All the Vista Bashing

Christopher Duncan

When I was coding, I was a MS guy. Not because of "brand loyalty", but because that's where the gigs were. Macs are cool, but there isn't much work for them. You guys might be right about :baaaa!: jumping on bandwagons, but I ain't one of them. I'm quite capable of doing my own thinking. Author of The Career Programmer and Unite the Tribes Know someone who desperately needs to get a clue? Visit www.DownloadAClue.com and send them one!

Chris Meech

Mike Mullikin wrote:

Since a lightning strike toasted my main home PC (midway through my annual Linux trial) I'll be

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Michael A Barnhart

Nishant Sivakumar wrote:

So when you buy cars, eye candy is a good enough reason

Um I am driving an all white 1997 Toyota Tacoma. Ok, I did splurg for the FM radio. It gets me from point a to point b. ;P "Yes I know the voices are not real. But they have some pretty good ideas."

Jim Crafton

As a general rule, I'd agree with you, but if someone puts a signifgantly stupid feature (or set of features) in a software product, then why not call them on it? Especially since it's a beta, where there's still a chance the goofy/stupid feature has a chance of getting fixed. In addition Microsoft is in a special place. They have vast financial and human resources. There's an expectation that if you hype your software as being the greatest thing since the wheel, that you had better damn well deliver, especially if you're a company like Microsoft where they have all the tools and people and expertise to do so. And when you see a whole slew of really silly, goofy UI glitches then I think it's perfectly fair for people to come down hard on them. While I haven't used Vista yet, I have been reading reviews of it for quite a while on Paul Thurrot's site, and some of the points he brings up are not pretty. ¡El diablo está en mis pantalones! ¡Mire, mire! Real Mentats use only 100% pure, unfooled around with Sapho Juice(tm)! SELECT * FROM User WHERE Clue > 0 0 rows returned Save an Orange - Use the VCF!

Chris Meech

LOL. And you got one'd for it too. :cool: Chris Meech I am Canadian. [heard in a local bar] The America I believe in has always understood that natural harmony is only one meal away from monkey burgers. [Stan Shannon] GOOD DAY FOR: Bean counters, as the Australian Taxation Office said that prostitutes and strippers could claim tax deductions for adult toys and sexy lingerie. [Associated Press]

code frog 0

That's a very *ME* centered view. You assume that you have all the answers on what an O.S. should have then right? We should come to you or better yet Microsoft should come to CP for it's feature list? Do you think they just pluck these ideas out of the air or do you think their vast cash and human resources might have arrived at the list of features using some other means? I mean seriously, do you think they want to implement "stupid" features? - Rex

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Shog9 0

code-frog wrote:

People don't understand that they have a choice.

Sure i do. I choose to whine about something that - from my perspective - is unnecessary, and will likely make my life harder. Think about it - if we're starting out with 5 versions, then by the time we throw in a couple of service packs, browser upgrades, .NET versions, and the server additions, we're gonna be looking at a really confusing pile of slightly different installations. For what it's worth, i whined about the XP server-based authentication deal when it came out, and i stand by my opinion that it's annoying, painful, and benefits no-one but Microsoft. I like other things in XP, but that doesn't mean i need to forgive the stuff i hate.

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Judah Gabriel Himango

Why do you think Vista is crap, John? I've found it far better than XP or 2k. The account protection needs work, yeah, but generally I've found Vista to be a huge improvement over what we've got now.

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Marc Clifton

David Stone wrote:

How many of you who are openly bashing on Vista have actually used it for any serious length of time?

I think a lot of the issue is how Microsoft is positioning it and marketing it, not necessarily with the actual mechanics of using it. And frankly, I haven't heard one compelling reason from Microsoft, which is sad, no, pathetic. All I hear is about advertising experience, Aero Glass, and multimedia stuff. If I'm to say to my client, this is the operating system we should be targetting for our software, they're going to want to know why. What am I going to say? Because you and your entire customer base will need to spend thousands of dollars to upgrade your hardware so you can get a less "antiquated" experience? So, tell me why. Microsoft sure isn't. [edit]So, tried to delete a desktop shortcut of a system installed app yet? :laugh: [/edit] Marc Pensieve Some people believe what the bible says. Literally. At least [with Wikipedia] you have the chance to correct the wiki -- Jörgen Sigvardsson -- modified at 15:21 Friday 2nd June, 2006

Lost User

code-frog wrote:

Don't install it if you are going to bash stuff that's "In Beta"

Here I thought the entire point of Beta software was to get feedback from users... :rolleyes: "The trouble with jogging is that the ice falls out of your glass." - Martin Mull

Michael A Barnhart

Christopher Duncan wrote:

no compelling reason to upgrade to the new OS other than enhanced eye candy.

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Christopher Duncan wrote:

as will my word processor, spreadsheet, database, business accounting program, web browser and email.

YUP, but the new graphics may/will have enhanced options for the hackers.

Christopher Duncan wrote:

I will, ultimately, have to upgrade for the same reason that my studio runs XP - because some yahoo of a programmer will require me to do so.

Or that game your son paid a months salary on will only run on it. :) (Oh yes that is the programmer you mentioned. :doh: ) "Yes I know the voices are not real. But they have some pretty good ideas."

Christopher Duncan

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Christopher Duncan

W2K Pro, without a doubt. XP brings nothing of any significance to the party. And if your W2K crashes, you don't have to do the activation dance. Author of The Career Programmer and Unite the Tribes Know someone who desperately needs to get a clue? Visit www.DownloadAClue.com and send them one!

Zac Howland

I've used Vista a bit (got one of the beta versions for sending DDJ more money). I will just say this: Microsoft's final products are basically beta versions, which means that their "beta" versions are really alpha's. Expect problems when you use it. Also, expect that at least half of the "advertised" features will be cut out of the released product because they couldn't debug them (or even implement them at all) in time for the release. If you decide to become a software engineer, you are signing up to have a 1/2" piece of silicon tell you exactly how stupid you really are for 8 hours a day, 5 days a week Zac

Christopher Duncan

code-frog wrote:

That's a very *ME* centered view.

What other view should a consumer have? Author of The Career Programmer and Unite the Tribes Know someone who desperately needs to get a clue? Visit www.DownloadAClue.com and send them one!

code frog 0

And uh... CodeProject is the feedback forum? That's news to me. Feedback is slightly different it's a different context entirely. You can bash Microsoft in feedback to them all you want. Ripping on a product just to rip on it serves no purpose and wastes everyones time. If you feel strongly about it and you want it to be relevant to codeproject write a full-blown article discuss what you like and don't like. Remove the school-yard talk and make it something useable so that others can include it in stuff they are working on. If you aren't willing to take the time to fully investigate it, document your findings and provide feedback in the right channels you are out of line. It's that simple. - Rex

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Christopher Duncan

That's because it was crude, unimaginative, and in general not up to his typical standard of sardonic cleverness. :) Author of The Career Programmer and Unite the Tribes Know someone who desperately needs to get a clue? Visit www.DownloadAClue.com and send them one! -- modified at 15:25 Friday 2nd June, 2006

Michael A Barnhart

Got my 5, With XP and Office 2003, we had better team integration. For those enterprises(like my home) that did not do much team based work. Little benefit over using W2K and Office 97. Everthing else at home was image. not business functionality. I am not seeing much. yes I have Vista on one machine. No I have not used it much, so still is a could be. I should not have to search for days to find, oh here is a reason to spend thousands upgrading. "Yes I know the voices are not real. But they have some pretty good ideas."

code frog 0

Well now we are dicing over some pretty fine points. I think it's fine to say you don't like this or that. My whole case is be polite. Take the time, do the research make your comments well thought and provide good reasons for how you feel. "This sucks." isn't something I can take to the bank to get loans to upgrade my network with. My statements are not against well thought rational comments. My comments are directed at people who are just spouting off. They read it on a cereal box and it's now gospel. Stuff like that drives me nuts. There's a wad in XP I don't like then I spend a few days on Linux and I come back to XP and it feels very nice. Microsoft could release 10,000 different versions of Vista and people would still be pissed off. That's just ignorant. - Rex

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Christopher Duncan

Yeah, and that Toyota will still be getting you from A to B long after most of its contemporaries have chewed the root. They may not be sexy, but Toyotas rock from a quality point of view. Author of The Career Programmer and Unite the Tribes Know someone who desperately needs to get a clue? Visit www.DownloadAClue.com and send them one!