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    Found on the internet: Christians like to argue the benefits of being a Christian independent of the truth of its assertions. Here is the other side of the coin. 1. As an atheist, I am free of supernatural fear. Dying holds no great terror. Poor Christians are in constant dread of eternal torment or eternal boredom micromanaged like sheep for all eternity. Watch them panic at the very idea of death. They can't even say the word "die". They say "he passed on" or "he is resting in peace" or "he went to meet his maker" or "he is in a better place". Christians paint corpses to help create the illusion they are not really dead, just resting like some Norwegian Blue parrot, pining for the fjords. 2. I am free to make up my mind on all moral issues using my rational mind and conscience. I am not compelled by the notions of ignorant folk who lived in the bronze age. I need not fear punishment from some sky god if my choices don't match those of the priests. 3. I am free to donate my money to charities that actually do good works rather than to a church that spends it on nebulous "godly" purposes such as gilt for the Vatican or fine embroidery for priestly robes. 4. If I should be in extreme pain at the end of my life, I can prematurely terminate my life without fear of some hideous reprisal. 5. I am free to inquire into any aspect or reality or science, and to make up my own mind on what is most likely true, and to change my mind. 6. I am free to enjoy any sexual activity I please that does not harm others without fear of some cosmic meat axe. 7. I don't have the strain of pretending to believe lies and unsupported articles of faith. I can be completely truthful. I speak for myself. I don't have to pretend I that agree totally with some ancient, obsolete, rigid system of beliefs. 8. When something goes wrong, I don't torment myself with the erroneous notion god is out to get me. I look at the rational causes of my predicament -- things I can correct. 9. I don't waste time and effort in useless prayers, sacrifices and ceremonies. “Praying is like a rocking chair — it'll give you something to do, but it won't get you anywhere.” ~ Gypsy Rose Lee 10. I don't sit there like a bump on a log waiting for god to rescue me. I don't expect god to rig the lottery for me. I don't take silly risks expecting god to protect me from my folly. 11. I talk to real friends, not an imaginary Jesus who can offer no more help than talking to myself. 12. I don't expose my kids to pedophiles an

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      Found on the internet: Christians like to argue the benefits of being a Christian independent of the truth of its assertions. Here is the other side of the coin. 1. As an atheist, I am free of supernatural fear. Dying holds no great terror. Poor Christians are in constant dread of eternal torment or eternal boredom micromanaged like sheep for all eternity. Watch them panic at the very idea of death. They can't even say the word "die". They say "he passed on" or "he is resting in peace" or "he went to meet his maker" or "he is in a better place". Christians paint corpses to help create the illusion they are not really dead, just resting like some Norwegian Blue parrot, pining for the fjords. 2. I am free to make up my mind on all moral issues using my rational mind and conscience. I am not compelled by the notions of ignorant folk who lived in the bronze age. I need not fear punishment from some sky god if my choices don't match those of the priests. 3. I am free to donate my money to charities that actually do good works rather than to a church that spends it on nebulous "godly" purposes such as gilt for the Vatican or fine embroidery for priestly robes. 4. If I should be in extreme pain at the end of my life, I can prematurely terminate my life without fear of some hideous reprisal. 5. I am free to inquire into any aspect or reality or science, and to make up my own mind on what is most likely true, and to change my mind. 6. I am free to enjoy any sexual activity I please that does not harm others without fear of some cosmic meat axe. 7. I don't have the strain of pretending to believe lies and unsupported articles of faith. I can be completely truthful. I speak for myself. I don't have to pretend I that agree totally with some ancient, obsolete, rigid system of beliefs. 8. When something goes wrong, I don't torment myself with the erroneous notion god is out to get me. I look at the rational causes of my predicament -- things I can correct. 9. I don't waste time and effort in useless prayers, sacrifices and ceremonies. “Praying is like a rocking chair — it'll give you something to do, but it won't get you anywhere.” ~ Gypsy Rose Lee 10. I don't sit there like a bump on a log waiting for god to rescue me. I don't expect god to rig the lottery for me. I don't take silly risks expecting god to protect me from my folly. 11. I talk to real friends, not an imaginary Jesus who can offer no more help than talking to myself. 12. I don't expose my kids to pedophiles an

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      Colin Angus Mackay wrote:

      1. As an atheist, I am free of supernatural fear. Dying holds no great terror. Poor Christians are in constant dread of eternal torment or eternal boredom micromanaged like sheep for all eternity. Watch them panic at the very idea of death. They can't even say the word "die". They say "he passed on" or "he is resting in peace" or "he went to meet his maker" or "he is in a better place". Christians paint corpses to help create the illusion they are not really dead, just resting like some Norwegian Blue parrot, pining for the fjords.

      They are clearly not afraid of death as they were directly responsible for the deaths of hundreds of millions of people in the last century alone. Next step...Eugenics!

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        Found on the internet: Christians like to argue the benefits of being a Christian independent of the truth of its assertions. Here is the other side of the coin. 1. As an atheist, I am free of supernatural fear. Dying holds no great terror. Poor Christians are in constant dread of eternal torment or eternal boredom micromanaged like sheep for all eternity. Watch them panic at the very idea of death. They can't even say the word "die". They say "he passed on" or "he is resting in peace" or "he went to meet his maker" or "he is in a better place". Christians paint corpses to help create the illusion they are not really dead, just resting like some Norwegian Blue parrot, pining for the fjords. 2. I am free to make up my mind on all moral issues using my rational mind and conscience. I am not compelled by the notions of ignorant folk who lived in the bronze age. I need not fear punishment from some sky god if my choices don't match those of the priests. 3. I am free to donate my money to charities that actually do good works rather than to a church that spends it on nebulous "godly" purposes such as gilt for the Vatican or fine embroidery for priestly robes. 4. If I should be in extreme pain at the end of my life, I can prematurely terminate my life without fear of some hideous reprisal. 5. I am free to inquire into any aspect or reality or science, and to make up my own mind on what is most likely true, and to change my mind. 6. I am free to enjoy any sexual activity I please that does not harm others without fear of some cosmic meat axe. 7. I don't have the strain of pretending to believe lies and unsupported articles of faith. I can be completely truthful. I speak for myself. I don't have to pretend I that agree totally with some ancient, obsolete, rigid system of beliefs. 8. When something goes wrong, I don't torment myself with the erroneous notion god is out to get me. I look at the rational causes of my predicament -- things I can correct. 9. I don't waste time and effort in useless prayers, sacrifices and ceremonies. “Praying is like a rocking chair — it'll give you something to do, but it won't get you anywhere.” ~ Gypsy Rose Lee 10. I don't sit there like a bump on a log waiting for god to rescue me. I don't expect god to rig the lottery for me. I don't take silly risks expecting god to protect me from my folly. 11. I talk to real friends, not an imaginary Jesus who can offer no more help than talking to myself. 12. I don't expose my kids to pedophiles an

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        Great. If Ted Haggard decides to espouse atheism, i can look forward to hearing these on the radio. :doh:

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          Great. If Ted Haggard decides to espouse atheism, i can look forward to hearing these on the radio. :doh:

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          It appears that everybody is under the impression that I approve of the documentation. You probably also blame Ken Burns for supporting slavery.

          --Raymond Chen on MSDN

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          Shog9 wrote:

          If Ted Haggard decides to espouse atheism, i can look forward to hearing these on the radio.

          And, he won't have to feel guilty about paying a rent boy for services rendered.


          Upcoming events: * Glasgow: Geek Dinner (5th March) * Edinburgh: Web Security Conference Day for Windows Developers (12th April) My: Website | Blog | Photos

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          • C Colin Angus Mackay

            Found on the internet: Christians like to argue the benefits of being a Christian independent of the truth of its assertions. Here is the other side of the coin. 1. As an atheist, I am free of supernatural fear. Dying holds no great terror. Poor Christians are in constant dread of eternal torment or eternal boredom micromanaged like sheep for all eternity. Watch them panic at the very idea of death. They can't even say the word "die". They say "he passed on" or "he is resting in peace" or "he went to meet his maker" or "he is in a better place". Christians paint corpses to help create the illusion they are not really dead, just resting like some Norwegian Blue parrot, pining for the fjords. 2. I am free to make up my mind on all moral issues using my rational mind and conscience. I am not compelled by the notions of ignorant folk who lived in the bronze age. I need not fear punishment from some sky god if my choices don't match those of the priests. 3. I am free to donate my money to charities that actually do good works rather than to a church that spends it on nebulous "godly" purposes such as gilt for the Vatican or fine embroidery for priestly robes. 4. If I should be in extreme pain at the end of my life, I can prematurely terminate my life without fear of some hideous reprisal. 5. I am free to inquire into any aspect or reality or science, and to make up my own mind on what is most likely true, and to change my mind. 6. I am free to enjoy any sexual activity I please that does not harm others without fear of some cosmic meat axe. 7. I don't have the strain of pretending to believe lies and unsupported articles of faith. I can be completely truthful. I speak for myself. I don't have to pretend I that agree totally with some ancient, obsolete, rigid system of beliefs. 8. When something goes wrong, I don't torment myself with the erroneous notion god is out to get me. I look at the rational causes of my predicament -- things I can correct. 9. I don't waste time and effort in useless prayers, sacrifices and ceremonies. “Praying is like a rocking chair — it'll give you something to do, but it won't get you anywhere.” ~ Gypsy Rose Lee 10. I don't sit there like a bump on a log waiting for god to rescue me. I don't expect god to rig the lottery for me. I don't take silly risks expecting god to protect me from my folly. 11. I talk to real friends, not an imaginary Jesus who can offer no more help than talking to myself. 12. I don't expose my kids to pedophiles an

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            Christian Graus
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            Most of this is obviously meant in jest, and has no basis in reality. I just wanted to say:

            Colin Angus Mackay wrote:

            I am free to make up my mind on all moral issues using my rational mind and conscience.

            No-one just 'makes up their own mind' on these things, they respond to social pressures and mores, be it in a church, or just in society as a whole. What is moral is generally accepted, with some slight variation. I don't believe you are free to decide that it's moral to kill people and take their stuff, for example.

            Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++ Metal Musings - Rex and my new metal blog "I am working on a project that will convert a FORTRAN code to corresponding C++ code.I am not aware of FORTRAN syntax" ( spotted in the C++/CLI forum )

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              Most of this is obviously meant in jest, and has no basis in reality. I just wanted to say:

              Colin Angus Mackay wrote:

              I am free to make up my mind on all moral issues using my rational mind and conscience.

              No-one just 'makes up their own mind' on these things, they respond to social pressures and mores, be it in a church, or just in society as a whole. What is moral is generally accepted, with some slight variation. I don't believe you are free to decide that it's moral to kill people and take their stuff, for example.

              Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++ Metal Musings - Rex and my new metal blog "I am working on a project that will convert a FORTRAN code to corresponding C++ code.I am not aware of FORTRAN syntax" ( spotted in the C++/CLI forum )

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              Christian Graus wrote:

              I don't believe you are free to decide that it's moral to kill people and take their stuff, for example.

              A serial killer may disagree with you.


              Come and see the violence inherent in the system! Help! Help! I'm being repressed!

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                Most of this is obviously meant in jest, and has no basis in reality. I just wanted to say:

                Colin Angus Mackay wrote:

                I am free to make up my mind on all moral issues using my rational mind and conscience.

                No-one just 'makes up their own mind' on these things, they respond to social pressures and mores, be it in a church, or just in society as a whole. What is moral is generally accepted, with some slight variation. I don't believe you are free to decide that it's moral to kill people and take their stuff, for example.

                Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++ Metal Musings - Rex and my new metal blog "I am working on a project that will convert a FORTRAN code to corresponding C++ code.I am not aware of FORTRAN syntax" ( spotted in the C++/CLI forum )

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                Christian Graus wrote:

                I don't believe you are free to decide that it's moral to kill people and take their stuff, for example.

                I don't believe you are free to make that moral decision for me! If only there were some kind of higher authority we could turn this over to... :laugh:

                I'm pretty sure I would not like to live in a world in which I would never be offended. I am absolutely certain I don't want to live in a world in which you would never be offended. Dave

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                  Shog9 wrote:

                  If Ted Haggard decides to espouse atheism, i can look forward to hearing these on the radio.

                  And, he won't have to feel guilty about paying a rent boy for services rendered.


                  Upcoming events: * Glasgow: Geek Dinner (5th March) * Edinburgh: Web Security Conference Day for Windows Developers (12th April) My: Website | Blog | Photos

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                  Colin Angus Mackay wrote:

                  And, he won't have to feel guilty about paying a rent boy for services rendered.

                  "rent boy"? You crazy Brits... :rolleyes: But yeah, i was referring more to his pre-outing habit of going on the radio to list out all the carnal benefits of showing up at his church.

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                  --Raymond Chen on MSDN

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                  • C Christian Graus

                    Most of this is obviously meant in jest, and has no basis in reality. I just wanted to say:

                    Colin Angus Mackay wrote:

                    I am free to make up my mind on all moral issues using my rational mind and conscience.

                    No-one just 'makes up their own mind' on these things, they respond to social pressures and mores, be it in a church, or just in society as a whole. What is moral is generally accepted, with some slight variation. I don't believe you are free to decide that it's moral to kill people and take their stuff, for example.

                    Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++ Metal Musings - Rex and my new metal blog "I am working on a project that will convert a FORTRAN code to corresponding C++ code.I am not aware of FORTRAN syntax" ( spotted in the C++/CLI forum )

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                    Christian Graus wrote:

                    I don't believe you are free to decide that it's moral to kill people and take their stuff

                    That has never stopped people, peoples, religion, and nations from doing that. History is riddled with such examples.

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                      Christian Graus wrote:

                      I don't believe you are free to decide that it's moral to kill people and take their stuff

                      That has never stopped people, peoples, religion, and nations from doing that. History is riddled with such examples.

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                      Richard A. Abbott wrote:

                      History is riddled with such examples.

                      "Riddled" is the key term there.

                      Modern liberalism has never achieved anything other than giving Secularists something to feel morally superior about

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                        Richard A. Abbott wrote:

                        History is riddled with such examples.

                        "Riddled" is the key term there.

                        Modern liberalism has never achieved anything other than giving Secularists something to feel morally superior about

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                        Stan, do you need examples?

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                          Colin Angus Mackay wrote:

                          1. As an atheist, I am free of supernatural fear. Dying holds no great terror. Poor Christians are in constant dread of eternal torment or eternal boredom micromanaged like sheep for all eternity. Watch them panic at the very idea of death. They can't even say the word "die". They say "he passed on" or "he is resting in peace" or "he went to meet his maker" or "he is in a better place". Christians paint corpses to help create the illusion they are not really dead, just resting like some Norwegian Blue parrot, pining for the fjords.

                          They are clearly not afraid of death as they were directly responsible for the deaths of hundreds of millions of people in the last century alone. Next step...Eugenics!

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                          You ought to change your name to Red Herring.

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                            Found on the internet: Christians like to argue the benefits of being a Christian independent of the truth of its assertions. Here is the other side of the coin. 1. As an atheist, I am free of supernatural fear. Dying holds no great terror. Poor Christians are in constant dread of eternal torment or eternal boredom micromanaged like sheep for all eternity. Watch them panic at the very idea of death. They can't even say the word "die". They say "he passed on" or "he is resting in peace" or "he went to meet his maker" or "he is in a better place". Christians paint corpses to help create the illusion they are not really dead, just resting like some Norwegian Blue parrot, pining for the fjords. 2. I am free to make up my mind on all moral issues using my rational mind and conscience. I am not compelled by the notions of ignorant folk who lived in the bronze age. I need not fear punishment from some sky god if my choices don't match those of the priests. 3. I am free to donate my money to charities that actually do good works rather than to a church that spends it on nebulous "godly" purposes such as gilt for the Vatican or fine embroidery for priestly robes. 4. If I should be in extreme pain at the end of my life, I can prematurely terminate my life without fear of some hideous reprisal. 5. I am free to inquire into any aspect or reality or science, and to make up my own mind on what is most likely true, and to change my mind. 6. I am free to enjoy any sexual activity I please that does not harm others without fear of some cosmic meat axe. 7. I don't have the strain of pretending to believe lies and unsupported articles of faith. I can be completely truthful. I speak for myself. I don't have to pretend I that agree totally with some ancient, obsolete, rigid system of beliefs. 8. When something goes wrong, I don't torment myself with the erroneous notion god is out to get me. I look at the rational causes of my predicament -- things I can correct. 9. I don't waste time and effort in useless prayers, sacrifices and ceremonies. “Praying is like a rocking chair — it'll give you something to do, but it won't get you anywhere.” ~ Gypsy Rose Lee 10. I don't sit there like a bump on a log waiting for god to rescue me. I don't expect god to rig the lottery for me. I don't take silly risks expecting god to protect me from my folly. 11. I talk to real friends, not an imaginary Jesus who can offer no more help than talking to myself. 12. I don't expose my kids to pedophiles an

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                            Looks like people are beginning to take notice: link[^] :)

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                              You ought to change your name to Red Herring.

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                              Why him alone? The original post was full of red herrings and other logical flaws.

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                                Stan, do you need examples?

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                                Sure, give me a few.

                                Modern liberalism has never achieved anything other than giving Secularists something to feel morally superior about

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                                  Found on the internet: Christians like to argue the benefits of being a Christian independent of the truth of its assertions. Here is the other side of the coin. 1. As an atheist, I am free of supernatural fear. Dying holds no great terror. Poor Christians are in constant dread of eternal torment or eternal boredom micromanaged like sheep for all eternity. Watch them panic at the very idea of death. They can't even say the word "die". They say "he passed on" or "he is resting in peace" or "he went to meet his maker" or "he is in a better place". Christians paint corpses to help create the illusion they are not really dead, just resting like some Norwegian Blue parrot, pining for the fjords. 2. I am free to make up my mind on all moral issues using my rational mind and conscience. I am not compelled by the notions of ignorant folk who lived in the bronze age. I need not fear punishment from some sky god if my choices don't match those of the priests. 3. I am free to donate my money to charities that actually do good works rather than to a church that spends it on nebulous "godly" purposes such as gilt for the Vatican or fine embroidery for priestly robes. 4. If I should be in extreme pain at the end of my life, I can prematurely terminate my life without fear of some hideous reprisal. 5. I am free to inquire into any aspect or reality or science, and to make up my own mind on what is most likely true, and to change my mind. 6. I am free to enjoy any sexual activity I please that does not harm others without fear of some cosmic meat axe. 7. I don't have the strain of pretending to believe lies and unsupported articles of faith. I can be completely truthful. I speak for myself. I don't have to pretend I that agree totally with some ancient, obsolete, rigid system of beliefs. 8. When something goes wrong, I don't torment myself with the erroneous notion god is out to get me. I look at the rational causes of my predicament -- things I can correct. 9. I don't waste time and effort in useless prayers, sacrifices and ceremonies. “Praying is like a rocking chair — it'll give you something to do, but it won't get you anywhere.” ~ Gypsy Rose Lee 10. I don't sit there like a bump on a log waiting for god to rescue me. I don't expect god to rig the lottery for me. I don't take silly risks expecting god to protect me from my folly. 11. I talk to real friends, not an imaginary Jesus who can offer no more help than talking to myself. 12. I don't expose my kids to pedophiles an

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                                  Colin Angus Mackay wrote:

                                  If I should be in extreme pain at the end of my life, I can prematurely terminate my life without fear of some hideous reprisal.

                                  Hell, why wait?

                                  Modern liberalism has never achieved anything other than giving Secularists something to feel morally superior about

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                                    Most of this is obviously meant in jest, and has no basis in reality. I just wanted to say:

                                    Colin Angus Mackay wrote:

                                    I am free to make up my mind on all moral issues using my rational mind and conscience.

                                    No-one just 'makes up their own mind' on these things, they respond to social pressures and mores, be it in a church, or just in society as a whole. What is moral is generally accepted, with some slight variation. I don't believe you are free to decide that it's moral to kill people and take their stuff, for example.

                                    Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++ Metal Musings - Rex and my new metal blog "I am working on a project that will convert a FORTRAN code to corresponding C++ code.I am not aware of FORTRAN syntax" ( spotted in the C++/CLI forum )

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                                    Christian Graus wrote:

                                    ... I don't believe you are free to decide that it's moral to kill people and take their stuff, for example.

                                    Sure you are free to decide that. Your decision would be false (in this case, 'false' meaning that the attempted redefinition of what is and is not "moral" is itself an immoral decision) ... which, of course, means there exists some objective criteria to differentiate 'moral' from 'immoral' ... but one is certainly *free* to decide to do anything one want to decide to do. One is free to decide that "up" is really "down." One's decision doesn't affect the truth of the matter.

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                                      Why him alone? The original post was full of red herrings and other logical flaws.

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                                      He's special...

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                                        Looks like people are beginning to take notice: link[^] :)

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                                        Humorous photo-shopping aside, of course, the truth is that as *reality* would have it, it is 'atheism' which is closing up shop. Damn, man! don't you pay attention to current events? Haven't you noticed that, as Europe is so clearly demonstrating, 'atheism' is a one-way ticket to national/cultural suicide. By the way, knowing how important predictions are to those who claim to have a "scientific" mind-set, what is happening to the European nations (what they are doing to themselves, actually) just happens to be a prediction of the Bible.

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                                          You ought to change your name to Red Herring.

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                                          Joergen Sigvardsson wrote:

                                          Herring

                                          Herring sandwiches......


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