Windows Forms designer and VC++ 2005
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Anyone else ever got intellisense to work correctly? I was using VS 2005 with C# during the weekend, and was truly astonished by how good it was. Now I am using C++/CLI for a Windows Forms app, and I am again astonished - except this time it's at how pathetic it is. I don't understand why this is so :-( It's a fully managed app - no native code at all! It's almost as if the Forms Designer code has if() checks to detect if it's C++ and then behave poorly! I don't think this is the VC++ team's fault though, more likely the VS IDE team's fault! Regards, Nish
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Anyone else ever got intellisense to work correctly? I was using VS 2005 with C# during the weekend, and was truly astonished by how good it was. Now I am using C++/CLI for a Windows Forms app, and I am again astonished - except this time it's at how pathetic it is. I don't understand why this is so :-( It's a fully managed app - no native code at all! It's almost as if the Forms Designer code has if() checks to detect if it's C++ and then behave poorly! I don't think this is the VC++ team's fault though, more likely the VS IDE team's fault! Regards, Nish
Nish’s thoughts on MFC, C++/CLI and .NET (my blog)
The Ultimate Grid - The #1 MFC grid out there!Nishant Sivakumar wrote:
I don't think this is the VC++ team's fault though, more likely the VS IDE team's fault!
Good thinking - we need to spread the blame around a bit. And this makes up for the stunning lack of cruel taunts and jeers the VS IDE team should be getting for certain design decisions...
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Nishant Sivakumar wrote:
I don't think this is the VC++ team's fault though, more likely the VS IDE team's fault!
Good thinking - we need to spread the blame around a bit. And this makes up for the stunning lack of cruel taunts and jeers the VS IDE team should be getting for certain design decisions...
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Shog9 wrote:
we need to spread the blame around a bit
Hmm.. Should not the users be blamed for using Windows Forms in C++ when you have MFC\WTL? Probably the team did not think that it was worthwhile to develop a feature for the one user who will be developing windows forms app in C++\CLI.
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Shog9 wrote:
we need to spread the blame around a bit
Hmm.. Should not the users be blamed for using Windows Forms in C++ when you have MFC\WTL? Probably the team did not think that it was worthwhile to develop a feature for the one user who will be developing windows forms app in C++\CLI.
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Rama Krishna Vavilala wrote:
Should not the users be not blamed for using Windows Forms in C++ when you have MFC\WTL?
Heh, probably. :)
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Anyone else ever got intellisense to work correctly? I was using VS 2005 with C# during the weekend, and was truly astonished by how good it was. Now I am using C++/CLI for a Windows Forms app, and I am again astonished - except this time it's at how pathetic it is. I don't understand why this is so :-( It's a fully managed app - no native code at all! It's almost as if the Forms Designer code has if() checks to detect if it's C++ and then behave poorly! I don't think this is the VC++ team's fault though, more likely the VS IDE team's fault! Regards, Nish
Nish’s thoughts on MFC, C++/CLI and .NET (my blog)
The Ultimate Grid - The #1 MFC grid out there!As far as I'm concern it works, it just froze VS.NEt every too often. Reason for which I limit my C++ programing to low level stuff... And I avoid touching headers (modifying commonly use project header will slow VS to a crawl)
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As far as I'm concern it works, it just froze VS.NEt every too often. Reason for which I limit my C++ programing to low level stuff... And I avoid touching headers (modifying commonly use project header will slow VS to a crawl)
Super Lloyd wrote:
As far as I'm concern it works, it just froze VS.NEt every too often. Reason for which I limit my C++ programing to low level stuff... And I avoid touching headers (modifying commonly use project header will slow VS to a crawl)
Note, I am talking about using VC++ to write Windows Forms applications. I don't mean MFC or ATL here. Regards, Nish
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Shog9 wrote:
we need to spread the blame around a bit
Hmm.. Should not the users be blamed for using Windows Forms in C++ when you have MFC\WTL? Probably the team did not think that it was worthwhile to develop a feature for the one user who will be developing windows forms app in C++\CLI.
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Rama Krishna Vavilala wrote:
Probably the team did not think that it was worthwhile to develop a feature for the one user who will be developing windows forms app in C++\CLI.
;P Regards, Nish
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As far as I'm concern it works, it just froze VS.NEt every too often. Reason for which I limit my C++ programing to low level stuff... And I avoid touching headers (modifying commonly use project header will slow VS to a crawl)
And the biggest joke of all is that I always get Updating Intellisense message on the status bar and the progress always reaches 100%, yet I can't event get intellisense in a CWnd derived class.
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And the biggest joke of all is that I always get Updating Intellisense message on the status bar and the progress always reaches 100%, yet I can't event get intellisense in a CWnd derived class.
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Rama Krishna Vavilala wrote:
And the biggest joke of all is that I always get Updating Intellisense message on the status bar and the progress always reaches 100%
Yep, happens a lot when you are doing MFC projects, and the solution contains multiple projects. Regards, Nish
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Anyone else ever got intellisense to work correctly? I was using VS 2005 with C# during the weekend, and was truly astonished by how good it was. Now I am using C++/CLI for a Windows Forms app, and I am again astonished - except this time it's at how pathetic it is. I don't understand why this is so :-( It's a fully managed app - no native code at all! It's almost as if the Forms Designer code has if() checks to detect if it's C++ and then behave poorly! I don't think this is the VC++ team's fault though, more likely the VS IDE team's fault! Regards, Nish
Nish’s thoughts on MFC, C++/CLI and .NET (my blog)
The Ultimate Grid - The #1 MFC grid out there!I guess it's likely that they decided not to focus too hard on supporting the 7-9 people using C++ to write WinForms apps. It's a question of priority... There's actually an IDE team per language, AFAIK. Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++
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Anyone else ever got intellisense to work correctly? I was using VS 2005 with C# during the weekend, and was truly astonished by how good it was. Now I am using C++/CLI for a Windows Forms app, and I am again astonished - except this time it's at how pathetic it is. I don't understand why this is so :-( It's a fully managed app - no native code at all! It's almost as if the Forms Designer code has if() checks to detect if it's C++ and then behave poorly! I don't think this is the VC++ team's fault though, more likely the VS IDE team's fault! Regards, Nish
Nish’s thoughts on MFC, C++/CLI and .NET (my blog)
The Ultimate Grid - The #1 MFC grid out there!It seems like every day or two you're reminding us how crap VS2005 is for C++ development. Enough already... :rolleyes:
Ryan
"Punctuality is only a virtue for those who aren't smart enough to think of good excuses for being late" John Nichol "Point Of Impact"
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It seems like every day or two you're reminding us how crap VS2005 is for C++ development. Enough already... :rolleyes:
Ryan
"Punctuality is only a virtue for those who aren't smart enough to think of good excuses for being late" John Nichol "Point Of Impact"
Ryan Binns wrote:
It seems like every day or two you're reminding us how crap VS2005 is for C++ development.
Now, hand on - Nish is a C++/CLI guy. He's reminding us that VS2k5 is crap for that. And not really crap, just that MS obviously didn't care if it was easy, whereas they seem to have cared a lot about C# in that regard. Which is nothing new - VC++ has a long history of tools that look and feel like they were designed and built by people who never intended to use them. But dammit - that's why we're programmers! Not so we can spend all day casting a glassy stare at the pretty boxes, hitting the opium pipe and drooling out VB code, Not so we have a vast array of tools at our fingertips, pre-written code-snippets up and out the wazoo, Intellisense filling in all but a few keystrokes in yet another limp-wristed copy/paste coding job, Not so we can stumble home at the end of a short day, knowing that our job is secure only until a real programmer writes an app - in C++ - to replace us, no - We are programmers because we like a challenge, because we *know* we're smarter than that cursed machine in front of us and we're out to prove it, because at the end of the day, any machine can string together symbols, but it takes a craftsman, an artist, a steel-eyed-axe-wielding-rule-breaking-son-of-a-bitch to really get things done. And tools that worked would just make us soft...
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It seems like every day or two you're reminding us how crap VS2005 is for C++ development. Enough already... :rolleyes:
Ryan
"Punctuality is only a virtue for those who aren't smart enough to think of good excuses for being late" John Nichol "Point Of Impact"
Ryan Binns wrote:
It seems like every day or two you're reminding us how crap VS2005 is for C++ development. Enough already...
I am just frustrated that the best of the Microsoft compilers is not properly backed by their IDE :^) Regards, Nish
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Ryan Binns wrote:
It seems like every day or two you're reminding us how crap VS2005 is for C++ development.
Now, hand on - Nish is a C++/CLI guy. He's reminding us that VS2k5 is crap for that. And not really crap, just that MS obviously didn't care if it was easy, whereas they seem to have cared a lot about C# in that regard. Which is nothing new - VC++ has a long history of tools that look and feel like they were designed and built by people who never intended to use them. But dammit - that's why we're programmers! Not so we can spend all day casting a glassy stare at the pretty boxes, hitting the opium pipe and drooling out VB code, Not so we have a vast array of tools at our fingertips, pre-written code-snippets up and out the wazoo, Intellisense filling in all but a few keystrokes in yet another limp-wristed copy/paste coding job, Not so we can stumble home at the end of a short day, knowing that our job is secure only until a real programmer writes an app - in C++ - to replace us, no - We are programmers because we like a challenge, because we *know* we're smarter than that cursed machine in front of us and we're out to prove it, because at the end of the day, any machine can string together symbols, but it takes a craftsman, an artist, a steel-eyed-axe-wielding-rule-breaking-son-of-a-bitch to really get things done. And tools that worked would just make us soft...
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Couldn't the EU ask Microsoft to remove C# from VS.NET? That'd be a good move I think! Regards, Nish
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I guess it's likely that they decided not to focus too hard on supporting the 7-9 people using C++ to write WinForms apps. It's a question of priority... There's actually an IDE team per language, AFAIK. Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++
Christian Graus wrote:
There's actually an IDE team per language, AFAIK.
Yep there is.
Christian Graus wrote:
I guess it's likely that they decided not to focus too hard on supporting the 7-9 people using C++ to write WinForms apps. It's a question of priority...
Yeah, they've postponed STL/CLR too. Looks like the VC++ team doesn't have as many resources as the C# team! Regards, Nish
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Christian Graus wrote:
There's actually an IDE team per language, AFAIK.
Yep there is.
Christian Graus wrote:
I guess it's likely that they decided not to focus too hard on supporting the 7-9 people using C++ to write WinForms apps. It's a question of priority...
Yeah, they've postponed STL/CLR too. Looks like the VC++ team doesn't have as many resources as the C# team! Regards, Nish
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The Ultimate Grid - The #1 MFC grid out there!Nishant Sivakumar wrote:
Looks like the VC++ team doesn't have as many resources as the C# team!
Sometimes I think the C++ team doesn't have the resources that the J# team has ( a room out the back, a broken kettle and a tree to use as a toilet ). Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++
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Nishant Sivakumar wrote:
Looks like the VC++ team doesn't have as many resources as the C# team!
Sometimes I think the C++ team doesn't have the resources that the J# team has ( a room out the back, a broken kettle and a tree to use as a toilet ). Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++
Christian Graus wrote:
Sometimes I think the C++ team doesn't have the resources that the J# team has ( a room out the back, a broken kettle and a tree to use as a toilet ).
:) Why does J# even have a team? Maybe it's a sort of punishment team for misbehaving MS staff! "Bad boy! You'll serve in the J# team till next April!" Regards, Nish
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Christian Graus wrote:
Sometimes I think the C++ team doesn't have the resources that the J# team has ( a room out the back, a broken kettle and a tree to use as a toilet ).
:) Why does J# even have a team? Maybe it's a sort of punishment team for misbehaving MS staff! "Bad boy! You'll serve in the J# team till next April!" Regards, Nish
Nish’s thoughts on MFC, C++/CLI and .NET (my blog)
The Ultimate Grid - The #1 MFC grid out there!Nishant Sivakumar wrote:
Why does J# even have a team? Maybe it's a sort of punishment team for misbehaving MS staff! "Bad boy! You'll serve in the J# team till next April!"
The one time I answered a J# question on the MSDN boards, a member of the J# team also answered, and assured me that J# is alive and well. The other teams don't feel the need to remind people of this. I think you may be right on the money with that one. Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++
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Ryan Binns wrote:
It seems like every day or two you're reminding us how crap VS2005 is for C++ development. Enough already...
I am just frustrated that the best of the Microsoft compilers is not properly backed by their IDE :^) Regards, Nish
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The Ultimate Grid - The #1 MFC grid out there!So you've told us many, many times :)
Ryan
"Punctuality is only a virtue for those who aren't smart enough to think of good excuses for being late" John Nichol "Point Of Impact"
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Ryan Binns wrote:
It seems like every day or two you're reminding us how crap VS2005 is for C++ development.
Now, hand on - Nish is a C++/CLI guy. He's reminding us that VS2k5 is crap for that. And not really crap, just that MS obviously didn't care if it was easy, whereas they seem to have cared a lot about C# in that regard. Which is nothing new - VC++ has a long history of tools that look and feel like they were designed and built by people who never intended to use them. But dammit - that's why we're programmers! Not so we can spend all day casting a glassy stare at the pretty boxes, hitting the opium pipe and drooling out VB code, Not so we have a vast array of tools at our fingertips, pre-written code-snippets up and out the wazoo, Intellisense filling in all but a few keystrokes in yet another limp-wristed copy/paste coding job, Not so we can stumble home at the end of a short day, knowing that our job is secure only until a real programmer writes an app - in C++ - to replace us, no - We are programmers because we like a challenge, because we *know* we're smarter than that cursed machine in front of us and we're out to prove it, because at the end of the day, any machine can string together symbols, but it takes a craftsman, an artist, a steel-eyed-axe-wielding-rule-breaking-son-of-a-bitch to really get things done. And tools that worked would just make us soft...
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Shog9 wrote:
He's reminding us that VS2k5 is crap for that
Yeah, but we all know that already. It's kinda like reminding us that the sky is blue*. But then again, perhaps my ':rolleyes:' wasn't quite so obvious. Sorry, but it's a bit difficult to make it bold or bigger ;) * ok, so maybe not quite so obvious, but close.
Ryan
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