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    ****Christian Graus wrote: I doubt when you were first able to say your name that you dreamed, or even concieved, of much in life beyond mastering potty time. How old do you need to be to say Nish, 10 months ? Well, yeah, I must admit that I kinda exagerrated in my negative-enthusiastic mood. ****Christian Graus wrote: I assume you mean contented ? What is SF ? Yes, it was a typo. I did mean contented. SF is San Francisco. Thats where my bosses spend half their year at. ****Christian Graus wrote: Have you thought of proposing articles to some paper mags like WDJ ? No I haven't. I need to get a little more professional before I can do that. And its not easy from India, specially Trivandrum. ****Christian Graus wrote: I don't know if you're joking, but I hope so. Are you drunk, depressed or being ironic ? I am not joking and I am not drunk nor am I being ironic. I am slightly depressed for some reasons. But I am kinda snapping out of it slowly. I wonder how you guys manage to stay calm and collected all through the week. For me I go crazy at least once every 5 days. :-) Nish My most recent CP article :- A newbie's elementary guide to spawning processes www.busterboy.org

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    Nish [BusterBoy] wrote: I did mean contented. SF is San Francisco. Isn't the kewl name "the bay area" now ? or is that somewhere else. Regardz Colin J Davies

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      Stan Shannon wrote: Did you ever consider dreaming about makeing your country a better place to live rather than running away to SF? (San Francisco? I thought you didn't like the U.S.) Relax Stan, he said SF not Oklahoma City :-) Stan Shannon wrote: but we don't need you as much as India does. Maybe you should migrate Stan. :-) Regardz Colin J Davies

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      Colin Davies wrote: Maybe you should migrate Stan. Somehow, I don't think a 3rd rate hack like me would do much for their economy. But I might try it if I could get a good price on a nice doublewide in Calcutta. ;P "There's a slew of slip 'twixt cup and lip"

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        First, I will second Matt's I wish you luck. Nish [BusterBoy] wrote: I shall strive to cross the abominabilities thrust upon me by my 3rd world nationality and I shall conquer. And you shall all be witness to that. The 3rd worlder who dared to dream and conquer his dream. That will be me – Nish. To be truthful I feel you already have crossed boundaries. The India culture has always puzzled me. On one hand your people seam to detest the cast system I percieve you have and from your comments is at least partially true. But, I knew 2 students from India when I was in school (yes many years ago). I do not know how well off their families were but they had gotten to the US to go to school and were then working part time jobs to pay for their education. In both cases they wanted only to live and work here long enough so they could then return to India and buy a city so they could become the lords over the land. I did not understand and still do not. Sorry for digressing. If nothing else you have joined the international community here and I for one appreciate the interaction from more that jsut my fellow US citizens. Again good luck. Mike

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        Michael A. Barnhart wrote: On one hand your people seam to detest the cast system I percieve you have and from your comments is at least partially true. Partially true???? I hate the damned caste system. Thats what I hate most about my country. The dirty caste system. But the politicians depend on religion and caste for their votes. Nish My most recent CP article :- A newbie's elementary guide to spawning processes www.busterboy.org

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          Nish [BusterBoy] wrote: What about me? I can imagine myself born in a developed place. I believe that if I was born in some computer aware place, say SF, I’d have conquered my dreams by now. I’d have got an exposure which is only fantasy now to me. I’d have been rich and successful and contended Very eloquent Nish, My experience has shown me however that folk who are unhappy in the 3rd world when transfered to the 1st world remain unhappy although for entirely new reasons. Thought for thought. Happiness is a state of mind. :-) Regardz Colin J Davies

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          Colin Davies wrote: My experience has shown me however that folk who are unhappy in the 3rd world when transfered to the 1st world remain unhappy although for entirely new reasons. Yeah but I'd prefer a change in the variety of unhappiness I would experience. A wound that keeps changing its nature would be a lot more pleasant than a stagnant boring wound. Nish My most recent CP article :- A newbie's elementary guide to spawning processes www.busterboy.org

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            Stan Shannon wrote: Did you ever consider dreaming about makeing your country a better place to live rather than running away to SF? (San Francisco? I thought you didn't like the U.S.) Relax Stan, he said SF not Oklahoma City :-) Stan Shannon wrote: but we don't need you as much as India does. Maybe you should migrate Stan. :-) Regardz Colin J Davies

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            Colin Davies wrote: Relax Stan, he said SF not Oklahoma City If I were Nish I'd dang sure pick OKC over SF. There's not nearly as much high tech, but the people are a lot nicer. "There's a slew of slip 'twixt cup and lip"

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              Stan Shannon wrote: might try it if I could get a good price on a nice doublewide in Calcutta Hey! What's the big deal about Calcutta? I thought it was one of the most polluted cities in the world. Nish My most recent CP article :- A newbie's elementary guide to spawning processes www.busterboy.org

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              Just demonstrating my limited knowledge of Indian geography. It was the first name that popped into my mind. "There's a slew of slip 'twixt cup and lip"

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                Did you ever consider dreaming about makeing your country a better place to live rather than running away to SF? (San Francisco? I thought you didn't like the U.S.) You might not want to accept it, but India needs people like you, Nish. The U.S. can certainly use more people of your intelligence, but we don't need you as much as India does. "There's a slew of slip 'twixt cup and lip"

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                Stan Shannon wrote: Did you ever consider dreaming about makeing your country a better place to live rather than running away to SF? I dont want to run away to the US. It is true that I would have been happier to have been born there. But now I dont think I'd be happy there either. But the computer world is an american thing basically. If I am to be successful, I'd need to spend at least 4 years there and then come back with several contracts. Then from india, I'd be earning US money. Nish My most recent CP article :- A newbie's elementary guide to spawning processes www.busterboy.org

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                  Colin Davies wrote: Maybe you should migrate Stan. Somehow, I don't think a 3rd rate hack like me would do much for their economy. But I might try it if I could get a good price on a nice doublewide in Calcutta. ;P "There's a slew of slip 'twixt cup and lip"

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                  Stan Shannon wrote: might try it if I could get a good price on a nice doublewide in Calcutta Hey! What's the big deal about Calcutta? I thought it was one of the most polluted cities in the world. Nish My most recent CP article :- A newbie's elementary guide to spawning processes www.busterboy.org

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                    Nish [BusterBoy] wrote: What about me? I can imagine myself born in a developed place. I believe that if I was born in some computer aware place, say SF, I’d have conquered my dreams by now. I’d have got an exposure which is only fantasy now to me. I’d have been rich and successful and contended Very eloquent Nish, My experience has shown me however that folk who are unhappy in the 3rd world when transfered to the 1st world remain unhappy although for entirely new reasons. Thought for thought. Happiness is a state of mind. :-) Regardz Colin J Davies

                    Sonork ID 100.9197:Colin

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                    Colin Davies wrote: Happiness is a state of mind. That summarizes everything. Just when I thought about posting that. :-) Cheers Kannan

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                      Nish [BusterBoy] wrote: I did mean contented. SF is San Francisco. Isn't the kewl name "the bay area" now ? or is that somewhere else. Regardz Colin J Davies

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                      SF is just the town at the tip of the southern peninsula. The Bay Area refers to SF, Oakland, San Jose, Fremont, and several other towns that surround the bay.

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                        Just demonstrating my limited knowledge of Indian geography. It was the first name that popped into my mind. "There's a slew of slip 'twixt cup and lip"

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                        Stan Shannon wrote: It was the first name that popped into my mind. I'd have been a lot more happier, if the first name that popped into your mind was TRIVANDRUM. Nish My most recent CP article :- A newbie's elementary guide to spawning processes www.busterboy.org

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                          Stan Shannon wrote: Did you ever consider dreaming about makeing your country a better place to live rather than running away to SF? I dont want to run away to the US. It is true that I would have been happier to have been born there. But now I dont think I'd be happy there either. But the computer world is an american thing basically. If I am to be successful, I'd need to spend at least 4 years there and then come back with several contracts. Then from india, I'd be earning US money. Nish My most recent CP article :- A newbie's elementary guide to spawning processes www.busterboy.org

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                          Fair enough. :rose: "There's a slew of slip 'twixt cup and lip"

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                            Colin Davies wrote: My experience has shown me however that folk who are unhappy in the 3rd world when transfered to the 1st world remain unhappy although for entirely new reasons. Yeah but I'd prefer a change in the variety of unhappiness I would experience. A wound that keeps changing its nature would be a lot more pleasant than a stagnant boring wound. Nish My most recent CP article :- A newbie's elementary guide to spawning processes www.busterboy.org

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                            you could experience the wonderful feeling of being laid off because the economy is in the gutter... :( you could experience the joy of competing with your friends for the few (lousy) jobs that are out there. -c

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                              Stuart van Weele wrote: Plenty of people from developing countries make it to the USA. You just need concrete goals, a plan, a few tricks, and some luck. I don;t want to do that. I wish I was born there. But now that I am not, I don't wish to realize my goals in an alien country. I'd much rather do that here. Nish My most recent CP article :- A newbie's elementary guide to spawning processes www.busterboy.org

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                              You cannot change where you were born. You've got four choices: fix your environment, move, learn to like your environment, or do nothing and grumble.

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                                you could experience the wonderful feeling of being laid off because the economy is in the gutter... :( you could experience the joy of competing with your friends for the few (lousy) jobs that are out there. -c

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                                Chris Losinger wrote: you could experience the joy of competing with your friends for the few (lousy) jobs that are out there Gosh! Try working in India for one month Chris L. Just one month... Nish My most recent CP article :- A newbie's elementary guide to spawning processes www.busterboy.org

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                                  Colin Davies wrote: Relax Stan, he said SF not Oklahoma City If I were Nish I'd dang sure pick OKC over SF. There's not nearly as much high tech, but the people are a lot nicer. "There's a slew of slip 'twixt cup and lip"

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                                  ...Raleigh, NC. lots of hi-tech, nice weather, nice people. sadly, no jobs right now. but that could change someday. -c

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                                    Chris Losinger wrote: you could experience the joy of competing with your friends for the few (lousy) jobs that are out there Gosh! Try working in India for one month Chris L. Just one month... Nish My most recent CP article :- A newbie's elementary guide to spawning processes www.busterboy.org

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                                    yes, yes, i know: i'm not allowed to complain about the US. -c

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                                      You cannot change where you were born. You've got four choices: fix your environment, move, learn to like your environment, or do nothing and grumble.

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                                      The four choices (1)fix your environment (2)move (3)learn to like your environment (4)do nothing and grumble I'll do (2) first. By then I'd automatically do (3). Then I'd come back and do (1) And while I am at (1)(2)(3) I'll idle myself in (4) once in a while. Nish My most recent CP article :- A newbie's elementary guide to spawning processes www.busterboy.org

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                                        Everyone dreams. Everyone. Even someone as pitiable and scornful as a 3rd wordler. I dream too. Dreaming is easy. Then what is it that separates a few. That makes some people stand out. Well that’s something too. Its called realization of dreams. Will I realize my dreams? Will I ever achieve what I wanted to achieve ever since I was old enough to say my name? Or will I suffer the same fate as any other 3rd worlder? I know some Indians are successful in life. But these are the elite and rich upper class. They have the money power to get them out of India. What about me? I can imagine myself born in a developed place. I believe that if I was born in some computer aware place, say SF, I’d have conquered my dreams by now. I’d have got an exposure which is only fantasy now to me. I’d have been rich and successful and contended. Why has fortune been cruel to me? It’s particularly painful to me. Simply because I was not destined thus, to be a piece of crap in a world of nothingness. But there is hope, as is always so. I don’t remember who it was who said that, but to hope is to live. And so it shall be with me. I shall strive to cross the abominabilities thrust upon me by my 3rd world nationality and I shall conquer. And you shall all be witness to that. The 3rd worlder who dared to dream and conquer his dream. That will be me – Nish. CPUA # 0x0666 Sonork ID 100.9786 voidmain www.busterboy.org

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                                        Nish, What are your dreams? What do you want to do with your life? What's holding you back from accomplishing those things? What can your friends at CP contribute to assist you in acheiving them?

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                                          yes, yes, i know: i'm not allowed to complain about the US. -c

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                                          Chris Losinger wrote: yes, yes, i know: i'm not allowed to complain about the US. Sorry Chris L, I understand the reasons behind your sarcasm. But even a lowly worker in the US who makes a pittance of 1K/month still earns more than twice what the average software engineer makes in India :-) Nish My most recent CP article :- A newbie's elementary guide to spawning processes www.busterboy.org

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