Handguns
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I'm in the market for a handgun, but am still just learning about guns. I'm primarily interested in using it at the shooting range; however if I'm going to spend the money I think it's worth giving consideration to using it for defensive purposes. I will be getting a concealed weapons permit, so longer barreled pistols wouldn't be practical. I'm currently considering a double-action revolver over an automatic, for the reason of reliability and I think they look much cooler.:rolleyes: I'm interested in the Ruger GP100 (GP141)[^]. Anyone have/use one? Any suggestions on what to consider regarding caliber, brands, features, etc? Any differences between guns where cleaning is concerned? What should I look for regarding locking the gun (safety, trigger lock, etc)? Thanks.
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-- Neil PeartI've seen lots of handguns that are works of beauty and craftsmanship. But, I don't know a damn thing about them and they scare the hell out of me. If you were looking for a rifle on the other hand, I'd have lots of things to say. I grew up around them and feel very comfortable with them. I have a pair of handcrafted Winchester 30-30s from my da that are about as close to works of art as a fire-arm can be. On top of that I am big fan of some of the old Browning and Sharps rifles as well.
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If you didn't grow up around guns I would highly recommend a safety course. Double Action means you can pull the trigger to cock and fire while single action means you manually cock and then fire. Although most double action revolvers are also single action you should check. My personal favorite was my S&W .45 acp. The metal on metal sound when you pull the slide back is enough to make any burglar in the night runaway. Also, depending on your State a concealed permit may offer you no additional rights over a non-concealed permit. Be safe and fire the weapon before you buy it.
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I'm taking a basic safety course this Saturday.
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brianwelsch wrote:
why not give myself the option to make that decision later?
I guess there is a certain logic in that - personally I would be so incredibly paranoid if I was carrying a gun I'd prolly have a coronary. I saw a statistic once about the number of Americans who lose their guns in a year. Just lose them. Staggering. :omg:
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If you think that's scary, you should see the statistics on how many crimes are avoided because the intended victim had a gun and let it be seen! Apparently (and, I guess, not surprisingly) most criminals would rather not face armed victims, but instead prefer to prey on the helpless. It's over a million a year in the US alone, yet for some silly reason, even though I have guns and the required permits, I don't ever think to carry one. Sheesh...:doh:
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I'm not getting a gun simply because I think they are cool, but since there is a choice between different models, emotional factors come into play during selection. That's all I meant. I prefer the look and style of a revolver. The coolness factor will come into play when I'm on the range shooting regardless. :rolleyes:
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Give Ed a break, he drives an AMC Gremlin.
Anyone who thinks he has a better idea of what's good for people than people do is a swine. - P.J. O'Rourke
:laugh: Ahhhhh.
Joe Woodbury wrote:
AMC Gremlin.
Well, hey, it'll usually get you from A to B.
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I'll be going through the training anyway, so I might as well get the permit. The chances of my ever carrying a gun with me is incredibly low, but why not give myself the option to make that decision later?
BW
Quick to judge, quick to anger, slow to understand.
Ignorance and prejudice and fear walk hand in hand.
-- Neil PeartEven if you don't plan to carry a gun, it's incredibly easy to run afoul of the law if you accidentally end up in a situation where having one is a crime you didn't even know about. For instance, in Arizona it's legal to carry an unconcealed gun anytime, but if your shirt happens to flop down over the holster and a cop notices it, you're a felon. Suppose I go shooting in the morning, toss the gun on the car seat, and drive home. If on the way I turn a corner and the gun slides off the seat onto the floor, then I get stopped for some reason, it's a concealed weapon charge. If I drive to the post office - next door to a school - and park, and a cop looks in the window and sees the gun - I'm busted (no guns within 1000' of a school, except for permit holders). Of course, nothing's perfect. If I have a permit I can walk across a campus with a gun and a permit, and I'm okay. But if I see someone hosing down students and staff with an Uzi and fire my weapon to halt the shootings, I go to prison. No mercy. But all in all, getting the permit is a good idea. And the safety training required to earn that permit is priceless, even if you never fire a weapon in your life. Enjoy the class and pass on what you learn to those who are interested, but not willing to attend one. More safety is better safety for all.:-D
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Christian Graus wrote:
I have the option of living in a country that's safer
But doesn't the natural life of Australia, as one writer put it, "harbor more things that can kill you in extremely nasty ways than anywhere else, including sharks, crocodiles, snakes..."
Anyone who thinks he has a better idea of what's good for people than people do is a swine. - P.J. O'Rourke
Yes, but we can run away from all of them pretty easily. If we spot them first, that is :D (except anything in the water. You're essentially swimming in someone elses refrigerator)
cheers, Chris Maunder
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brianwelsch wrote:
I think it's worth giving consideration to using it for defensive purposes
This is something I find scary. The last statistic I saw for the US was over 11,000 handgun deaths a year. Might I suggest you look up how many childtren are injured or killed by guns in the household. Elaine :rose:
I'm not sure which you find scary. The added possibility of an accident simply due to owning a gun, or the implication that I feel a handgun might be necessary for safety. In 36 years I have not been in a situation where I felt a handgun would have been beneficial. Based on that I have no reason to strongly believe the next 36 years will be any different. However, since I will have a handgun, and it's primary purpose is as a weapon, I think it's worthwhile to think of it for self-defense as well as sport. I rarely have children in my home, but you're right that I should do research on safety and educate myself on the cause of most accidents in the home.
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Quick to judge, quick to anger, slow to understand.
Ignorance and prejudice and fear walk hand in hand.
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I'm in the market for a handgun, but am still just learning about guns. I'm primarily interested in using it at the shooting range; however if I'm going to spend the money I think it's worth giving consideration to using it for defensive purposes. I will be getting a concealed weapons permit, so longer barreled pistols wouldn't be practical. I'm currently considering a double-action revolver over an automatic, for the reason of reliability and I think they look much cooler.:rolleyes: I'm interested in the Ruger GP100 (GP141)[^]. Anyone have/use one? Any suggestions on what to consider regarding caliber, brands, features, etc? Any differences between guns where cleaning is concerned? What should I look for regarding locking the gun (safety, trigger lock, etc)? Thanks.
BW
Quick to judge, quick to anger, slow to understand.
Ignorance and prejudice and fear walk hand in hand.
-- Neil PeartYou've asked a bunch of developers about what type of concealed weapon you should purchase. The answers you have received range from the practical, the flippant, to the ridiculous. That's not what disappoints me. What disappoints me is no one - no one - has attempted to discuss - will it come with a built in MP3 player or GPS? - will it be bluetooth compatible? - will it work with Vista? 64bit? What about driver support? - will it support the X10 protocol? - does it come with an SD card slot? - will it be compatible with other concealed weapons or will you tied to a single vendor's solution? - is it upgradable? Over the internet? Automatically? If a problem is found who long will it take for a fix to be made available? - what sort of belt clip will you be getting and will balance your pager, iPod, blackberry and leatherman tool on the other side? - Is the power supply world compatible or will you need to by a converter? - what colours are available?
cheers, Chris Maunder
CodeProject.com : C++ MVP
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You've had to face all those things ? Then I guess it's about the same.
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Yeah, when I was 8 I had to slowly wait for the rattle to stop before backing away. When in high school I found a scorpian in my shop class, put it in a jar and took it to my English class, which promptly put all the gals on their chairs. :) Black widows are just everywhere. A friend of mine gets bit all the time, but I never have. Guess they're not out to get me. :laugh:
This statement was never false.
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Yes, but we can run away from all of them pretty easily. If we spot them first, that is :D (except anything in the water. You're essentially swimming in someone elses refrigerator)
cheers, Chris Maunder
CodeProject.com : C++ MVP
Chris Maunder wrote:
You're essentially swimming in someone elses refrigerator
:laugh: Nicely put. :laugh:
This statement was never false.
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I'm not sure which you find scary. The added possibility of an accident simply due to owning a gun, or the implication that I feel a handgun might be necessary for safety. In 36 years I have not been in a situation where I felt a handgun would have been beneficial. Based on that I have no reason to strongly believe the next 36 years will be any different. However, since I will have a handgun, and it's primary purpose is as a weapon, I think it's worthwhile to think of it for self-defense as well as sport. I rarely have children in my home, but you're right that I should do research on safety and educate myself on the cause of most accidents in the home.
BW
Quick to judge, quick to anger, slow to understand.
Ignorance and prejudice and fear walk hand in hand.
-- Neil PeartWhat's the best defense technique? It isn't Karate, or any martial art. It isn't carrying a gun. It's avoiding the situation in the first place. Seems to me you're saying "I go to places that are dangerous enough for me to need a gun". Here's a suggestion. Forget the gun, and don't go to those places. How often will you carry it with you? All the time? Just when you know you're going somewhere dangerous? The last three questions aren't rhetorical, by the way. I'm genuinely interested in the answer.
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You've asked a bunch of developers about what type of concealed weapon you should purchase. The answers you have received range from the practical, the flippant, to the ridiculous. That's not what disappoints me. What disappoints me is no one - no one - has attempted to discuss - will it come with a built in MP3 player or GPS? - will it be bluetooth compatible? - will it work with Vista? 64bit? What about driver support? - will it support the X10 protocol? - does it come with an SD card slot? - will it be compatible with other concealed weapons or will you tied to a single vendor's solution? - is it upgradable? Over the internet? Automatically? If a problem is found who long will it take for a fix to be made available? - what sort of belt clip will you be getting and will balance your pager, iPod, blackberry and leatherman tool on the other side? - Is the power supply world compatible or will you need to by a converter? - what colours are available?
cheers, Chris Maunder
CodeProject.com : C++ MVP
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What's the best defense technique? It isn't Karate, or any martial art. It isn't carrying a gun. It's avoiding the situation in the first place. Seems to me you're saying "I go to places that are dangerous enough for me to need a gun". Here's a suggestion. Forget the gun, and don't go to those places. How often will you carry it with you? All the time? Just when you know you're going somewhere dangerous? The last three questions aren't rhetorical, by the way. I'm genuinely interested in the answer.
Graham Bradshaw wrote:
avoiding the situation in the first place.
Agreed. I have stated I've never needed one in the past 36 years, and have no reason to believe I will in the future. In another post I mentioned I probably wouldn't have the courage to carry the gun with me at all, at least that's how I feel right now. The primary reason for me to get one is really to go down to the range and shoot for sport. Since I'm buying one, though, I'm considering all uses. My consideration for carrying the gun as a concealed weapon, is that it's merely an option should I find the need arises for me carry one with me. In reality, I probably will never carry it with me.
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Yet another reason for mandatory national military service. I got my gun lust out of my system during my time in the Army and NG.
I just lost my lust to shoot at anything living. I'd rather take a bullet for someone than shoot at their attacker. I could not live with killing someone, be it justified or not. There is one single exception, though. If anyone physically abuses my sis or my niece, they are going down, and they are going down hard. I cannot really write what I would do, not here, but it would be in every newspaper around the globe, trust me on that.
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You've asked a bunch of developers about what type of concealed weapon you should purchase. The answers you have received range from the practical, the flippant, to the ridiculous. That's not what disappoints me. What disappoints me is no one - no one - has attempted to discuss - will it come with a built in MP3 player or GPS? - will it be bluetooth compatible? - will it work with Vista? 64bit? What about driver support? - will it support the X10 protocol? - does it come with an SD card slot? - will it be compatible with other concealed weapons or will you tied to a single vendor's solution? - is it upgradable? Over the internet? Automatically? If a problem is found who long will it take for a fix to be made available? - what sort of belt clip will you be getting and will balance your pager, iPod, blackberry and leatherman tool on the other side? - Is the power supply world compatible or will you need to by a converter? - what colours are available?
cheers, Chris Maunder
CodeProject.com : C++ MVP
:laugh: The X10 option would make for a sweet addition to the home. Maybe hook up a camera and some face recognition software. If the intruder isn't recognized from my database of friends and family, they get a warning and BAM! :rolleyes:
BW
Quick to judge, quick to anger, slow to understand.
Ignorance and prejudice and fear walk hand in hand.
-- Neil Peart -
I just lost my lust to shoot at anything living. I'd rather take a bullet for someone than shoot at their attacker. I could not live with killing someone, be it justified or not. There is one single exception, though. If anyone physically abuses my sis or my niece, they are going down, and they are going down hard. I cannot really write what I would do, not here, but it would be in every newspaper around the globe, trust me on that.
I really don't know if I could shoot someone. If it came down to someone physically harming me or my friends/family, I could. If someone was just robbing me. I'd probably shoot in the air to try to scare them off, but otherwise let the insurance company pay me back.
BW
Quick to judge, quick to anger, slow to understand.
Ignorance and prejudice and fear walk hand in hand.
-- Neil Peart -
You've asked a bunch of developers about what type of concealed weapon you should purchase. The answers you have received range from the practical, the flippant, to the ridiculous. That's not what disappoints me. What disappoints me is no one - no one - has attempted to discuss - will it come with a built in MP3 player or GPS? - will it be bluetooth compatible? - will it work with Vista? 64bit? What about driver support? - will it support the X10 protocol? - does it come with an SD card slot? - will it be compatible with other concealed weapons or will you tied to a single vendor's solution? - is it upgradable? Over the internet? Automatically? If a problem is found who long will it take for a fix to be made available? - what sort of belt clip will you be getting and will balance your pager, iPod, blackberry and leatherman tool on the other side? - Is the power supply world compatible or will you need to by a converter? - what colours are available?
cheers, Chris Maunder
CodeProject.com : C++ MVP
Easy, big boss: -Both, but they will be delivered in a later revision, and for just a small fee. -No. It will have a blue LED, though. -It will work with Microsoft Hasta La Vista and Apple "Make my Day Punk-Tiger". If he gets a revolver, 5/6 bit, up to 15 bits otherwise. It will support all drivers of pickups and beat-up minivans. -It will support emergency protocol, and thats about it. -Optional. Mandatory, if you buy the MP3/GPS Update. For a small fee. -Yes, the gun will support dual-carry. You only get the simultaneous-gunSLInger-option with two identical models. -Yes. Yes. Yes. 2 months. -The magazine can optionally take up to two pounds of lead (leaving out some bullets) for counter-weight. -It will work anywhere. Spare parts will only be available in Simbabwe and on the Easter Island, though. -Black, Semi-Black, Anthrazit, Dark-Black, Dark-Grey, Darker-Grey and Pink I hope I answered all your questions. Please, be safe and always follow our motto: If in doubt, shoot it out. ;)
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If you think that's scary, you should see the statistics on how many crimes are avoided because the intended victim had a gun and let it be seen! Apparently (and, I guess, not surprisingly) most criminals would rather not face armed victims, but instead prefer to prey on the helpless. It's over a million a year in the US alone, yet for some silly reason, even though I have guns and the required permits, I don't ever think to carry one. Sheesh...:doh:
"A Journey of a Thousand Rest Stops Begins with a Single Movement"
Well that whole martial arts thing kinda helps alleviate fear of not being able to handle a confrontation too. It's not exactly like you need a gun to defend yourself. Just mentioning that you're trained in a martial art is usually enough to cause someone to think twice about trying anything on you. At least, that's how it's happened in the few confrontations I've been in.