IE 7 Beta
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thealj wrote:
Still, tabbed browsing in IE is long overdue. For that, I am critical of Microsoft and I truly wonder why it has taken them so long to get around to incorporating it into IE.
I recall reading that they never liked the tabbed browsing concept, because it shows a flaw in the window management system. If the OS is good at managing and arranging, there's no need for tabbed browsing. It's a valid point, IMO, but while they do not come up with something better than the taskbar, tabbed browsing makes it way more effective. I don't see dead pixels anymore... Yes, even I am blogging now!
Daniel Turini wrote:
I recall reading that they never liked the tabbed browsing concept, because it shows a flaw in the window management system. If the OS is good at managing and arranging, there's no need for tabbed browsing.
I agree - if there was a way to (for example) create multiple task bars and associate specific applications and shortcut keys with them, then tabs would be unnecessary. But MS pretty much admitted long ago that this wasn't gonna be a goal for them - the sheer number of single-window MDI apps is testament to that.
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IE isn't "hooked" into the OS. The MSHTML rendering engine is used by lots of applications for more rapid application development and easier and pretty graphical applications using DHTML, VML, and the like. The WebBrowser control hosts the MSHTML control and is probably used more often than MSHTML because it ties in a lot of the protocol handling and navigation that isn't completely apparent in MSHTML. So, it's not "hooked" into the OS but utilized by the shell and may other applications like all of the virus scanners I've seen to date (and needlessly, I might add - just give me scanning with a low footprint; most people don't even use the UIs for such apps much). This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights. Software Design Engineer Developer Division Customer Product-lifecycle Experience Microsoft [My Articles] [My Blog]
Heath Stewart wrote:
So, it's not "hooked" into the OS but utilized by the shell
Um, most people consider the shell and the OS to go hand-in-hand. Also, try uninstalling IE (manually b/c MS doesn't want you to do that obviously) and see how well the OS runs without it. Jeremy Falcon
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I have recently uninstalled IE 7 Beta for the following reasons: 1. It broke my McAfee Virus Scan 2. It broke my Systran 5.0 Language translator 3. I also suspect it broke iTunes 6.0.2 (but I discovered that iTunes 6.0.1 would work with it installed) Has anyone else experienced similar problems or had applications break as a result of installing it? I did, however, like the convenience of the tabbed browsing and several other features. I will miss it, but for now I need system stability and I need my apps to run! -- modified at 11:36 Sunday 5th February, 2006 I'd also like to add that adding a Favorite to the Favorites menu took an eternity.
thealj wrote:
I did, however, like the convenience of the tabbed browsing and several other features. I will miss it, but for now I need system stability and I need my apps to run!
Why not use Avant? Marc Pensieve
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Considering the number of normal users who will end up using IE7 I, a web-developer and Firefox fan, hope it can pull itself together and be a good browser. regards, Paul Watson Ireland Feed Henry! K(arl) wrote: oh, and BTW, CHRISTIAN ISN'T A PARADOX, HE IS A TASMANIAN!
It certainly would be nice if, in your words, it “rocks”. A good start would be to make it a browser that is just a browser and not additionally a means of stifling competition for other business units. Is it just a coincidence that just as the browser manufacturer is getting into anti-virus applications [and playing catch up] that this “browser” interferes with a well known, and, in my opinion, very professional, anti-virus product? I'm on-line therefore I am. JimmyRopes
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Heath Stewart wrote:
So, it's not "hooked" into the OS but utilized by the shell
Um, most people consider the shell and the OS to go hand-in-hand. Also, try uninstalling IE (manually b/c MS doesn't want you to do that obviously) and see how well the OS runs without it. Jeremy Falcon
Yes, I realize people consider them to be the same, but that still isn't the point. It's not hooked into the shell like apps can hook messages sent from other windows (including the desktop). It's utilized by the shell as any other component because it has the functionality necessary to build what the shell intends. IE contains proprietary functionality - as does Mozilla/Firefox - as required by the shell and other applications that use it. Should tools such as your various anti-virus packages that utilize either MSHTML or the WebBrowser control by shunned because they choose to use a component that fits their needs and allows them to create a rich UI without a lot of extra hastle (sub-classing controls for richer UI, more complicated layout schemes, etc.)? The Gecko rendering engine and Mozilla are getting utilize by some applications in a similar manner because it has the layout control and capabilities to author a more rich UI. IE and Mozilla in this case are just components to get the job done. In order for Mozilla to even attempt to be used in place of IE it would have to support all the same interface - which are documented in MSDN - and use Microsoft COM as opposed to XPCOM. Mozilla choose not to license COM. While the two are very similar they are not compatible. So how would you expect the shell and the dozens or hundreds of applications that use MSHTML or the WebBrowser control to be able to use Gecko or Mozilla? This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights. Software Design Engineer Developer Division Customer Product-lifecycle Experience Microsoft [My Articles] [My Blog]