Handguns
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Graham Bradshaw wrote:
avoiding the situation in the first place.
Agreed. I have stated I've never needed one in the past 36 years, and have no reason to believe I will in the future. In another post I mentioned I probably wouldn't have the courage to carry the gun with me at all, at least that's how I feel right now. The primary reason for me to get one is really to go down to the range and shoot for sport. Since I'm buying one, though, I'm considering all uses. My consideration for carrying the gun as a concealed weapon, is that it's merely an option should I find the need arises for me carry one with me. In reality, I probably will never carry it with me.
BW
Quick to judge, quick to anger, slow to understand.
Ignorance and prejudice and fear walk hand in hand.
-- Neil PeartI have no problem with shooting for sport, and I never had (see above for anything else). I actually do find weapons somewhat fascinating, and I have shot a friends guns (in Germany, it is more difficult to legally own a gun, and almost impossible to legally carry, except in high-profile jobs (armored truck crew, etc.). He, however, legally owns a vast array of guns, ranging from the Sig P226 (I liked that one most), Glock some-teen (can't remember) to the HK SL8 and MP5-K (afair, single shots only). In Germany, I never felt the need for a gun, not for my safety and not for the safety of those around me. I can imagine that this might be different in a country where almost everyone can legally own and carry a gun, and where - naturally - it is just as easy to illegally own and carry.
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You've asked a bunch of developers about what type of concealed weapon you should purchase. The answers you have received range from the practical, the flippant, to the ridiculous. That's not what disappoints me. What disappoints me is no one - no one - has attempted to discuss - will it come with a built in MP3 player or GPS? - will it be bluetooth compatible? - will it work with Vista? 64bit? What about driver support? - will it support the X10 protocol? - does it come with an SD card slot? - will it be compatible with other concealed weapons or will you tied to a single vendor's solution? - is it upgradable? Over the internet? Automatically? If a problem is found who long will it take for a fix to be made available? - what sort of belt clip will you be getting and will balance your pager, iPod, blackberry and leatherman tool on the other side? - Is the power supply world compatible or will you need to by a converter? - what colours are available?
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I'm in the market for a handgun, but am still just learning about guns. I'm primarily interested in using it at the shooting range; however if I'm going to spend the money I think it's worth giving consideration to using it for defensive purposes. I will be getting a concealed weapons permit, so longer barreled pistols wouldn't be practical. I'm currently considering a double-action revolver over an automatic, for the reason of reliability and I think they look much cooler.:rolleyes: I'm interested in the Ruger GP100 (GP141)[^]. Anyone have/use one? Any suggestions on what to consider regarding caliber, brands, features, etc? Any differences between guns where cleaning is concerned? What should I look for regarding locking the gun (safety, trigger lock, etc)? Thanks.
BW
Quick to judge, quick to anger, slow to understand.
Ignorance and prejudice and fear walk hand in hand.
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I'm in the market for a handgun, but am still just learning about guns. I'm primarily interested in using it at the shooting range; however if I'm going to spend the money I think it's worth giving consideration to using it for defensive purposes. I will be getting a concealed weapons permit, so longer barreled pistols wouldn't be practical. I'm currently considering a double-action revolver over an automatic, for the reason of reliability and I think they look much cooler.:rolleyes: I'm interested in the Ruger GP100 (GP141)[^]. Anyone have/use one? Any suggestions on what to consider regarding caliber, brands, features, etc? Any differences between guns where cleaning is concerned? What should I look for regarding locking the gun (safety, trigger lock, etc)? Thanks.
BW
Quick to judge, quick to anger, slow to understand.
Ignorance and prejudice and fear walk hand in hand.
-- Neil Peartbrianwelsch wrote:
think it's worth giving consideration to using it for defensive purposes
Holy shit, where do you live that warrants carrying a hand gun for defensive purposes - Iraq?
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I'm in the market for a handgun, but am still just learning about guns. I'm primarily interested in using it at the shooting range; however if I'm going to spend the money I think it's worth giving consideration to using it for defensive purposes. I will be getting a concealed weapons permit, so longer barreled pistols wouldn't be practical. I'm currently considering a double-action revolver over an automatic, for the reason of reliability and I think they look much cooler.:rolleyes: I'm interested in the Ruger GP100 (GP141)[^]. Anyone have/use one? Any suggestions on what to consider regarding caliber, brands, features, etc? Any differences between guns where cleaning is concerned? What should I look for regarding locking the gun (safety, trigger lock, etc)? Thanks.
BW
Quick to judge, quick to anger, slow to understand.
Ignorance and prejudice and fear walk hand in hand.
-- Neil Peart...about 7 feet long, with a nasty pointy spikey bit on the end. It may not be much good at long range, but it's just so much more personal... :->
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I've seen lots of handguns that are works of beauty and craftsmanship. But, I don't know a damn thing about them and they scare the hell out of me. If you were looking for a rifle on the other hand, I'd have lots of things to say. I grew up around them and feel very comfortable with them. I have a pair of handcrafted Winchester 30-30s from my da that are about as close to works of art as a fire-arm can be. On top of that I am big fan of some of the old Browning and Sharps rifles as well.
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I don't know the facts and figures so I stand to be corrected but a large proportion of firearm deaths and injuries are not to decent, law abiding, minding their own business citizens but people who are the 'bad guys' anyway - drug dealers, gang members etc. I would also guess that the second largest group of deaths and injuries result from accidental shootings, hunting accidents, cleaning loaded gun etc. A 3rd group I suggest the smallest would be those who have successfully killed/injured in legitimate self defence against home invaders, armed robbers etc. Given this the self-defence arguement doesn't really stand, although anyone who has been subject to violence against themselves may well find a great peace of mind knowing there is a gun to hand should they need it. I also see that people might want to have a gun for hunting or sport (notice the distinction) - a gun is no more dangerous than a car or a bag of fertilizer if used legitimately.
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I really don't know if I could shoot someone. If it came down to someone physically harming me or my friends/family, I could. If someone was just robbing me. I'd probably shoot in the air to try to scare them off, but otherwise let the insurance company pay me back.
BW
Quick to judge, quick to anger, slow to understand.
Ignorance and prejudice and fear walk hand in hand.
-- Neil Peart*drawing* a weapon constitutes the use of deadly force under the law, and in most (all?) of the US using deadly force to defend yourself from deadly force isn't a crime. If you;re not able to follow through don't carry one. While simply brandishing it will almost always cause a would be mugger to back down if he were to escalate back you're SOL.
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...about 7 feet long, with a nasty pointy spikey bit on the end. It may not be much good at long range, but it's just so much more personal... :->
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Is there much technique to using pikes and such? Just curious if there was training to go along with their use, like you might go through for swords.
BW
Quick to judge, quick to anger, slow to understand.
Ignorance and prejudice and fear walk hand in hand.
-- Neil Peart -
...about 7 feet long, with a nasty pointy spikey bit on the end. It may not be much good at long range, but it's just so much more personal... :->
Anna :rose: Linting the day away :cool: Anna's Place | Tears and Laughter "If mushy peas are the food of the devil, the stotty cake is the frisbee of God"
New mate?;) Oh wait, you mean a spear-type weapon.:doh:
He was a snowflake, like other "unique" snowflakes, falling down, getting stepped on, and pushed aside to disappear.
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I don't know the facts and figures so I stand to be corrected but a large proportion of firearm deaths and injuries are not to decent, law abiding, minding their own business citizens but people who are the 'bad guys' anyway - drug dealers, gang members etc. I would also guess that the second largest group of deaths and injuries result from accidental shootings, hunting accidents, cleaning loaded gun etc. A 3rd group I suggest the smallest would be those who have successfully killed/injured in legitimate self defence against home invaders, armed robbers etc. Given this the self-defence arguement doesn't really stand, although anyone who has been subject to violence against themselves may well find a great peace of mind knowing there is a gun to hand should they need it. I also see that people might want to have a gun for hunting or sport (notice the distinction) - a gun is no more dangerous than a car or a bag of fertilizer if used legitimately.
Oh I agree. Thats why I love my rifles. I am scared of handguns because I don't know how to handle one. If I were more familiar with them I am sure I would have had an opinion.
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Is there much technique to using pikes and such? Just curious if there was training to go along with their use, like you might go through for swords.
BW
Quick to judge, quick to anger, slow to understand.
Ignorance and prejudice and fear walk hand in hand.
-- Neil PeartYes, there is - although the skills the two require are subtly different. Sword skills are very individual; the closest a swordsman gets to any level of "organisation" is participating in a shield wall. Polearms (and especially pikes) demand a different skill - discipline. Polearms are useless on their own (especially against swordsmen) but in a block they are vicious and very, very effective. AS typical 15th century polearm drill is not too far removed from what you'd see on any Army parade ground, and the most effective captains are those who are both respected by their compnay and able to shout the loudest. ;) It's great fun. Shame I haven't got time to persue it at the moment!
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New mate?;) Oh wait, you mean a spear-type weapon.:doh:
He was a snowflake, like other "unique" snowflakes, falling down, getting stepped on, and pushed aside to disappear.
Richard Jones wrote:
New mate?
Not exactly - she's called Beth. ;)
Richard Jones wrote:
Oh wait, you mean a spear-type weapon.
Yep, like the two 7-footers I have sitting on top of my wardobe. Where do you think my company logo came from? :->
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