I am not a graphic artist
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Nor do I play one in the movies. Nor do I pretend to be one. I'm just a average joe who like to fiddle with stuff much like someone who carves on a piece of wood with a pocket knife. It just so happens that I have a very nice knife with the PROGGY Photoshop. I like to take found images and combine them or change them in interesting ways to come up with new and possibly entertaining results. I'm not sure why Mister Falcon would jump on that image calling it plagarism as it was done in fun and NOT FOR PROFIT!!!. Anyways, to show that I'm not a total lamer (as Mister Falcon so gleefully implies in his haste) here are some other images I made using Photoshop. A couple of them use a model from the Starfleet Command series of PC games. Also of note was a debate about the water effect in the image I originally posted. Fwiw, an "effect" like that is called a texture like the polished steel texture in the following image: http://www.toasty0.com/images/textures/texture_steel.jpg[^] This next image is the foundation for a sig I designed for one of the developers of Starfleet Command EAW and Orion Pirates: http://www.toasty0.com/images/myWork/Dave1.jpg[^] This next image was a prototype for a web site to host the scripting APIs, game patches, and we had hoped source code for SFC1, EWA, and Orion Pirates. The release fell through and this project was shelved: http://www.toasty0.com/images/myWork/prototype.jpg[^] This next image is a sig I did for one the moderators of the Taldren boards: http://www.toasty0.com/images/myWork/SGsig.jpg[^] And this last image was inspired by a story in the old board game Starfleet Command. For those who played the game you'll recognise it right away:
I can understand your side. I really can. I also understand the point Mr. Falcon (aka Jeremy) and others are making. I think to make the point clear there's a huge difference between, "I was bored tonight. Look and see what I did with photoshop 7." and "This is an image I really like. I found it here {link} and I've preserved the copyright intentionally. I do enjoy taking images and playing around with them. This particular image is my latest work. I have no desire to sell it just show it." Just think of the image as another CP members article code. Think of your boredom-killing recreation as your new program over the top of the original article while not citing the original at all. I think people are not trying to beat you up. They are making a statement to error on the side of being too formal. They have two purposes possibly three. One to protect you from plagiarism inquiries. Two to make sure they understand who did what (The original vs. your changes.). Three I think it did seem odd to everyone (me included) that you would post an image with a copyright. I think this only confirms your intent to just experiment and have fun but as a rule of thumb credit should always be given to the original first. Anyway, I don't think you've been defamed by this if anything I'd say you've gotten some good feedback and had a chance to learn. I'd imagine if you posted more work later, cited any original work you've modified etc... people would be give you a better reception. - Rex
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I can understand your side. I really can. I also understand the point Mr. Falcon (aka Jeremy) and others are making. I think to make the point clear there's a huge difference between, "I was bored tonight. Look and see what I did with photoshop 7." and "This is an image I really like. I found it here {link} and I've preserved the copyright intentionally. I do enjoy taking images and playing around with them. This particular image is my latest work. I have no desire to sell it just show it." Just think of the image as another CP members article code. Think of your boredom-killing recreation as your new program over the top of the original article while not citing the original at all. I think people are not trying to beat you up. They are making a statement to error on the side of being too formal. They have two purposes possibly three. One to protect you from plagiarism inquiries. Two to make sure they understand who did what (The original vs. your changes.). Three I think it did seem odd to everyone (me included) that you would post an image with a copyright. I think this only confirms your intent to just experiment and have fun but as a rule of thumb credit should always be given to the original first. Anyway, I don't think you've been defamed by this if anything I'd say you've gotten some good feedback and had a chance to learn. I'd imagine if you posted more work later, cited any original work you've modified etc... people would be give you a better reception. - Rex
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code-frog wrote:
Mr. Falcon
I'm curious, how many people can't stand being called "Mr." or "Sir", etc.? I'm not a big fan of titles, and it always seems weird to have one used with my name. Jeremy Falcon
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code-frog wrote:
Mr. Falcon
I'm curious, how many people can't stand being called "Mr." or "Sir", etc.? I'm not a big fan of titles, and it always seems weird to have one used with my name. Jeremy Falcon
I prefer "Your Lordship".
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I prefer "Your Lordship".
:laugh: Well, it would look good on a resume I suppose. Jeremy Falcon
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code-frog wrote:
Mr. Falcon
I'm curious, how many people can't stand being called "Mr." or "Sir", etc.? I'm not a big fan of titles, and it always seems weird to have one used with my name. Jeremy Falcon
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
I'm curious, how many people can't stand being called "Mr." or "Sir", etc.?
Same here.... I suffer being Mr. Brickley, it's just too common in a business atmosphere, but I will never get accustomed to it. "Sir" I will ask not to use. It never feels right to me. I am just Jeff. :cool: _________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
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I prefer "Your Lordship".
espeir wrote:
I prefer "Your Lordship".
I did that in college... it got old... All my computer prompts (Apple, PC, and Unix) were modified to say "Your pleasure my Lord? " _________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
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Jeremy Falcon wrote:
I'm curious, how many people can't stand being called "Mr." or "Sir", etc.?
Same here.... I suffer being Mr. Brickley, it's just too common in a business atmosphere, but I will never get accustomed to it. "Sir" I will ask not to use. It never feels right to me. I am just Jeff. :cool: _________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
Jeffry J. Brickley wrote:
I am just Jeff.
Yeah, I usually let kids get away with it because they're supposed to be taught manners, etc. But man, it sure does make me feel old to be called "Sir", etc. Jeremy Falcon
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code-frog wrote:
Mr. Falcon
I'm curious, how many people can't stand being called "Mr." or "Sir", etc.? I'm not a big fan of titles, and it always seems weird to have one used with my name. Jeremy Falcon
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Jeffry J. Brickley wrote:
I am just Jeff.
Yeah, I usually let kids get away with it because they're supposed to be taught manners, etc. But man, it sure does make me feel old to be called "Sir", etc. Jeremy Falcon
It shouldn't make you feel old...Just repsected.
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code-frog wrote:
Mr. Falcon
I'm curious, how many people can't stand being called "Mr." or "Sir", etc.? I'm not a big fan of titles, and it always seems weird to have one used with my name. Jeremy Falcon
I'm indifferent to it. I think our parents preferred it (I don't actually know how old you are though, I'm 31.) but I think today's parents and thirty-somethings don't need the title. Although I think it would be good to reverse that. Kids need to respect those older than themselves and sir names help with that I think...
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It shouldn't make you feel old...Just repsected.
espeir wrote:
Just repsected.
Well fundamentally I think respect is shown moreso by actions and how I'm treated rather than with a title. Jeremy Falcon
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hum,hum... <gangster voice in old movie> Hey Falcon, don't get too picky about titles</ganster voice in old movie>. That's how I feel when people call me without "Mr.". (Of course, this is only for the last name...) So, let it be Jeremy for you. ~RaGE();
Rage wrote:
So, let it be Jeremy for you.
:cool: Jeremy Falcon
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espeir wrote:
Just repsected.
Well fundamentally I think respect is shown moreso by actions and how I'm treated rather than with a title. Jeremy Falcon
I know I'm respected when those around me cower under my thunderous voice.
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I'm indifferent to it. I think our parents preferred it (I don't actually know how old you are though, I'm 31.) but I think today's parents and thirty-somethings don't need the title. Although I think it would be good to reverse that. Kids need to respect those older than themselves and sir names help with that I think...
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code-frog wrote:
I'm 31.
You old timer! I'm much younger at 27. :rolleyes:
code-frog wrote:
Kids need to respect those older than themselves and sir names help with that I think...
I agree, but I think kids need to also respect other people their own age too. I have mixed feelings about it. I was raised the same way in that regards and yet when I'm called "Sir" it just doesn't seem right. Personally, I'd rather a kid be polite and listen over him/her calling me "Sir". But, since I don't have kids of my own I reckon it's easier to feel that way. Jeremy Falcon
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I know I'm respected when those around me cower under my thunderous voice.
espeir wrote:
I know I'm respected when those around me cower under my thunderous voice.
That has nothing to do with respect. That is fear/terror. Respect is earned, not threatened. _________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
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I know I'm respected when those around me cower under my thunderous voice.
espeir wrote:
I know I'm respected when those around me cower under my thunderous voice.
You sure it's not your bad breath? ;P Jeremy Falcon
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espeir wrote:
I know I'm respected when those around me cower under my thunderous voice.
That has nothing to do with respect. That is fear/terror. Respect is earned, not threatened. _________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
HOW DARE YOU QUESTION ME!!!
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espeir wrote:
I know I'm respected when those around me cower under my thunderous voice.
You sure it's not your bad breath? ;P Jeremy Falcon
maybe
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code-frog wrote:
Mr. Falcon
I'm curious, how many people can't stand being called "Mr." or "Sir", etc.? I'm not a big fan of titles, and it always seems weird to have one used with my name. Jeremy Falcon
There is only one "Mr. Wigant" and I call him "DAD" :-D ------------------------------------- Do not do what has already been done. Absolute power corrupts absolutely.. but it ROCKS absolutely, too.
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Toasty0 wrote:
Nor do I play one in the movies. Nor do I pretend to be one. I'm just a average joe who like to fiddle with stuff much like someone who carves on a piece of wood with a pocket knife. It just so happens that I have a very nice knife with the PROGGY Photoshop.
Even though you are not a graphic artist, I think you should at least consider building your own. Not for profit reasons, but for self reliance reasons. It is very easy to say, "why bother when I can always just play with other's images, I could never do that." and you might find out if you tried, pushed your own limits you could. I am still not a graphics artist, I will never be one. Nor am I a photographer (I usually say I "do photography" rather than "I am a photographer" -- the former implies playing with a sideline hobby, the other implies some skill). I still play with both, and enjoy stretching my own skills. if you google my name you will find absolutely laughable raytracing images (we all start somewhere this[^] is the better one, don't look for the others), but they were originals. My last real raytrace image I still thought was little more than "play" and a recent google on my name turned up the image at several dozen bonzai sites in Japan to my great surprise. It is a "okay" raytrace, but the form and function in bonsai attracted others without the image itself being perfect. The signature is also not-so-subtly placed in the image. http://www.zianet.com/jjustinb/SeasonsInMiniature.jpg[^] In short (since I am well known for being longwinded as above): you never know what you are capable of until you try. You can say forever that you just play with others images, but you can also push yourself to try to make your own. Learn how and why the artists did them, find out what you can do to create your own. Even if you never want to go into the business. Honest, it is worth your time to try. _________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
Jeffry J. Brickley wrote:
we all start somewhere this[^] is the better
now that is cool. :cool: Jim
