Stop whining
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Shog9 wrote:
You want a servant. So look for people who are good at following orders. ...and pray they take orders from the people who elected them instead of the people who funded their ad campaigns...
I want a public servant, but that doesn't imply someone who simply takes orders, but rather fulfills the duties of their office for the benefit of America.
That's the ideal leader everyone would want, but it's only a dream. Like those people who tried to achieve communism, the idea is good, but it is impossible to achieve; the closest that they got is national socialism. Anyway, I don't think there is another George Washington or James Madison that will come along and save us. The constant growth of the bureaucracy in the government and the military industrial complex, and along with the influence of corporations in the legislating process has killed any chance of anyone trying to do the right thing. Well, unless there's a revolution and we start over again and implement the lessons learned. After awhile, the process would have to start over again and it becomes a cycle. Just my $0.02
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Red Stateler wrote:
I'm still trying to understand your question.
No you are not.
Red Stateler wrote:
then went on to say that Republicans have a double standard for promoting "family values".
I said that in my OP on this thread? Where? Here is my statement, it does not say what you claim:
led mike wrote:
The Republicans have the platform of Religion and Family Values, constantly claiming moral superiority... then you want to whine about a double standard.
now here is the question
led mike wrote:
explain the logic in this seemingly inescapable contradiction?
How is that NOT crystal clear? You always claim to have superior reading skills don't you?
led mike
led mike wrote:
led mike wrote: The Republicans have the platform of Religion and Family Values, constantly claiming moral superiority... then you want to whine about a double standard. now here is the question
Because that statement is not true, hence there is no contradiction. Quoteing leftist propaganda is not a compelling argument.
Modern liberalism has never achieved anything other than giving Secularists something to feel morally superior about
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Red Stateler wrote:
I'm still trying to understand your question.
No you are not.
Red Stateler wrote:
then went on to say that Republicans have a double standard for promoting "family values".
I said that in my OP on this thread? Where? Here is my statement, it does not say what you claim:
led mike wrote:
The Republicans have the platform of Religion and Family Values, constantly claiming moral superiority... then you want to whine about a double standard.
now here is the question
led mike wrote:
explain the logic in this seemingly inescapable contradiction?
How is that NOT crystal clear? You always claim to have superior reading skills don't you?
led mike
Like Stan said, the only way your statement makes sense is if there is a contradiction there. And as I pointed out, there isn't one, which makes your statement meaningless. That's why I asked what you were talking about.
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Dont talk to this infadel, One day he will be begging you for a drop of water on his tounge when he is burning in hell! :rolleyes:
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led mike wrote:
led mike wrote: The Republicans have the platform of Religion and Family Values, constantly claiming moral superiority... then you want to whine about a double standard. now here is the question
Because that statement is not true, hence there is no contradiction. Quoteing leftist propaganda is not a compelling argument.
Modern liberalism has never achieved anything other than giving Secularists something to feel morally superior about
Stan Shannon wrote:
Because that statement is not true
Hmmm... ok I'll bite. Which part is not true? 1) The Republican Platform of Religion and Family Values 2) Republicans in the Soapbox claiming moral superiority 3) Republicans in the Soapbox whining about a double standard
led mike
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Stan Shannon wrote:
Because that statement is not true
Hmmm... ok I'll bite. Which part is not true? 1) The Republican Platform of Religion and Family Values 2) Republicans in the Soapbox claiming moral superiority 3) Republicans in the Soapbox whining about a double standard
led mike
Your statement:
led mike wrote:
The Republicans have the platform of Religion and Family Values, constantly claiming moral superiority... then you want to whine about a double standard.
The word "then" makes the underlined portion a statement of contradiction. It indicates that claiming moral superiority denotes that conservatives are exempted from whining about a double standard (presumably because it's hypocritical...the only liberal vice). But in order to make any sense (within the contect of your hypocritical implication), conservatives would have to be violating that moral standard. As I pointed out in my first response, the fact that conservatives commit immoral acts is expected. But the standard requires action on those immoral acts...Something conservatives are consistent about. That fact contradicts your claims of hypocrisy because there is no demonstrably lacking morality, which renders your statement moot. That's why I asked what you were talking about when you continued rambling. Btw, Stan is saying that leftists claim a moral superiority via their secular humanist morality (e.g. war is immoral, republicans are corrupt, etc...).
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Your statement:
led mike wrote:
The Republicans have the platform of Religion and Family Values, constantly claiming moral superiority... then you want to whine about a double standard.
The word "then" makes the underlined portion a statement of contradiction. It indicates that claiming moral superiority denotes that conservatives are exempted from whining about a double standard (presumably because it's hypocritical...the only liberal vice). But in order to make any sense (within the contect of your hypocritical implication), conservatives would have to be violating that moral standard. As I pointed out in my first response, the fact that conservatives commit immoral acts is expected. But the standard requires action on those immoral acts...Something conservatives are consistent about. That fact contradicts your claims of hypocrisy because there is no demonstrably lacking morality, which renders your statement moot. That's why I asked what you were talking about when you continued rambling. Btw, Stan is saying that leftists claim a moral superiority via their secular humanist morality (e.g. war is immoral, republicans are corrupt, etc...).
Red Stateler wrote:
But in order to make any sense (within the contect of your hypocritical implication), conservatives would have to be violating that moral standard.
This thread is not about hypocrisy, we can always get back to that, it is simply about "STOP WHINING" about the double standard.
Red Stateler wrote:
Btw, Stan is saying that leftists claim a moral superiority
Yeah you two say all sorts of things you can't back up, so what?
led mike
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Red Stateler wrote:
But in order to make any sense (within the contect of your hypocritical implication), conservatives would have to be violating that moral standard.
This thread is not about hypocrisy, we can always get back to that, it is simply about "STOP WHINING" about the double standard.
Red Stateler wrote:
Btw, Stan is saying that leftists claim a moral superiority
Yeah you two say all sorts of things you can't back up, so what?
led mike
led mike wrote:
This thread is not about hypocrisy, we can always get back to that, it is simply about "STOP WHINING" about the double standard.
Well then back to the original question. What are you rambling on about? You original posts makes absolutely no sense. It doesn't even imply "stop whining" just because you're annoyed of your blatant hypocrisy.
led mike wrote:
Yeah you two say all sorts of things you can't back up, so what?
Yeah, I gave you two specific examples.
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led mike wrote:
This thread is not about hypocrisy, we can always get back to that, it is simply about "STOP WHINING" about the double standard.
Well then back to the original question. What are you rambling on about? You original posts makes absolutely no sense. It doesn't even imply "stop whining" just because you're annoyed of your blatant hypocrisy.
led mike wrote:
Yeah you two say all sorts of things you can't back up, so what?
Yeah, I gave you two specific examples.
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I just went back to see what he has posted since last night, so I'd know what to vote as spam the next time round, and most of his messages have been removed. :doh:
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I just went back to see what he has posted since last night, and most of his messages have been removed.
Yeah - for good reason.
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Red Stateler wrote:
Yeah, I gave you two specific examples.
Examples of what? Examples of how it's logical to whine about a double standard that you set up yourself? WTF are you talking about?
led mike
led mike wrote:
Examples of what?
war is immoral, republicans are corrupt (one of the Democrats' main platforms the last election), etc...
led mike wrote:
Examples of how it's logical to whine about a double standard that you set up yourself?
You still haven't explained your original post. You even said "Please could just one republican in the Soapbox please step forward and explain the logic in this seemingly inescapable contradiction?" Now two posts ago you said it's not about hypocrisy, but a simple whine about whining. Well then what was the point of claiming it was a contradiction if now you're saying it's not? What's wrong with you?
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led mike wrote:
Examples of what?
war is immoral, republicans are corrupt (one of the Democrats' main platforms the last election), etc...
led mike wrote:
Examples of how it's logical to whine about a double standard that you set up yourself?
You still haven't explained your original post. You even said "Please could just one republican in the Soapbox please step forward and explain the logic in this seemingly inescapable contradiction?" Now two posts ago you said it's not about hypocrisy, but a simple whine about whining. Well then what was the point of claiming it was a contradiction if now you're saying it's not? What's wrong with you?
TROLL No answers to the question... not a single one... "I don't understand the question", now claiming there is no question... run away run away To late, Stan already posted that something was "not true".
Stan Shannon wrote:
Because that statement is not true,
You even responded, so obvoiusly you both understand but of course can't point to the part that is not true "even when I numbered them". run away .... run away so lame X|
led mike
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Thanks for stepping up and answering my question.... wait you didn't... that's just shocking... no really... it is. :rolleyes:
led mike
led mike wrote:
Thanks for stepping up and answering my question
led mike wrote:
And no, this does not mean that someone like Ilion should post another list of Democratic leaders and their misadventures as if there is no list of Republican leaders misadventures.
But, of course, I did not *merely* "post [a] list of Democratic leaders and their misadventures as if there is no list of Republican leaders misadventures." Not, mind you, that I could ever even begin to imagine that Honest Mike would actually be attempting to misrepresent the list I posted[^]:
Red Stateler wrote:
The double standard ...
A quick overview: Clinton ... Nixon JFK; Gore ... Nixon (The Democrats *did* steal JFK's "win" over Nixon, and it was widely known at the time. Including by Nixon. And JFK.) Kennedy, Ted (of MS) ... ??? (specifically, directly causing the death of another and trying to hide it) Kennedy, Patrick (of RI) ... Tower, John (of Texas) (specifically, public drunkenness) Clinton ... Packwood, Bob (of Oregon) (specifically, the "unwelcome advances") Clinton ... ??? (specifically, the quite creditable accusation of rape) Studds, Gerry (of MS) ... Foley, Mark (of Florida) (specifically, actual sex with actual minors vs. "icky" (though legal) email/PMs) Frank, Barney (of MS) ... Cunningham, Randy 'Duke' (of California) -- (specifically, the prostitution component) Kerry, John (of MS) and others too numerous to mention ... ??? (specifically, falsely slandering *all* members of the military) Clinton ... Gingrich (not even about the same things, yet Dem partisans try to make it equivalent)
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TROLL No answers to the question... not a single one... "I don't understand the question", now claiming there is no question... run away run away To late, Stan already posted that something was "not true".
Stan Shannon wrote:
Because that statement is not true,
You even responded, so obvoiusly you both understand but of course can't point to the part that is not true "even when I numbered them". run away .... run away so lame X|
led mike
Huh? Instead of demanding that your original post was "crystal clear" (despite the fact nobody has any idea what you're talking about), why don't you just explain it again for us dolts who are too dim to understand? That seems more sensible to me.
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Shog9 wrote:
Start chiding yourselves for buying them.
Of course "I" don't and I posted as much last week[^]
Shog9 wrote:
Stop chiding the whores for acting like whores.
Yeah, I could care less what any of those washington pukes do or say... but the people here in the Soapbox, that's another fish to fry. :-D
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led mike wrote:
[link removed since something is totally hosed with CPHog or CP or something, anyway it was in the "Libby" thread on the 7th]
There's a bug with CPhog and certain URLs. Generally though, if you use the
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Stan Shannon wrote:
Because that statement is not true
Hmmm... ok I'll bite. Which part is not true? 1) The Republican Platform of Religion and Family Values 2) Republicans in the Soapbox claiming moral superiority 3) Republicans in the Soapbox whining about a double standard
led mike
led mike wrote:
- Republicans in the Soapbox claiming moral superiority
I have never heard anyone but a leftist use the expression "moral superiority".
Modern liberalism has never achieved anything other than giving Secularists something to feel morally superior about
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led mike wrote:
[link removed since something is totally hosed with CPHog or CP or something, anyway it was in the "Libby" thread on the 7th]
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...the wind blows over it and it is gone, and its place remembers it no more...
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led mike wrote:
- Republicans in the Soapbox claiming moral superiority
I have never heard anyone but a leftist use the expression "moral superiority".
Modern liberalism has never achieved anything other than giving Secularists something to feel morally superior about
Stan Shannon wrote:
I have never heard anyone but a leftist use the expression "moral superiority".
Sure, because that would be in response to someone "claiming moral superiority" not someone using the expression, right? But at least you answered and no I don't have any actual quotes so.... unless I find one or more ( I know they exist ) you have a legitimate complaint.
led mike
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Red Stateler wrote:
I'm at a loss to even know what you're talking about.
sure you are
Red Stateler wrote:
The double standard is both indescribable and enlightening.
apparently being morally superior does not include being honest :rolleyes: Thanks for posting more of of your usual drivel that makes no attempt at answering my question... very honorable of you.
Red Stateler wrote:
Despite your attempts to paint Republicans as hypocritical
Would you like some cheese with that whine?
led mike
led mike wrote:
apparently being morally superior does not include being honest
One excludes the other.
led mike wrote:
Would you like some cheese with that whine?
:laugh: brilliant!
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led mike wrote:
- Republicans in the Soapbox claiming moral superiority
I have never heard anyone but a leftist use the expression "moral superiority".
Modern liberalism has never achieved anything other than giving Secularists something to feel morally superior about
Red Stateler wrote:
We're now seeing a reemergence of eugenics (through the manipulation of embryonic life) in the west which atheists find perfectly acceptable through flimsy morals.
Red Stateler wrote:
Secularists have, by rejecting the concept of sin altogether, found themselves wallowing in it since they're unable to distinguish virtue and vice. They lack guidance and simply have no concept of good and evil. The left will continue to refuse to recognize their influence on the decline of western civilization simply because they are unable to recognize what their actions entail.
I know there is much much more but I do not intend to look further for what any reader of the Soapbox knows only too well. While looking I found a thread with you and John Carson a few weeks back that I had missed. It was .... interesting...
Stan Shannon wrote:
That is a fundamental disagreement I have with modern political systems in general. That is why I am opposed to the Libertarians. If you have civilization, you have tyranny. It simply cannot be avoided. Even if your civilization only has one law "You cannot spit on the sidewalk" - all those who wish to spit on the sidewalk live in a tyranny, they are being deprived of doing something they wish to do. Laws against murder are tyranny to those who wish to murder, etc. Civilization is about controlling the behavior of people in some way. So your example of what adults do in their bedroom is meaningless. We exert all kinds of control over what people do in their bedrooms. What you want to establish is a standard of "no harm". Well, fine. But some power still has to dictate the definition of an adult, the definition of 'consent', the definition of 'private' the defintion of 'harm'. Some source of authority has to define those things. We don't allow an 18 year old to have sex with a 17 year old in a private bedroom or not. That is a completely arbitrary form of tyranny which cannot be avoided - there has to be a line that we are not allowed to cross. Who are you to tell me that two men having anal sex in their bedroom does me no harm? If I feel harmed, thats my call, and if my community feels the same way, who should have the power to force us to accept your definition of harm?
"If I feel harmed" ... wow ... whatever...
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