Minimum Wage
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led mike wrote:
When did I say that? You just keep making stuff up, that's what your good at.
Come on, now. Don't be a Vincent. Be honest.
Red Stateler wrote:
Come on, now. Don't be a Vincent. Be honest.
Your trolling has become clumsy and repetitive.
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No problem with what? I'm waiting for you to actually say something.
*jingle jingle*
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Being from Canada, which has a minimum wage, please allow me the opportunity to get a real-life example of how raising the minimum wage can be helpful. My brother was born with a pinched optic nerve, the results of which is, he cannot drive and must rely on public transportation to get to and from work. Since he did not want to 'live off of the system' and had a desire to work, he was able to find employment through a friend at a hardware store... his vision was good enough to see items, help customers, run the till, etc., and, because it did not require a lot of reading, he could keep pace with the other employees. Since this was a small business, privately owned, he was at the whim of the owner in terms of compensation. The owner's stated policies on getting a wage increase was: when you get married or have a child. Since he did not marry, he was at the same wage (barely above minimum) for 9 years... would any of us like to not get a wage increase for 9 years? Yes, capitalistic society claims "you can always get another job", but, what if you can't and the reasons are beyond your control? Raising the minimum wage was the only way for him to get a wage increase. Or, should he have resigned himself to collecting social assistance? Just my thoughts... Tim
That's exactly what I'm talking about. If you don't subscribe to the humanistic POW of actually helping someone in an unfortunate position, then you must at least understand the economical reasoning. (with 'you' I mean people opposed to the idea of some kind of 'redistribution' e.g. via minimum wages)
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Being from Canada, which has a minimum wage, please allow me the opportunity to get a real-life example of how raising the minimum wage can be helpful. My brother was born with a pinched optic nerve, the results of which is, he cannot drive and must rely on public transportation to get to and from work. Since he did not want to 'live off of the system' and had a desire to work, he was able to find employment through a friend at a hardware store... his vision was good enough to see items, help customers, run the till, etc., and, because it did not require a lot of reading, he could keep pace with the other employees. Since this was a small business, privately owned, he was at the whim of the owner in terms of compensation. The owner's stated policies on getting a wage increase was: when you get married or have a child. Since he did not marry, he was at the same wage (barely above minimum) for 9 years... would any of us like to not get a wage increase for 9 years? Yes, capitalistic society claims "you can always get another job", but, what if you can't and the reasons are beyond your control? Raising the minimum wage was the only way for him to get a wage increase. Or, should he have resigned himself to collecting social assistance? Just my thoughts... Tim
Tim Carmichael wrote:
Yes, capitalistic society claims "you can always get another job", but, what if you can't and the reasons are beyond your control?
So you're saying there's not another place in Canada that would hire someone with poor vision?
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Red Stateler wrote:
Come on, now. Don't be a Vincent. Be honest.
Your trolling has become clumsy and repetitive.
Kind of like how you consistenyl trip over your "beliefs" and contradict yourself.
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*jingle jingle*
How tediously repetitive.
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Tim Carmichael wrote:
Yes, capitalistic society claims "you can always get another job", but, what if you can't and the reasons are beyond your control?
So you're saying there's not another place in Canada that would hire someone with poor vision?
Red Stateler wrote:
So you're saying there's not another place in Canada that would hire someone with poor vision?
No, I'm saying he was unable to find other employement in the area we lived that was accessable by public transportation. And, economics being what they are, he couldn't save enough money to be able to move elsewhere to look for a job. He survived on the wage he made; he didn't thrive.
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led mike wrote:
When did I say that? You just keep making stuff up, that's what your good at.
Come on, now. Don't be a Vincent. Be honest.
Red Stateler wrote:
Be honest.
I'm serious. "Democracy is the worst form of government accept for all the others that have been tried". No reason to disbelieve that just because we have changed out some of the individuals. We still have a government that is bought and paid for by Corporate Lobbyists. We had like 6 more states that eroded freedom by outlawing gay marriage. We had how many people vote Democrat because of the war in Iraq that was started by the President those same people voted into office. Marijuana is still illegal while one states most controversial question was whether or not alcohol could be sold in grocery stores. I could go on and on but that wouldn't get us anywhere.
led mike
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Being from Canada, which has a minimum wage, please allow me the opportunity to get a real-life example of how raising the minimum wage can be helpful. My brother was born with a pinched optic nerve, the results of which is, he cannot drive and must rely on public transportation to get to and from work. Since he did not want to 'live off of the system' and had a desire to work, he was able to find employment through a friend at a hardware store... his vision was good enough to see items, help customers, run the till, etc., and, because it did not require a lot of reading, he could keep pace with the other employees. Since this was a small business, privately owned, he was at the whim of the owner in terms of compensation. The owner's stated policies on getting a wage increase was: when you get married or have a child. Since he did not marry, he was at the same wage (barely above minimum) for 9 years... would any of us like to not get a wage increase for 9 years? Yes, capitalistic society claims "you can always get another job", but, what if you can't and the reasons are beyond your control? Raising the minimum wage was the only way for him to get a wage increase. Or, should he have resigned himself to collecting social assistance? Just my thoughts... Tim
Fools like red believe that your brother's problems are because he has a flawed character.:rolleyes:
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Stan Shannon wrote:
You're a better man than me, I'd throw democracy out in a heart beat to be shed of these leftist bastards
Not me. I firmly believe that people are capable of governing themselves, but part of that governance requires a deeper understanding of the consequences of ideologies and therefore honest debate. Conservatism has already largely prevailed. My primary concern has always been the fact that we lived in the midst of a constitutional crisis that was largely ignored by the public and actively endorsed by the left. Namely, judicial activism derived from the notion that the constitution is flexible and that law is arbitrary. The single most important task of the president was to purge the supreme court of that sort of thinking and he successfully did that. Yes, I disagree with leftist laws (especially since they're often unconstitutional), but I don't go berzerk when they win now and then. I do, however, go berzerk when they exploit the legal system in order to legislate laws that didn't originate from a legislature. That it downright tyrannous. I believe the only thing left for conservatives (besides finalizing a judicial cleanup) is to break up the education system's left-ideological monopoly which pumps out brainwashed leftists by the boatload.
Red Stateler wrote:
the education system's left-ideological monopoly which pumps out brainwashed leftists by the boatload.
It has been a few years since I was in school but I had no shortage of conservative professors. Not Social Conservatives, real ones.
led mike
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How tediously repetitive.
And deliciously shiney!
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Red Stateler wrote:
Be honest.
I'm serious. "Democracy is the worst form of government accept for all the others that have been tried". No reason to disbelieve that just because we have changed out some of the individuals. We still have a government that is bought and paid for by Corporate Lobbyists. We had like 6 more states that eroded freedom by outlawing gay marriage. We had how many people vote Democrat because of the war in Iraq that was started by the President those same people voted into office. Marijuana is still illegal while one states most controversial question was whether or not alcohol could be sold in grocery stores. I could go on and on but that wouldn't get us anywhere.
led mike
Oh, so you are in fact against Democracy whether or not Democrats or Republicans are in power so long as that democracy constradicts your own interests. I guess I underestimated you.
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So, your willing to throw out democracy to 'win'. If your willing to become the 'evil whore' to beat the 'evil whore', what exactly have you won?
oilFactotum wrote:
what exactly have you won?
There is nothing left to win. My own political ideals may be a lost cause, but at least I can help prevent the Marxist from achieving theirs.
Thank God for disproportional force.
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Red Stateler wrote:
So you're saying there's not another place in Canada that would hire someone with poor vision?
No, I'm saying he was unable to find other employement in the area we lived that was accessable by public transportation. And, economics being what they are, he couldn't save enough money to be able to move elsewhere to look for a job. He survived on the wage he made; he didn't thrive.
So why didn't you help him out and drive him to another job each day?
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Oh, so you are in fact against Democracy whether or not Democrats or Republicans are in power so long as that democracy constradicts your own interests. I guess I underestimated you.
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Being from Canada, which has a minimum wage, please allow me the opportunity to get a real-life example of how raising the minimum wage can be helpful. My brother was born with a pinched optic nerve, the results of which is, he cannot drive and must rely on public transportation to get to and from work. Since he did not want to 'live off of the system' and had a desire to work, he was able to find employment through a friend at a hardware store... his vision was good enough to see items, help customers, run the till, etc., and, because it did not require a lot of reading, he could keep pace with the other employees. Since this was a small business, privately owned, he was at the whim of the owner in terms of compensation. The owner's stated policies on getting a wage increase was: when you get married or have a child. Since he did not marry, he was at the same wage (barely above minimum) for 9 years... would any of us like to not get a wage increase for 9 years? Yes, capitalistic society claims "you can always get another job", but, what if you can't and the reasons are beyond your control? Raising the minimum wage was the only way for him to get a wage increase. Or, should he have resigned himself to collecting social assistance? Just my thoughts... Tim
So everyone must suffer economically just so that your brother can recieve welfare without it being called welfare? He is just as much 'living off the system' within a system of minimum wage as he would be if he were recieving some sort of social welfare. It is just disguised to make everyone feel all warm and fuzzy. In other words, it is yet another leftist lie.
Thank God for disproportional force.
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Red Stateler wrote:
the education system's left-ideological monopoly which pumps out brainwashed leftists by the boatload.
It has been a few years since I was in school but I had no shortage of conservative professors. Not Social Conservatives, real ones.
led mike
Wow. You must be REALLY liberal!
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Kind of like how you consistenyl trip over your "beliefs" and contradict yourself.
Red Stateler wrote:
Kind of like how you consistenyl trip over your "beliefs" and contradict yourself.
Kind of like how you consistently make clueless accusations without any supporting evidence.
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Wow. You must be REALLY liberal!
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So why didn't you help him out and drive him to another job each day?
Red Stateler wrote:
So why didn't you help him out and drive him to another job each day?
Hmmm... let's see... I didn't have a car at the time, so I couldn't drive him. And when I did have a car, I was working in another city 300 miles away. Oh, and before you ask, I was not making enough of a wage myself to support him while he looked for another job.