Atlantis return put off amid worry over safe re-entry

Lost User

Let's all pray to the Flying Spaghetti Monster that he touch the space shuttle with His Noodly Appendage and grant them a safe return.

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El Corazon

Dario Solera wrote:

It seems that only she (her?) is returning at this moment

only her, "of the ones Satips cares about." The full crew of the shuttle will most likely be returning, there is no finalized emergency plan to evac to the space-station. They could, but it would so over-burden oxygen and food (mostly oxygen and CO2 filters) that everyone could die anyhow. There are some emergency plans in place, but evac to minimal crew would take very careful planning and massive launches of cargo rockets as well as cooperation with another nation for the return of the evacuated crew -- since shuttles are all the USA has. Not impossible, but highly unlikely, especially given current international feelings toward the USA. That means a full, or nearly full shuttle will be returning, at some time. It has limited orbital capability and must come down eventually. It may mean that they land at Edwards, or White Sands Space Harbor, I haven't checked on the status of Edward's landing strip lately to know if there even is a choice. The primary reason for a change in return destination is the worst-case scenario, if there is a break up, they want it over the pacific. They cannot "wing it" on a glide-path from the west coast to the east coast. Entering atmosphere over New Mexico/Texas border means a similar break-up over highly populated Texas if the worst should happen.

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Jay_se

All the Indian friends probably very familiar with the Indian Originated Sunita Williams. All the national news papers in India were highlighted Sunitha Willams. Thats y, Satips may take some extra care on her (I believe). Anyway we have to pray for all.

Regards, Jay :)

NormDroid

:rolleyes::~

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NormDroid

Looks like it according to satips the web bot.

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El Corazon wrote:

It may mean that they land at Edwards, or White Sands Space Harbor, I haven't checked on the status of Edward's landing strip lately to know if there even is a choice. The primary reason for a change in return destination is the worst-case scenario, if there is a break up, they want it over the pacific. They cannot "wing it" on a glide-path from the west coast to the east coast. Entering atmosphere over New Mexico/Texas border means a similar break-up over highly populated Texas if the worst should happen.

Jeez, you have been researching:omg:

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Sathesh Sakthivel

Absolutely Jay. We have to Pray for all.

Regards, Satips.:rose:

El Corazon

norm .net wrote:

Jeez, you have been researching

No, close to the subject. I was requested to do some of the modelling of the break-up of the last shuttle. My phone hasn't rung yet, though the news I just checked on is more optimistic than Satips. The tear is going to be repaired. There is concern, though not as much as before. They do carry some tiles for refitting in space (now), which is not easy since most of the tiles are unique in size and shape. They are drawing up plans, which NASA does nothing without double and triple checking for "best" solution. In the case of the last shuttle disaster, there was no choice, no emergency plans, nothing that could assist in time, the "best" plan was the only plan: return. Now there are additional choices, they are, as NASA is fond of putting, "Working the problem."

_________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)

El Corazon

CleaKO wrote:

why I am of Scottish/German/English/Native American origin

Hienze 57 here.... I have a little of everything, including several tribes, though I am the only one in my family who doesn't find the presence of Native American ancestry an issue.

_________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)

Gary Kirkham

Wouldn't all the rest benefit from Sunitha's safe return?

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El Corazon

Mission STS-117: Expedition 15/16 Flight Engineer Clayton C. Anderson, mission specialists James Reilly II, Steven Swanson, Commander Frederick Sturckow, Pilot Lee Archambault and mission specialists Patrick Forrester and John D. Olivas. Frederick Sturckow, a Marine colonel, will command STS-117. The mission will deliver the second and third starboard truss segments (S3/S4) and another pair of solar arrays to the space station. Pilot Lee Archambault, an Air Force colonel, joins Sturckow in the Shuttle’s cockpit. Mission specialists James Reilly II, Ph.D., Patrick Forrester, Steven Swanson, Ph.D., and John D. Olivas, Ph.D., round out the crew. STS-117 is the 21st shuttle mission to the International Space Station. Expedition 15 Flight Engineer Sunita L. Williams will return to Earth from the space station aboard shuttle mission STS-117. That flight will carry Expedition 15/16 Flight Engineer Clayton C. Anderson to the station. He will return home aboard Discovery on mission STS-120.

_________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)

El Corazon

Gary Kirkham wrote:

Wouldn't all the rest benefit from Sunitha's safe return?

depends... theoretically, she could stay behind on the space station and wait for other transport, that means everyone else takes the risk instead of her.

_________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)

Gary Kirkham

As could they all.

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El Corazon

Sebastian Schneider wrote:

She will most definitely not be the only one onboard the shuttle. AFAIR, she is not qualified to land the shuttle.

Correct. The shuttle is a seven man crew. One of the crew will remain on the space station, she will return. The other six will be the same crew as launched. Seven up, Seven down, unless they kick in an emergency plan, though the latter is extremely unlikely.

_________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)

peterchen

Satips, it is considered impolite in many societies to show such a preference when it is a matter of life and death. You sound like "I don't care about the others, it's only importnat that MY friends come back". Also having lost one good man :rose: doesn't change things, it's like saying "now it's your turn to die". I guess you wouldn't like it when most people on this planet say "I don't care about Sunitha, as long as the others make it back safe". Do not forget that space travel is a joint effort. In space, we are from Earth, not from a country. (at least, that's the idea) btw. showing a small preference ("praying for Sunitha and all other members of the crew") is usually ok.

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El Corazon

Gary Kirkham wrote:

As could they all.

No, not likely. The space station is designed, as current materials, space, and oxygen allows for a standard 3-man crew. A fourth could stay, with a stretch. but for full evac, only the pilot and co-pilot returning, or heaven forbid an orbital ditch and all the crew 7+3 staying on board the space station would so overburden the current filtering and oxygen system as to need immediate international assistance for the USA. Given current feelings around the globe, the USA wouldn't risk it. Plus, since abandoning the shuttle for a lifeboat of the ISS, they would need international cooperation in just the decision to go life-boat ISS. Such a decision endangers not only the crew of the shuttle, but the remaining members of the ISS. Three or maybe four is a reasonably safe bet, eight on the ISS is dangerous, and ten would be nearly unthinkable. Oxygen consumption at three times normal rate, as well as CO2 filtering at three times normal rate. The ISS life-boat would be in danger the second the shuttle is dropped. ISS as a lifeboat **is** a plan that was considered, but so convoluted in international cooperation for it to work it was never fully followed through. It would be so caught up in red tape, the crew could easily be dead of CO2 poisoning long before an international decision could be made.

_________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)

El Corazon

well said all around.

_________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)

Lost User

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Lost User

5! She's american anyway ;P

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peterchen

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