where do they find these web developers???
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The Grand Negus wrote:
And that situation doesn't suggest a serious miscalculation, by someone, somewhere along the way?
If you want to say it will hurt them, no. If you sa it is stupid to design a company this way, yes.
The Grand Negus wrote:
What I'm concerned about is that we're not properly nurturing the technological skills in young people that are necessary to advance (or even maintain) a technological society.
Right, but: Technology became much more complex, your V8 dis-and-reassembling friends would look under a todays cars hood, they'd say "Whoa! Way too complicated for me! I think I'll go shoot some deer." Your implication that this is dangerous for our tech-driven society is dangerous is 100% on spot. I don't see that very black either, because the art of technology has been in the hands of few throughout all ages, and I trust that this and the next generation will still contain the 2% or 3% of gifted individuals that you can't stop or destroy, whatever education system you throw at them. And they'll keep driving technology forward. We are quickly losing the "Grade B" guys, the second rank, that makes the great ideas happen for everybody.
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Technology became much more complex, your V8 dis-and-reassembling friends would look under a todays cars hood, they'd say "Whoa! Way too complicated for me! I think I'll go shoot some deer."
From what i've seen, they go buy and restore 20-30 year old vehicles instead. In some instances, this amounts to building an entire car from parts. The attitudes that drove the early popularity of Linux aren't limited to the computer field...
peterchen wrote:
We are quickly losing the "Grade B" guys, the second rank, that makes the great ideas happen for everybody.
I agree. I've met so many people over the years, who have the desire and aptitude to do simple computer programming. Twenty or so years ago, they'd have been amazing friends with their BASIC skills, working around problems with the relatively simple computer systems of the time. Now... they're Excel "power users", or that guy who frustrates John by messing around with SQL in his database. They're still frustrated by their computer systems, but the barrier to entry is too high and obscure for what should be simple scripts.
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Jerry Hammond wrote:
Genius isn't genuis until it's recognised.
Nonsense. Einstein was a genius before he wrote his famous equation down; and when he wrote it down; and he was still a genius when the work was rejected by all of the journals to which he submitted it. He didn't become a genius when he was recognized by others; he was a genius all along.
The Grand Negus wrote:
Nonsense.
The only nonesense I see is your willingness to argue over something you clearly fail to understand. Ask yourself to define genius and then you should be able to fathom the meaning of my one hand clapping analogy.
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feline_dracoform wrote:
Most LAN lines will have 6 digits and the system is tied in with this area, we are aware that customer still have the old fashioned 5 numbers and some depending on the area have 7.
Wow! I've had a seven digit numbers all my life. The following area codes all have 7 digit numbers: 0121: Birmingham 0131: Edinburgh 0141: Glasgow 0151: Liverpool 0161: Manchester 0191: Newcastle 0207: London 0208: London And I think at the last number reorganisation 4 or 5 new areas got 7 digit numbers. The ones above represent the area that have had 7 digits after the area code for as long as I can remember (roughly 30 years). The above list probably represents 20% to 30% of the UK population.
feline_dracoform wrote:
if it is a 7 digit number, please remove your last digit.
What was the point of asking for the phone number at all!
feline_dracoform wrote:
the final joy was the note on the registration page saying that all passwords are case insensitive.
I dread to think how they are actually being stored.
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Colin Angus Mackay wrote:
The following area codes all have 7 digit numbers: 0207: London 0208: London
NO they do not! London has eight-digit numbers and the (020) code. All (02x) area codes have eight-digit numbers. The formatting rules are generally: 02x + 8 01x1 + 7 011x + 7 01xxx + 6 There are a very small number of exceptions: 01xxx + 5 01xxxx + 5 01xxxx + 4 These are very rare.
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feline_dracoform wrote:
I can sort of understand why they don't want to update the website - concerns over breaking it
This is the line in your post that scares me the most.
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Colin Angus Mackay wrote:
The following area codes all have 7 digit numbers: 0207: London 0208: London
NO they do not! London has eight-digit numbers and the (020) code. All (02x) area codes have eight-digit numbers. The formatting rules are generally: 02x + 8 01x1 + 7 011x + 7 01xxx + 6 There are a very small number of exceptions: 01xxx + 5 01xxxx + 5 01xxxx + 4 These are very rare.
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catj wrote:
NO they do not!
Given the number of companies that advertise as 0207 XXX XXXX or 0208 XXX XXXX I really couldn't care less. For the 50 million people that actually have to dial the full thing from the rest of the UK it doesn't matter one jot. For the minority that can get away with dialing without needing the initial 020? Well... meh!
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To reply to that, I do not work in web development. I looked at the regex in question, I can post it if anyone cares, and thought "what idiot wrote this?" but then, I have been using regular expressions in Vim, grep, egrep, fgrep, and others for years, so I know they are always a bit different everywhere. But still, unless JavaScript has really feeble regex support then it could have been done much better and more reliably with a far shorter regex. However I am assuming that this is a big organisation, so you have to go through 87 layers of management to get a customer facing website changed. To me, the code change looked like a 60 second job, but what about the re-testing on every system they check? Sorting out the backend effects... etc. So I don't want to assume it is an end to end simple fix. I learned many years ago that even "obvious and safe" bug fixes can have unexpected side effects :)
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feline_dracoform wrote:
To me, the code change looked like a 60 second job, but what about the re-testing on every system they check? Sorting out the backend effects... etc. So I don't want to assume it is an end to end simple fix.
What is the telephone number actually *used* for after you submit it along with your order? If they are happy to accept one that has the final digit missing, or an invented extra digit appended, then I think I can assume that it isn't actually used for anything at all... certainly I wouldn't expect to be getting an order confirmation callback, or a call by a delivery driver half a mile away asking for exact directions to the front door from where he is right now. It sounds like this data field could be simply eliminated. However, even in the most complex systems there's only a limited number of ways of screwing up... is the data of the correct data type to be stored, and is the storage space big enough to store the element? I can't believe that nobody would want to get in there and fix it properly.
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catj wrote:
NO they do not!
Given the number of companies that advertise as 0207 XXX XXXX or 0208 XXX XXXX I really couldn't care less. For the 50 million people that actually have to dial the full thing from the rest of the UK it doesn't matter one jot. For the minority that can get away with dialing without needing the initial 020? Well... meh!
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Colin Angus Mackay wrote:
I really couldn't care less.
More than 8 million people can dial just 3xxx xxxx or 7xxx xxxx or 8xxx xxxx to reach any London number from any other London number. That's why you write (020) xxxx xxxx, to show which part is the local number. In areas of the country where new number ranges have been opened up, people are now mis-dialling those new numbers as they are appending digits to the end of the area code that just do not exist. In Sheffield, the 2xx xxxx numbers are all used up and 3xx xxxx numbers are now being issued. The area code is (0114) for both. When faced with an (0114) 3xx xxxx number, many people are dialling 0114 2 3xx xxxx and are therefore connected to the wrong person. In Coventry, the 76xx xxxx numbers are now all used up. New numbers like 77xx xxxx are now being issued. The area code for both is (024). When faced with an (024) 77xx xxxx number many people are either changing the 77 part to 76 or are dialling 024 76 77xx xxxx which obviously connects to the wrong person. Apple knows how this works - and they're all the way over in California. Dial any UK telephone number on an I-Phone 3G S and the number will be correctly formatted on screen with all the gaps in the right places: - 01404 xxxxxx - 0141 xxx xxxx - 0114 xxx xxxx - 024 xxxx xxxx - 07xxx xxxxxx - 08xx xxx xxxx and so on.