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peterchen wrote:
isn't about your personal level of acceptance.
Not to mention that over here at least, someone could be offended by this if they happen to be watching over your shoulder while you're at work.
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Jeremy Falcon wrote:
someone could be offended by this if they happen to be watching over your shoulder while you're at work.
It really depends on the company. At my current company the people my my office wouldn't be offended by this - I'm sure most people have a lot worse on their PCs anyway. There are a few in HQ that wouldn't find it acceptable (but there is a big cultural difference between the two offices) I recon that if I showed that in my office and people saw I'd get a crowed either asking to have the link emailed, or asking if I can turn the sound up.
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Well they both aren't, but that's really moot. What I love is people defending it (like my new shiny down-vote). I mean, this ain't a question of how you feel about it (not you, generalizing), it's a question of where it belongs and that is the SB.
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Jeremy Falcon wrote:
I mean, this ain't a question of how you feel about it (not you, generalizing), it's a question of where it belongs and that is the SB.
My personal opinion is that this is borderline - If I'd posted the link I would have gone for the SB just to be on the safe side although I would not (am not) offended by it being in the lounge.
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Harald Krause wrote:
Only the liberal open minded people.
Grow up. You aren't superior just because you think these videos are ok for kids to watch.
Harald Krause wrote:
but we shipped most of them off to the USA a few hundred years ago...
Which shows how stupid YOU are. We left retard because the place sucked.
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Jeremy Falcon wrote:
Harald Krause wrote: Only the liberal open minded people. Grow up. You aren't superior just because you think these videos are ok for kids to watch.
I think he was saying that the people, in general, are more open minded.
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
Harald Krause wrote: but we shipped most of them off to the USA a few hundred years ago... Which shows how stupid YOU are. We left retard because the place sucked.
Well, if you want to think that then that's up to you. However, I feel that your statement shows a level of arrogance and ignorance that I wouldn't have expected of you. As a for instance, a woman called the Countess of Sutherland (Sutherland is where my ancestors come from) instigated the Highland Clearances. People were forced off the land. They had no choice. If they stayed her factor and his hench men would burn the crofts (the style of house in the Highlands) to the ground. Some of the people were absorbed in to the cities. Most fled to North America. Similar things were happening all over Europe at the time. They did NOT go by choice!
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It can't be any worse than the builder's crack I had to contend with at lunch time. We went to a cheap restaurant for lunch and at the table opposite was the most horrendous pastey white builders bum cleavage pushing its way out of a pair of jeans. One of my colleagues suggested we should ask the waiter for a plate of peanuts to see if we could score points.
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I agree completely, but I'm too tired to get drawn into this with Jeremy again. Just don't start new threads in the Lounge anymore unless all participants are covered from head to toe in a full abaya with matching niqab, and speaking Queen's English, that way you can't offend anyones feelings. Heaven forbid the PC crowd start crying offense though - then we're all fucked.
Colin Angus Mackay wrote:
One of my colleagues suggested we should ask the waiter for a plate of peanuts to see if we could score points.
I don't suppose it was a cheap sushi restaurant? ;) Failing that, a nice cold knife handle or a swizzle stick make for a fine reminder that no one wants to see your bum while they are eating. Not even your mother.
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Jeremy Falcon wrote:
Maximilien wrote: you think that nudity is what makes those 2 short films SB material ? Yup. I don't think kids need to be watching that.
I think the violence is more disturbing that the nudity. There are lots of violent programmes on TV, yet show a bit of nature and it has warnings before the show, when the adverts finish and it gets put on TV after 10 and people want it banned.
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
Well, I didn't finish the videos so I don't know if they got worse or not.
There was mild non-sexual nudity in the first video only. I would say that on the nudity front it was PG rated. On the violence front I'd give it a 12A. (12A means that 12 years and up can watch it, and under 12s if accompanied by an adult)
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You're wasting your time Colin, Jeremy doesn't care for other peoples opinions. No matter how outweighed he is, he is the only one with the balls to represent the correct side of any argument and the rest of us are just typical immoral cowards. I value his one even more than the others. He is right, let him have it and this thread will disapear. Even the thread he created to talk about this thread will dissapear. And then we can get back to behaving like adults.
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I agree completely, but I'm too tired to get drawn into this with Jeremy again. Just don't start new threads in the Lounge anymore unless all participants are covered from head to toe in a full abaya with matching niqab, and speaking Queen's English, that way you can't offend anyones feelings. Heaven forbid the PC crowd start crying offense though - then we're all fucked.
Colin Angus Mackay wrote:
One of my colleagues suggested we should ask the waiter for a plate of peanuts to see if we could score points.
I don't suppose it was a cheap sushi restaurant? ;) Failing that, a nice cold knife handle or a swizzle stick make for a fine reminder that no one wants to see your bum while they are eating. Not even your mother.
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I'm so gangsta I eat cereal without the milkDavid Wulff wrote:
I don't suppose it was a cheap sushi restaurant?
Yes... How did you guess?
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David Wulff wrote:
I don't suppose it was a cheap sushi restaurant?
Yes... How did you guess?
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Cold, hard, and very unpleasant experience. :sigh:
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Jeremy Falcon wrote:
Maximilien wrote: you think that nudity is what makes those 2 short films SB material ? Yup. I don't think kids need to be watching that.
I think the violence is more disturbing that the nudity. There are lots of violent programmes on TV, yet show a bit of nature and it has warnings before the show, when the adverts finish and it gets put on TV after 10 and people want it banned.
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
Well, I didn't finish the videos so I don't know if they got worse or not.
There was mild non-sexual nudity in the first video only. I would say that on the nudity front it was PG rated. On the violence front I'd give it a 12A. (12A means that 12 years and up can watch it, and under 12s if accompanied by an adult)
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Colin Angus Mackay wrote:
I think the violence is more disturbing that the nudity.
That is your opinion and I can respect that. FWIW, you don't and won't see me post violent videos in the lounge. But, regardless, it is a controversial topic and it should go in the SB. Refer to my anti-religious example for more, just so you know I'm not playing hypocrite.
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You're wasting your time Colin, Jeremy doesn't care for other peoples opinions. No matter how outweighed he is, he is the only one with the balls to represent the correct side of any argument and the rest of us are just typical immoral cowards. I value his one even more than the others. He is right, let him have it and this thread will disapear. Even the thread he created to talk about this thread will dissapear. And then we can get back to behaving like adults.
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I'm so gangsta I eat cereal without the milkDavid Wulff wrote:
You're wasting your time Colin, Jeremy doesn't care for other peoples opinions.
David, sometimes I wonder if you'll ever learn. When have I EVER disrespected your believes unless my were disrespected first and I was just pissed off or something? Not many. How much objectionable stuff (that I think is ok) do you see me post in the lounge, not much? Really David, you need to look past your own bias and hate if you ever plan on becoming wise.
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You can see an old man's bum. That's sacrilege is some parts of the world!
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I'm so gangsta I eat cereal without the milkDavid Wulff wrote:
You can see an old man's bum.
It's not just the bum, but yeah it's the nudity aspect of it that's already been addressed up yonder.
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Jeremy Falcon wrote:
So you think all of Europe thinks like you? That's a nice lump sum statement if I ever heard of it.
So what is actually in the video? What makes it not work safe.
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Colin Angus Mackay wrote:
What makes it not work safe.
The nudity. For one, people can get a trouble over here for watching that at work and getting caught. For two, kids don't need to be watching it for a lot of reasons, but I'll keep that list for an SB discussion one day.
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Jeremy Falcon wrote:
So you think all of Europe thinks like you? That's a nice lump sum statement if I ever heard of it.
So what is actually in the video? What makes it not work safe.
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Keep in mind I didn't watch the entire videos. I stopped after after the old dude came into the scene. If it got really violent after that, I am not aware of it.
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Jeremy Falcon wrote:
I mean, this ain't a question of how you feel about it (not you, generalizing), it's a question of where it belongs and that is the SB.
My personal opinion is that this is borderline - If I'd posted the link I would have gone for the SB just to be on the safe side although I would not (am not) offended by it being in the lounge.
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Colin Angus Mackay wrote:
If I'd posted the link I would have gone for the SB just to be on the safe side although I would not (am not) offended by it being in the lounge.
That's the whole point. I'm not offended by some stuff I won't say in the lounge either. And yet, I still don't post it in the lounge. The point is, a lot of people do find it offensive. My main point is nudity, sex, etc. is the only controversial subject that doesn't get automatically shunned here (notice the thread is still not in the SB) and it's sad to see such blatant hypocrisy. Sad enough in fact I considered leaving CP at several points (no, I'm not threatening to do so like some retards, just saying my thoughts on the matter). I will say, if the people of CP don't stand up for what's right, then I'm really just starting to care less about this community and the stupidity behind it.
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Colin Angus Mackay wrote:
If I'd posted the link I would have gone for the SB just to be on the safe side although I would not (am not) offended by it being in the lounge.
That's the whole point. I'm not offended by some stuff I won't say in the lounge either. And yet, I still don't post it in the lounge. The point is, a lot of people do find it offensive. My main point is nudity, sex, etc. is the only controversial subject that doesn't get automatically shunned here (notice the thread is still not in the SB) and it's sad to see such blatant hypocrisy. Sad enough in fact I considered leaving CP at several points (no, I'm not threatening to do so like some retards, just saying my thoughts on the matter). I will say, if the people of CP don't stand up for what's right, then I'm really just starting to care less about this community and the stupidity behind it.
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Jeremy Falcon wrote:
My main point is nudity, sex, etc
Nudity is not wrong - we were all born nude and it weren't for the repression our culture instills in us we would continue to be nude. There is no sex in the clip. All nudity was asexual. It would be like demanding that a nature program clothe a bear or monkey.
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
it's sad to see such blatant hypocrisy
Who is being a hypocrit? I read your other post and I still don't get who is being hypocritical.
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
I will say, if the people of CP don't stand up for what's right
How do you define "what is right"? Everyone has different ideas. CP has to cater for many cultures so some tolerance at the boundaries is needed by all.
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Jeremy Falcon wrote:
My main point is nudity, sex, etc
Nudity is not wrong - we were all born nude and it weren't for the repression our culture instills in us we would continue to be nude. There is no sex in the clip. All nudity was asexual. It would be like demanding that a nature program clothe a bear or monkey.
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
it's sad to see such blatant hypocrisy
Who is being a hypocrit? I read your other post and I still don't get who is being hypocritical.
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
I will say, if the people of CP don't stand up for what's right
How do you define "what is right"? Everyone has different ideas. CP has to cater for many cultures so some tolerance at the boundaries is needed by all.
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Colin Angus Mackay wrote:
Nudity is not wrong
Yeah it is, especially for children. Either way you're looking to argue so much you're still missing the point. It doesn't matter if you personally find it wrong or not. You do not represent everyone here. We all do collectively. There's a lot of things you find offensive that I don't, and yet I do not promote or condone this in the lounge either. You can say you think it's ok to show kids naked people until you're blue in the face. It won't change the fact not everyone agrees with you and anyone with half a brain knows this is a controversial topic.
Colin Angus Mackay wrote:
Who is being a hypocrit? I read your other post and I still don't get who is being hypocritical.
Read it again. I'm tired of reiterating myself just so people can not listen to only jump the gun to get to hurry up and argue with me some more.
Colin Angus Mackay wrote:
How do you define "what is right"? Everyone has different ideas. CP has to cater for many cultures so some tolerance at the boundaries is needed by all.
Way to miss my point... again.
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David Wulff wrote:
You're wasting your time Colin, Jeremy doesn't care for other peoples opinions.
David, sometimes I wonder if you'll ever learn. When have I EVER disrespected your believes unless my were disrespected first and I was just pissed off or something? Not many. How much objectionable stuff (that I think is ok) do you see me post in the lounge, not much? Really David, you need to look past your own bias and hate if you ever plan on becoming wise.
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The problem is Jeremy, you answered your question in your first paragraph.
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Colin Angus Mackay wrote:
Nudity is not wrong
Yeah it is, especially for children. Either way you're looking to argue so much you're still missing the point. It doesn't matter if you personally find it wrong or not. You do not represent everyone here. We all do collectively. There's a lot of things you find offensive that I don't, and yet I do not promote or condone this in the lounge either. You can say you think it's ok to show kids naked people until you're blue in the face. It won't change the fact not everyone agrees with you and anyone with half a brain knows this is a controversial topic.
Colin Angus Mackay wrote:
Who is being a hypocrit? I read your other post and I still don't get who is being hypocritical.
Read it again. I'm tired of reiterating myself just so people can not listen to only jump the gun to get to hurry up and argue with me some more.
Colin Angus Mackay wrote:
How do you define "what is right"? Everyone has different ideas. CP has to cater for many cultures so some tolerance at the boundaries is needed by all.
Way to miss my point... again.
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Jeremy Falcon wrote:
Colin Angus Mackay wrote: Nudity is not wrong Yeah it is, especially for children.
Until children are born fully clothed nudity is not now, not ever wrong. It is because people get repressed that they think it is wrong.
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
You do not represent everyone here.
Neither do you - Who are you to tell everyone what is and is not acceptable? It seems to me by reading the posts that most disagree with you. Of course, that does not make "them" right. Nor does it make you right either. I don't like the government of my country - However, they were elected in to office. I cannot write to the Queen and tell her that I don't agree with her government and she should disolve parliament and expect her to act on that letter, just because someone somewhere disagrees. I have to accept the will of the majority.
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
It won't change the fact not everyone agrees with you
And it won't change the fact that not everyone agrees with you either.
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Jeremy Falcon wrote:
Colin Angus Mackay wrote: Nudity is not wrong Yeah it is, especially for children.
Until children are born fully clothed nudity is not now, not ever wrong. It is because people get repressed that they think it is wrong.
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
You do not represent everyone here.
Neither do you - Who are you to tell everyone what is and is not acceptable? It seems to me by reading the posts that most disagree with you. Of course, that does not make "them" right. Nor does it make you right either. I don't like the government of my country - However, they were elected in to office. I cannot write to the Queen and tell her that I don't agree with her government and she should disolve parliament and expect her to act on that letter, just because someone somewhere disagrees. I have to accept the will of the majority.
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
It won't change the fact not everyone agrees with you
And it won't change the fact that not everyone agrees with you either.
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Colin Angus Mackay wrote:
Until children are born fully clothed nudity is not now, not ever wrong. It is because people get repressed that they think it is wrong.
This is your opinion and doesn't have anything to do with my point. Why can't you see this? You're too busy trying to make me see your views rather than even address my point.
Colin Angus Mackay wrote:
Neither do you - Who are you to tell everyone what is and is not acceptable?
I'm someone that's more fair than you obviously. And I'm not the only one, just pay attention to the lounge.
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Colin Angus Mackay wrote:
Until children are born fully clothed nudity is not now, not ever wrong. It is because people get repressed that they think it is wrong.
This is your opinion and doesn't have anything to do with my point. Why can't you see this? You're too busy trying to make me see your views rather than even address my point.
Colin Angus Mackay wrote:
Neither do you - Who are you to tell everyone what is and is not acceptable?
I'm someone that's more fair than you obviously. And I'm not the only one, just pay attention to the lounge.
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Jeremy Falcon wrote:
This is your opinion
I'm sure there is plenty of empiracle evidence that children are born nude.
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
You're too busy trying to make me see your views rather than even address my point.
No, I'm addressing your point by pointing out that it is invalid because you, and others like you, are repressed individuals. The following photos are taken in Edinburgh City Centre on St. Andews Square. They are of statues that have been there for decades (the style of the building suggests 1920s) * http://www.flickr.com/photos/colinangusmackay/41942187/in/set-72501/[^] * http://www.flickr.com/photos/colinangusmackay/41941917/in/set-72501/[^] You probably don't want to click on the links becuase by your standards they are extremely offensive and you'd probably petition Edinburgh City council to tear them down to protect the children. I'm showing them to you (or at least telling you about them - it is your choice to click the link) to save you the bother of even visiting Edinburgh because I just know you'll be offended and I really would not want anyone visiting my home town and get offended by anything because it really is such a nice place, expecially at this time of year with everything they put on for the kids.
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
I'm someone that's more fair than you obviously.
"Help! Help! I'm being repressed!" - Monty Python's Quest for the Holy Grail.
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Jeremy Falcon wrote:
This is your opinion
I'm sure there is plenty of empiracle evidence that children are born nude.
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
You're too busy trying to make me see your views rather than even address my point.
No, I'm addressing your point by pointing out that it is invalid because you, and others like you, are repressed individuals. The following photos are taken in Edinburgh City Centre on St. Andews Square. They are of statues that have been there for decades (the style of the building suggests 1920s) * http://www.flickr.com/photos/colinangusmackay/41942187/in/set-72501/[^] * http://www.flickr.com/photos/colinangusmackay/41941917/in/set-72501/[^] You probably don't want to click on the links becuase by your standards they are extremely offensive and you'd probably petition Edinburgh City council to tear them down to protect the children. I'm showing them to you (or at least telling you about them - it is your choice to click the link) to save you the bother of even visiting Edinburgh because I just know you'll be offended and I really would not want anyone visiting my home town and get offended by anything because it really is such a nice place, expecially at this time of year with everything they put on for the kids.
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
I'm someone that's more fair than you obviously.
"Help! Help! I'm being repressed!" - Monty Python's Quest for the Holy Grail.
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Colin Angus Mackay wrote:
No, I'm addressing your point by pointing out that it is invalid because you, and others like you, are repressed individuals.
Are you really this stupid?
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