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I've asked for advice here about source control for my VB.NET web application. I'd like to use something that integrates into VS2005. Many people recommend that I do not use Visual Source Safe, but instead use SubVersion with AnkhSVN and Tortoise. Does anyone like Visual Source Safe? What makes SubVersion so much better?
zjspeed wrote:
What makes SubVersion so much better?
It works, whereas VSS doesn't? Marc
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I've asked for advice here about source control for my VB.NET web application. I'd like to use something that integrates into VS2005. Many people recommend that I do not use Visual Source Safe, but instead use SubVersion with AnkhSVN and Tortoise. Does anyone like Visual Source Safe? What makes SubVersion so much better?
People usually like VSS until after the first time they get a corrupted repository and either have to rebuilt it, or recover from backup.
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zjspeed wrote:
What makes SubVersion so much better?
I tend to forget, since i don't spend that much time using Subversion. But then i remember - i like it because it doesn't make me spend a lot of time using it. :cool: A few weeks ago, i ended up doing a huge merge in our SourceSafe database, using the SourceOffSite client (because the SourceSafe client is just too awful for words). It took me nearly seven hours to merge the changes from one branch to another, and nearly a half hour just to check them in. That's the sort of quality time that'll just make me hate an application...
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I've asked for advice here about source control for my VB.NET web application. I'd like to use something that integrates into VS2005. Many people recommend that I do not use Visual Source Safe, but instead use SubVersion with AnkhSVN and Tortoise. Does anyone like Visual Source Safe? What makes SubVersion so much better?
zjspeed wrote:
Does anyone like Visual Source Safe?
:omg: I've been fighting with Visual Source Safe all week. It is the most irritating Microsoft product I have ever had to deal with. We have Team System at work and I'm just waiting for VSS to be changed over to the source control in Team System. In VSS's favour I will say that if you have a stable project that only requires changes to existing files, maybe the odd extra file here or there (but no new projects, solutions, etc.) it works fine and I'm very happy with it. But beyond simple check in and check out of files... :sigh:
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So, does SubVersion with AnkhSVN integrate into VS2005 really well? Is it hosted on a separate server? Is it a good tool for a team of two programmers?
Well you are going to want to host Subversion on a separate server so that both of you can access it. And yes, Ankh works incredibly well. They're approaching 1.0, and they've got pretty much everything you'll need on a day to day basis. For everything else, there's Tortoise, which is awesome. And it's a good tool for any team of programmers. 1 person, 2 people, or a bazillion. (Okay, you might have some issues with a bazillion programmers...but you get my point. ;))
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I've asked for advice here about source control for my VB.NET web application. I'd like to use something that integrates into VS2005. Many people recommend that I do not use Visual Source Safe, but instead use SubVersion with AnkhSVN and Tortoise. Does anyone like Visual Source Safe? What makes SubVersion so much better?
VSS is fine. It can be frustrating but for what you need sourcecontrol for its pretty good. I'm not sure paying for something more is worth it but it depends on what you looking for.
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You really should try them again. When did you last use Subversion?
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Three weeks ago. I tried them mainly as VSS replacement, but finally figured purchasing three additional licences was "cheaper" than migrating and retraining. Explorability was a bit of a letdown, and handling is too different. Maybe we are a weird job, Get-Edit-Merge? Heck, I tried to allow concurrent checkouts, but everyone omplained and wanted exclusive checkout back. I tried to keep it for personal use, but I'm back at ZipStudio[^]
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Well you are going to want to host Subversion on a separate server so that both of you can access it. And yes, Ankh works incredibly well. They're approaching 1.0, and they've got pretty much everything you'll need on a day to day basis. For everything else, there's Tortoise, which is awesome. And it's a good tool for any team of programmers. 1 person, 2 people, or a bazillion. (Okay, you might have some issues with a bazillion programmers...but you get my point. ;))
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I used Ankh for a while, but I sometimes need to modify the files from an external program, and Ankh simply doesn't notice it, so you have to use Tortoise. I do this kind of stuff quite frequently, so using Ankh is a pain. It would be nice if Ankh detected changes not made by VS but by other applications.
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I've asked for advice here about source control for my VB.NET web application. I'd like to use something that integrates into VS2005. Many people recommend that I do not use Visual Source Safe, but instead use SubVersion with AnkhSVN and Tortoise. Does anyone like Visual Source Safe? What makes SubVersion so much better?
zjspeed wrote:
What makes SubVersion so much better?
Three thousand billion additional features? It's spelled Subversion by the way (no capital V). VSS is the ONLY SCM product I've used that has ever lost checkins. Right after it did that (twice within a week), I switched to CVS. I was on CVS for 6 years, before I switched to Subversion. Last time I checked, VSS required you to lock files in order to edit them. Subversion doesn't, which is definately a plus. Subversion has SUPERIOR tagging and branching mechanisms compared to VSS. The TortoisSVN plugin for the Windows Explorer has some really nice gems, but one stands out in particular: the conflict editor. If you have a conflict due to contradicting checkins, the conflict editor makes sorting out the conflicts a breeze.
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Three weeks ago. I tried them mainly as VSS replacement, but finally figured purchasing three additional licences was "cheaper" than migrating and retraining. Explorability was a bit of a letdown, and handling is too different. Maybe we are a weird job, Get-Edit-Merge? Heck, I tried to allow concurrent checkouts, but everyone omplained and wanted exclusive checkout back. I tried to keep it for personal use, but I'm back at ZipStudio[^]
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Explorability
:confused: Repo-browser?
peterchen wrote:
Get-Edit-Merge?
The one and only way...
peterchen wrote:
Heck, I tried to allow concurrent checkouts, but everyone omplained and wanted exclusive checkout back.
But why??
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peterchen wrote:
Explorability
:confused: Repo-browser?
peterchen wrote:
Get-Edit-Merge?
The one and only way...
peterchen wrote:
Heck, I tried to allow concurrent checkouts, but everyone omplained and wanted exclusive checkout back.
But why??
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Joergen Sigvardsson wrote:
Repo-browser?
Sorry, I meant "figuring out how to use it by exploring the UI".
Joergen Sigvardsson wrote:
But why??
No Merge maybe. Even with better merge tools than VSS builtin, it's still a source of mistakes.
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I've asked for advice here about source control for my VB.NET web application. I'd like to use something that integrates into VS2005. Many people recommend that I do not use Visual Source Safe, but instead use SubVersion with AnkhSVN and Tortoise. Does anyone like Visual Source Safe? What makes SubVersion so much better?
SourceSafe works well enough for small projects, provided you properly manage the database. For large databases, it's simply too fragile, and it's sadly lacking in its implementation of features such as pinning and branching is pretty poor. For all its many flaws, one thing I'll say in VSS's favour is that the UI is straightforward and easy to pick up. It's also been largely project (rather than file) orientated since day 1 - something that took a long time to become the norm among SCC systems. SourceGear Vault is a far better alternative if you value your data and are comfortable in the VSS UI.
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peterchen wrote:
Explorability
:confused: Repo-browser?
peterchen wrote:
Get-Edit-Merge?
The one and only way...
peterchen wrote:
Heck, I tried to allow concurrent checkouts, but everyone omplained and wanted exclusive checkout back.
But why??
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Joergen Sigvardsson wrote:
peterchen wrote:
Get-Edit-Merge?
The one and only way...
Not necessarily. With normal coding, if you're a one (or even two or three) person team, then exclusive checkout is fine. The other case where exclusive checkout is fine is if you have a highly cohesive architecture, with work allocation split along architectural lines. Then, it's likely that the people working on the team won't have checkout collisions.
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I've asked for advice here about source control for my VB.NET web application. I'd like to use something that integrates into VS2005. Many people recommend that I do not use Visual Source Safe, but instead use SubVersion with AnkhSVN and Tortoise. Does anyone like Visual Source Safe? What makes SubVersion so much better?
I've used it a lot - I'd use it for small teams (two or three max). And also, don't put it on a network share...I've only ever had corruption when my SourceSafe database is on a network share. I like it when using VS2003+, because of the integration. However, for my team at work, I'm planning on us moving to Subversion in the New Year - we've got about 10 people on the team, and I don't trust VSS for that many people. I've used Subversion on OS X and find it OK to use. The other SCM system I've used much is Dimensions[^], when working on our embedded systems teams. It's a bit heavy weight, though!
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zjspeed wrote:
What makes SubVersion so much better?
Three thousand billion additional features? It's spelled Subversion by the way (no capital V). VSS is the ONLY SCM product I've used that has ever lost checkins. Right after it did that (twice within a week), I switched to CVS. I was on CVS for 6 years, before I switched to Subversion. Last time I checked, VSS required you to lock files in order to edit them. Subversion doesn't, which is definately a plus. Subversion has SUPERIOR tagging and branching mechanisms compared to VSS. The TortoisSVN plugin for the Windows Explorer has some really nice gems, but one stands out in particular: the conflict editor. If you have a conflict due to contradicting checkins, the conflict editor makes sorting out the conflicts a breeze.
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Joergen Sigvardsson wrote:
VSS required you to lock files in order to edit them
It doesn't mandate exclusive checkout anymore.
Joergen Sigvardsson wrote:
If you have a conflict due to contradicting checkins
Of course, if you do use exclusive checkout, then conflicts aren't a problem :-D
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Joergen Sigvardsson wrote:
VSS required you to lock files in order to edit them
It doesn't mandate exclusive checkout anymore.
Joergen Sigvardsson wrote:
If you have a conflict due to contradicting checkins
Of course, if you do use exclusive checkout, then conflicts aren't a problem :-D
Stuart Dootson wrote:
Of course, if you do use exclusive checkout, then conflicts aren't a problem
Conflicts of interest... ;)
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