling in the world compaired to that of say the Swiss?
A lot less than would have died had we not so brilliantly managed the Cold War - the most dangerous crisis in human history as we countered yet another European attempt to conquer the world.
Josh Gray wrote:
You obviously know nothing about Europe or its people and culture.
Whats to know? WWII, WWI, Hitler, Napoleon, Empires, conquest, subjegation or races, Royalty, Fascism, Communism, Secularism. Generally, a history of never being able to get it right. Fortunantly, the world won't have them around much longer to worry with as they seem determined to commit cultural/racial suicide. But, as Lee said as he watched Pickett's division melting away beneath the Union guns on cemetary ridge, "Oh, too bad. Too,too bad!" We can all only watch in horror as Europe charges forward towards its final, sad disaster. "If anything, the West is awash in an epidemic of self-hate crimes." "a civilization that feels guilty for everything it is and does will lack the energy and conviction to defend itself"
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Vikram A Punathambekar wrote:
Or are we classified as the aborigines of Asia?
No, it was for stupid ignorance; I am sorry. I really need to read some history of India, Pakistan and Bangladesh. Patriotism is the willingness to kill and be killed for trivial reasons. Bertrand Russell (1872 - 1970) Patriotism is your conviction that this country is superior to all other countries because you were born in it. George Bernard Shaw (1856 - 1950) Patriotism is often an arbitrary veneration of real estate above principles. George Jean Nathan (1882 - 1958) Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel. Samuel Johnson (1709 - 1784)
Don't berate yourself - you are more intelligent than a lot of people I see in the Soapbox. Cheers, Vikram.
"When I read in books about a "base class", I figured this was the class that was at the bottom of the inheritence tree. It's the "base", right? Like the base of a pyramid." - Marc Clifton. i dont mind to be a stupid,better than being a moron - Adnan Siddiqi.