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  • L Lost User

    I disagree. 1. MS doesn't live in a vacuum, several of their employees frequent CP and the Lounge. 2. This is the Lounge - per Chris: "The Lounge is a place where you can discuss anything that takes your fancy. If you just want to laze about and discuss things that don't quite fit elsewhere, then this is the place." 3. Sometimes on public forums when you point out a percieved flaw in a product, someone else points out why you're wrong or provides a different perspective that makes you change your mind. 4. If you don't think an MS-centric development site forum is a good place for developers to chat about the biggest OS development in 5+ years coming from MS, well... maybe it's time to take a step back. "The trouble with jogging is that the ice falls out of your glass." - Martin Mull

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    code frog 0
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    I agree with that. It's not the chatting that bothers me. It's the people who are just repeating what they have heard. I think if you go read back through my comments you'll see that's the thread I'm spinning. I just hate it when someone says, "Yeah, Aero sucks." and they have not used it. Have not seen it in fact they really couldn't name one feature of Aero and yet they are just spouting crap. I'm not pro-aero or against it but if you are going to just wagon-bash it then save us all the time of reading your comments. Chatting about something casually is very different.


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      Oh... I don't know. One that says, "Yeah, I realize that Microsoft didn't write this exclusively for Christopher Duncan. So I'll put up with some stuff." However, if you come from a Linux background at all it would be cool if you could (just like with packages) keep what you want and shelve the rest. As long as I have all the candy on the CD's I can install/remove it on my own. Anyway, my perspective is just the cynic. I laugh really hard at the bashers because most of them will have Vista installed as soon as it's released and to me that's quite funny.


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      code-frog wrote:

      I laugh really hard at the bashers because most of them will have Vista installed as soon as it's released and to me that's quite funny.

      I'm sure you're right on target with that one. :baaaa!: will be :baaaa!:, won't they?

      code-frog wrote:

      Oh... I don't know. One that says, "Yeah, I realize that Microsoft didn't write this exclusively for Christopher Duncan.

      :omg: What kind of a primative, barbaric corporate culture would deliver a product without addressing this most critical of considerations? :laugh: Author of The Career Programmer and Unite the Tribes Know someone who desperately needs to get a clue? Visit www.DownloadAClue.com and send them one!

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        code-frog wrote:

        I think it's fine to say you don't like this or that. My whole case is be polite.

        Fair 'nuff. But you've gotta admit, when choosing which version to install promises to leave you confused and annoyed, it doesn't bode well for the rest of the experience. To use another product as an example: it's been several years since i've last touched Rational Robot (an automated testing tool). Our QA dept. still uses it, but i don't mess with it. And yet, three major releases later, i'll still bash it every chance i get, simply because of the madness that was required simply to get the thing to run (setting up a license server, dealing with a grumpy web-based license key manager, then dealing with the mess installing the license server made of whatever machine it was installed on, then dealing with whatever fixing the installation of the license server broke in your key repository...). The software itself had it's own share of problems, but none of them are burned into my memory in the same way that those encountered while installing that pieceofshit are.

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        Yeah, I've been there. I think most of the stuff from Rational really needs to be reworked. We had to use their whole test suite on C++ stuff ... made my colon ache. I just don't like it when people repeat what they've heard but not what they've experienced. That's the basis of my stand. The other part is if you want someone to take you seriously be very clear. * You didn't like what for what reason? * How does that reason have a negative impact on your experience? Etc, etc, etc... Spouting off with "This sucks." or "That sucks." is just schoolyard talk and it's drivel. Give some reasons.


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        • C Christopher Duncan

          code-frog wrote:

          I laugh really hard at the bashers because most of them will have Vista installed as soon as it's released and to me that's quite funny.

          I'm sure you're right on target with that one. :baaaa!: will be :baaaa!:, won't they?

          code-frog wrote:

          Oh... I don't know. One that says, "Yeah, I realize that Microsoft didn't write this exclusively for Christopher Duncan.

          :omg: What kind of a primative, barbaric corporate culture would deliver a product without addressing this most critical of considerations? :laugh: Author of The Career Programmer and Unite the Tribes Know someone who desperately needs to get a clue? Visit www.DownloadAClue.com and send them one!

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          :-D


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          • C Christopher Duncan

            That's because it was crude, unimaginative, and in general not up to his typical standard of sardonic cleverness. :) Author of The Career Programmer and Unite the Tribes Know someone who desperately needs to get a clue? Visit www.DownloadAClue.com and send them one! -- modified at 15:25 Friday 2nd June, 2006

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            It was reference to an identical post I made to the same guy in the soapbox, so I should at least get a 2 for subtlety, and a 3 for being able to use the same line twice without anyone knowing.

            "Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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            • D David Stone

              How many of you who are openly bashing on Vista have actually used it for any serious length of time? My own experience has been less than stellar, since Vista and my laptop seem to be at odds with each other...and the fact that the IT guys here at work won't add my machine to the domain if it's running a beta OS (out of my control). The UAC is great, IMO. I needed admin credentials to do things like install software (which I should need anyway) or change system settings, but not for most things that I wanted to do. And the Aero Glass experience is awesome. XP looks as antiquated as Windows 95 does now that I've experienced the new UI. And aside from the big things, there's a bunch of little things. Like when you rename a file in explorer, the selection doesn't include the extension. So if I want to rename "New Text Document.txt" to something else, only "New Text Document" is highlighted. That's ultra nice, IMO. Just wondering if you guys are actually speaking from experience when you say that "this sucks" or "that's worthless". Because, in my experience, I wouldn't say that about anything in Vista.

              And when we saw the computer, when we saw its code - and Turing saw it first - we were looking at complexity incarnate. And then suddenly we saw complexity everywhere. It materialized, it crystalized around us - even though it had always been there.
              We have yet to recover from the shock.

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              David Stone wrote:

              So if I want to rename "New Text Document.txt" to something else, only "New Text Document" is highlighted. That's ultra nice, IMO.

              Now, what would be Super Extremely Ultra Nice would be a way to change the extension of a whole bunch of files in one go, without changing the other parts of the name. You know, the sort of thing you can do easily from a decent command line, but probably can't remember the syntax for since you only need to do it once every few months.

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              • C Christopher Duncan

                Yeah, and that Toyota will still be getting you from A to B long after most of its contemporaries have chewed the root. They may not be sexy, but Toyotas rock from a quality point of view. Author of The Career Programmer and Unite the Tribes Know someone who desperately needs to get a clue? Visit www.DownloadAClue.com and send them one!

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                Christopher Duncan wrote:

                They may not be sexy, but Toyotas rock from a quality point of view.

                longevity might be a better word I guess. Regards, Nish


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                • realJSOPR realJSOP

                  It was reference to an identical post I made to the same guy in the soapbox, so I should at least get a 2 for subtlety, and a 3 for being able to use the same line twice without anyone knowing.

                  "Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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                  "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001

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                  John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:

                  and a 3 for being able to use the same line twice without anyone knowing

                  Hey, this is a programmer's hangout. We encourage code reuse! Perhaps you could provide an API as a service to those of less gifted and glaring wit? :-D Author of The Career Programmer and Unite the Tribes Know someone who desperately needs to get a clue? Visit www.DownloadAClue.com and send them one!

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                    Christopher Duncan wrote:

                    They may not be sexy, but Toyotas rock from a quality point of view.

                    longevity might be a better word I guess. Regards, Nish


                    Nish’s thoughts on MFC, C++/CLI and .NET (my blog)
                    Currently working on C++/CLI in Action for Manning Publications. Also visit the Ultimate Toolbox blog (New)

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                    Christopher Duncan
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                    The latter is a product of the former. ;) Author of The Career Programmer and Unite the Tribes Know someone who desperately needs to get a clue? Visit www.DownloadAClue.com and send them one!

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                    • realJSOPR realJSOP

                      You're from Brazil - what do you know?

                      "Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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                      "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001

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                      John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:

                      You're from Brazil - what do you know?

                      No, idiot. I'm proudly Italian. Didn't you bother looking at people's profile before firing away bullshit? Now, go back playing with your dolls. ______________________________________ Tozzi is right: Gaia is getting rid of us. My Blog [ITA] and the ScrewTurn Software experiment

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                      • D David Stone

                        How many of you who are openly bashing on Vista have actually used it for any serious length of time? My own experience has been less than stellar, since Vista and my laptop seem to be at odds with each other...and the fact that the IT guys here at work won't add my machine to the domain if it's running a beta OS (out of my control). The UAC is great, IMO. I needed admin credentials to do things like install software (which I should need anyway) or change system settings, but not for most things that I wanted to do. And the Aero Glass experience is awesome. XP looks as antiquated as Windows 95 does now that I've experienced the new UI. And aside from the big things, there's a bunch of little things. Like when you rename a file in explorer, the selection doesn't include the extension. So if I want to rename "New Text Document.txt" to something else, only "New Text Document" is highlighted. That's ultra nice, IMO. Just wondering if you guys are actually speaking from experience when you say that "this sucks" or "that's worthless". Because, in my experience, I wouldn't say that about anything in Vista.

                        And when we saw the computer, when we saw its code - and Turing saw it first - we were looking at complexity incarnate. And then suddenly we saw complexity everywhere. It materialized, it crystalized around us - even though it had always been there.
                        We have yet to recover from the shock.

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                        I keep XP on the Win2k scheme, find the XP scheme to space consuming and distracting. One good thing - MS keep supporting products for a long time. I think it was abotu a year ago they stopped continued support for NT4. The tigress is here :-D

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                        • C Christopher Duncan

                          Yeah, and that Toyota will still be getting you from A to B long after most of its contemporaries have chewed the root. They may not be sexy, but Toyotas rock from a quality point of view. Author of The Career Programmer and Unite the Tribes Know someone who desperately needs to get a clue? Visit www.DownloadAClue.com and send them one!

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                          Volvo has the high mileage record at over 2 million miles on a single car.

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                            John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:

                            and a 3 for being able to use the same line twice without anyone knowing

                            Hey, this is a programmer's hangout. We encourage code reuse! Perhaps you could provide an API as a service to those of less gifted and glaring wit? :-D Author of The Career Programmer and Unite the Tribes Know someone who desperately needs to get a clue? Visit www.DownloadAClue.com and send them one!

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                            Oooh! The John Simmons Web Service! Rock on! ¡El diablo está en mis pantalones! ¡Mire, mire! Real Mentats use only 100% pure, unfooled around with Sapho Juice(tm)! SELECT * FROM User WHERE Clue > 0 0 rows returned Save an Orange - Use the VCF!

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                            • D David Stone

                              How many of you who are openly bashing on Vista have actually used it for any serious length of time? My own experience has been less than stellar, since Vista and my laptop seem to be at odds with each other...and the fact that the IT guys here at work won't add my machine to the domain if it's running a beta OS (out of my control). The UAC is great, IMO. I needed admin credentials to do things like install software (which I should need anyway) or change system settings, but not for most things that I wanted to do. And the Aero Glass experience is awesome. XP looks as antiquated as Windows 95 does now that I've experienced the new UI. And aside from the big things, there's a bunch of little things. Like when you rename a file in explorer, the selection doesn't include the extension. So if I want to rename "New Text Document.txt" to something else, only "New Text Document" is highlighted. That's ultra nice, IMO. Just wondering if you guys are actually speaking from experience when you say that "this sucks" or "that's worthless". Because, in my experience, I wouldn't say that about anything in Vista.

                              And when we saw the computer, when we saw its code - and Turing saw it first - we were looking at complexity incarnate. And then suddenly we saw complexity everywhere. It materialized, it crystalized around us - even though it had always been there.
                              We have yet to recover from the shock.

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                              I tested it, and I don't know what the fuss is all about actually. It has some nice features (Aero, sidebar, Windows explorer looks good, download manager and tabbed I-net explorer). I wasn't able to test the Aero Glass feature though :^). The amzing thing is that it installed in about 15 or 20 minutes !:omg: What does amazes me, is that it takes soó long to release. Coulda, woulda, shoulda doesn't matter if you don't. :beer:
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                              • M Michael A Barnhart

                                Nishant Sivakumar wrote:

                                So when you buy cars, eye candy is a good enough reason

                                Um I am driving an all white 1997 Toyota Tacoma. Ok, I did splurg for the FM radio. It gets me from point a to point b. ;P "Yes I know the voices are not real. But they have some pretty good ideas."

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                                Michael A. Barnhart wrote:

                                It gets me from point a to point b.

                                "It is not the destination that makes the journey worthwhile." - proverb Besides I was there once (point b) it was very disappointing ;P

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                                  Crap is still crap - it doesn't matter what stage of its existance we're talking about...

                                  "Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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                                  "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001

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                                  John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:

                                  Crap is still crap

                                  Whew! I was worried that it wasn't! :laugh:

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                                    Volvo has the high mileage record at over 2 million miles on a single car.

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                                    That's because people who own Volvos drive 5 miles an hour. Author of The Career Programmer and Unite the Tribes Know someone who desperately needs to get a clue? Visit www.DownloadAClue.com and send them one!

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                                    • D Dario Solera

                                      John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:

                                      You're from Brazil - what do you know?

                                      No, idiot. I'm proudly Italian. Didn't you bother looking at people's profile before firing away bullshit? Now, go back playing with your dolls. ______________________________________ Tozzi is right: Gaia is getting rid of us. My Blog [ITA] and the ScrewTurn Software experiment

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                                      Christopher Duncan
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                                      Dario Solera wrote:

                                      proudly Italian

                                      Isn't that redundant? :-D Author of The Career Programmer and Unite the Tribes Know someone who desperately needs to get a clue? Visit www.DownloadAClue.com and send them one!

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                                      • C Christopher Duncan

                                        That's because people who own Volvos drive 5 miles an hour. Author of The Career Programmer and Unite the Tribes Know someone who desperately needs to get a clue? Visit www.DownloadAClue.com and send them one!

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                                        I've gone over 100 in mine. Purrs like a kitten.

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                                        • L led mike

                                          Michael A. Barnhart wrote:

                                          It gets me from point a to point b.

                                          "It is not the destination that makes the journey worthwhile." - proverb Besides I was there once (point b) it was very disappointing ;P

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                                          led mike wrote:

                                          It is not the destination that makes the journey worthwhile."

                                          Exactly, which is why I am happy taking twice the time and enjoying it.

                                          led mike wrote:

                                          Besides I was there once (point b) it was very disappointing

                                          Point B is my home. I am very please with it. :-D Sorry you are not as happy. ;P "Yes I know the voices are not real. But they have some pretty good ideas."

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